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| VisceraEyes United States. May 30 2012 16:15. Posts 9682 | Profile Blog # |
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This should be good. Rereading now. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 30 2012 16:18. Posts 9682 | Profile Blog # |
MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it?
##Vote: Kitaman27
Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 30 2012 16:26. Posts 9682 | Profile Blog # |
Kitaman's entire case against me is that I've been actively pushing mafia objectives. I wonder what those motivations are. He's got an issue with the fact that I didn't want Toad elected, however he says himself one of his very first posts:
On May 28 2012 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm, mason would be a great claim for a lyncher. Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth on day two since he's already won by then.
As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town.
What's funny about the whole thing is that his alignment was not a factor to me. Obviously I want town to occupy the role, but my entire contention with Toad in the role was the fact that a mason who's not aware of his partner's alignment is automatically more prone to manipulation. Simply because only Toad reads it, if he's in contact with scum then they're 100% guaranteed to manipulate his use of whatever power he gains by being elected.
The reason I hadn't voted for kitaman is because I wanted to see if MZ voted for him today. He expressed suspicion of him yesterday and I wanted to see if he meant it come dawn. Apparently he didn't, so I'm pushing this one alone. I'm going to make a full case, but I wanted to briefly address the points against me.
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 30 2012 16:48. Posts 9682 | Profile Blog # |
Kita's response to my first post about him contains some pretty subtle things I wanted to point out.
On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher?
-_-
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
My point is, this is the sole purpose of Kita's post endorsing "someone random". By that logic also, it seems Kitaman isn't concerned about electing a TOWNIE into the position, it seems his only inspiration is to "avoid electing the Lyncher".
lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. I still feel its optimal to elect someone who didn't declare their candidacy in the first 24 hours, but Hyaach doesn't have nearly enough posts to warrent being elected. I'll have to decide tomorrow between the candidates. You mentioned earlier that I'm not interested in being elected, which is untrue. I would be perfectly content with being mayor.
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Again...something I found odd was Kita's insistence that we end discussion on the topic of Toad being elected Vice Leader. First of all, if anything was distracting it was whether the role is useless or not. But that's not the point that Kitaman chose to end on...he wanted the discussion of who is Vice-Leader to be over, and he wanted the conclusion to be that Toad is elected.
I'm not sure what is so strange to you. Toad role claims mason, which means he is either a lyncher or a mason. Therefore, we elect him as pardoner where he can do no harm and benefit town by denying the role that shortens the game by one cycle. Seems like a completely reasonable conclusion to me. Do you disagree that Toad should be elected?
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 15:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah VE I'd be down for a sinensis lynch. If we went for him I'd write up a proper analysis and shit but I think it's fairly obvious from the past several pages why he has to go.
Humor us? Too tired to re-read the thread tonight. Tomorrow I'll have to give my thoughts about the lynch.
First, his response to my first question was inadequate...for all we know, once the Lyncher achieves the Lyncher's objectives, the Lyncher leaves the game. I know it's not expressly written as such in the OP, but it makes sense that if a lynch can happen D1 then the Lyncher can win D1 and no one wants to play a game that can end before N1. It makes sense to assume that even given perfect Lyncher conditions, the game can still be played. But the point that I was trying to make (and the point that Kitaman fails STILL to explain) is why he's SO FOCUSED ON THE LYNCHER. He doesn't respond in this post except for ._. or whatever.
Look at the red bolded statement. In context, it appears that he's trying to make it seem as if I'm trying to skirt around calling him scummy...yet this entire post he's responding to is about him and it's clear that I find him suspicious. That's the key here - it's not "skirting around calling someone scum" when it's clear that you're suspicious of them. My use of the word odd WAS meant to imply scummy, but the fact that he questions me about that makes it seem as though I intentionally avoided calling him scummy when in fact it wasn't necessary for me to do so. Subtle, yet effective.
Now look at the blue italicized statement. Again, he asks a needless question for a specific purpose. I've gone on and on at this point that I absolutely do NOT want Toad elected to any position...but Kitaman specifically asks me this question "Do you disagree that Toad should be elected?" to A) make it appear that town consensus is that Toad should be elected (it was not) and B) make me out to be scummy for disagreeing. I know this, because if he were town and suspicious of me he would have read my posts and realized that I didn't want Toad elected, and would not have asked me this question. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 30 2012 17:12. Posts 9682 | Profile Blog # |
GOD DAMNIT
There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher.
##Unvote
Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 30 2012 17:26. Posts 9682 | Profile Blog # |
I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed.
##Vote: Gambit
Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town.
Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live.
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 30 2012 18:35. Posts 7931 | Profile Blog # |
On May 30 2012 14:37 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On May 30 2012 14:13 Mattchew wrote:
On May 30 2012 14:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 30 2012 09:00 strongandbig wrote:
Could Mattchew have been a vig shot? MZ and Foru make way more sense as scum kills but Mattchew doesn't make any sense there.
This post to me seems to display no indication of knowledge of the night kills, just that your shot claim doesn't make sense as a scum one.
and yours does? + Show Spoiler [WBG Filter Pre-night] +
On May 30 2012 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Catching up right now.
If anyone needs anything specific let me know, but it'll be a couple hours at the least before I can respond.
On May 30 2012 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:why I love supersoft
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 22:58 supersoft wrote:
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF TOADESSTERN :D
my thoughts exactly whenever I read his posts LOL I come across first Toad post = oh god wtf
On May 30 2012 06:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Is there a particular reason Gambitx32 wasn't warned or replaced for not voting? I ctrl-f'd his name in greymist's filter and didn't find anything there either.
I have a scumread on him based on his only two posts in the thread. Both of his posts are massive walls of summarizing nothing. He also asks
On May 30 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh wtf it cut off.
He asks a bunch of people to state who they're going to vote and stuff but he doesn't vote himself.
Why has no one questioned you about your claimed hit? He knew I was not hit by mafia, so he wanted to out the vig that shot me because thats what scum do when they don't know everything. They try to find it out
Matt, I think you're grasping a bit here, and I disagree. Strongandbig wasn't asking for the vig to claim, he was just asking the thread if they thought you made sense as a vig shot. Frankly, you'd be a confusing mafia shot, since you hadn't done much in the thread, and people were suspicious of you. WBG on the other hand, may have been shot for bringing up a lurker who was scum (gambit), or he could have been shot on reputation alone to kill a vet when he'd be more unlikely to have protection or make an impact on the game. So, it makes sense to me for strongandbig to question your hit, since it didn't make much sense for scum to hit you. It made more sense for a vig to hit you. I don't think you can use that post as a point against him. Right now I'm trying to determine who I think is scummiest/want to lynch from kitaman/supersoft/zealos/gambit.
God hindsight is 20/20 in this thread... Obviously now that people know I wasn't actually hit its super easy to say "omg you weren't a scum target thats so obvi duhhh" but before all the other hit claims no one said this except ET and SnB. And ET did not discount that scum shot me, he just expressed interest in it
man are you dumb? That was 90% of the reason I was calling you scum. Both SnB and I thought the hit claim you were claiming had to either be a lie or a vig hit. Obviously there was no way scum would shoot you.
Lying about it makes no sense as town, because you get situations like these. Now let's move on.
We lynch gambit man, since he still hasn't appeared and his first two posts are still the same shit they were the last time I read them.
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| supersoft Germany. May 30 2012 18:38. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 09:51 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew what do you think about WBG's observation about Gambit?
It could be true... It also could be shooting a solid vet before he has the chance to make reads... I think gambit needs to die
that was the first thing that popped into my mind when i read wbgs logic. as scum i'd shoot wbg instantly...
i am going to look at the facts later. got university right now |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 30 2012 20:33. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shut up Toad you're not worth a mafia bullet. You cause so much disruption regardless of alignment it's no wonder everyone calls you hypnotoad.
We kill gambit man today. He ninja voted ET yesterday and he's said nothing. Eat shit and die, scum.
##vote Gambitx32
that guy is town. Don't want to lynch town sorry |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 30 2012 21:31. Posts 11366 | Profile # |
Holy shit this thread moves fast.
Firstly, VE: </3
On strongandbig: I'm not seeing it. His filter reads to me as open, willing and earnest. He tried very hard to back down from an argument with BH in order to not shit up the thread (not helped by BH). I have almost no confidence that Matt's narrative that snb 'fell into his trap' is correct.
On kita's case on VE: don't really see this either. VE is distinctly less argumentative than normal and this is promoting a good town atmosphere. Probulous agreed that the 2nd half of kita's case was more damning/suspicious, with VE having unfounded confidence in his reads at the time. Like, do you people read VE's games? This is a common occurrence, both as scum and town. Totally alignment unindicative.
I'm picking out this post from among the detritus because it was shouted down/ignored by the vets posting at the time:
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On May 30 2012 10:27 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
So he should live because he voted?
The fuck kind of defense is that?
The nonexistent kind? I'm not defending him. I bring up the vote because:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 06:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Is there a particular reason Gambitx32 wasn't warned or replaced for not voting? I ctrl-f'd his name in greymist's filter and didn't find anything there either.
I have a scumread on him based on his only two posts in the thread. Both of his posts are massive walls of summarizing nothing. He also asks
You brought up the no-vote in your initial 2 posts when you mentioned him. To the extent that the no-vote factored into your read, the read was off, but you may have been more focused on the crappy posting, in which case the no-vote is entirely irrelevant. Again, I'm not trying to defend Gambit here, I'm trying to see your reasoning. Why him over - Zealos, who everyone finds scummy and is less likely to be modkilled
- cwave, whose sole contribution has been
On May 28 2012 15:45 Cwave wrote:
Ah it started! Catching up.
- phagga, whose sole contribution has been
On May 28 2012 08:19 phagga wrote:
Not through the complete thread yet, will catch up later.
I'm against a policy lynch, as I think everyone should get the chance to improve. I don't like how Toadesstern claimed, and feel against voting him therefore. He is either throwing away his blue role or fakeclaiming to get the major. Both is bad.
I like Mr. Wiggles reasoning, he looks like a good candidate. The other interesting option is ET, but I will have to read through his filter again to feel more sure.
Mr. Wiggles and ET, do you already have some candidates for your lynch?
Plenty of valid questions/points. Particularly it points out this:
On May 28 2012 08:19 phagga wrote:
Not through the complete thread yet, will catch up later.
I'm against a policy lynch, as I think everyone should get the chance to improve. I don't like how Toadesstern claimed, and feel against voting him therefore. He is either throwing away his blue role or fakeclaiming to get the major. Both is bad.
I like Mr. Wiggles reasoning, he looks like a good candidate. The other interesting option is ET, but I will have to read through his filter again to feel more sure.
Mr. Wiggles and ET, do you already have some candidates for your lynch?
Especially to the bold: he will catch up on the thread later. This was 2.5 days ago. People are merrily lynching Gambit because of 2 bad posts and ignoring phagga who makes a similar non-post but with only ONE post AND a promise to catch up later that went unfulfilled.
Overall I think phagga and Gambit make quite good lynches for today. But I am most confident in a Zealos lynch still. Everything he posts says scum to me, and I am confident in my ability to read him. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 30 2012 21:38. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
I'd like to lynch into a vet for the reason Kenpachi has mentioned although my vet list is a little bit reduced.
That being said I'd still love to lynch kita. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 30 2012 21:41. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
| Hey Gambit could you do me a favor and tell me the name of the character you are? Just the name, no need for role or something like that. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 30 2012 21:51. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 30 2012 18:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:37 Mattchew wrote:
On May 30 2012 14:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On May 30 2012 14:13 Mattchew wrote:
On May 30 2012 14:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 30 2012 09:00 strongandbig wrote:
Could Mattchew have been a vig shot? MZ and Foru make way more sense as scum kills but Mattchew doesn't make any sense there.
This post to me seems to display no indication of knowledge of the night kills, just that your shot claim doesn't make sense as a scum one.
and yours does? + Show Spoiler [WBG Filter Pre-night] +
On May 30 2012 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Catching up right now.
If anyone needs anything specific let me know, but it'll be a couple hours at the least before I can respond.
On May 30 2012 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:why I love supersoft
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 22:58 supersoft wrote:
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF TOADESSTERN :D
my thoughts exactly whenever I read his posts LOL I come across first Toad post = oh god wtf
On May 30 2012 06:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Is there a particular reason Gambitx32 wasn't warned or replaced for not voting? I ctrl-f'd his name in greymist's filter and didn't find anything there either.
I have a scumread on him based on his only two posts in the thread. Both of his posts are massive walls of summarizing nothing. He also asks
On May 30 2012 06:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh wtf it cut off.
He asks a bunch of people to state who they're going to vote and stuff but he doesn't vote himself.
Why has no one questioned you about your claimed hit? He knew I was not hit by mafia, so he wanted to out the vig that shot me because thats what scum do when they don't know everything. They try to find it out
Matt, I think you're grasping a bit here, and I disagree. Strongandbig wasn't asking for the vig to claim, he was just asking the thread if they thought you made sense as a vig shot. Frankly, you'd be a confusing mafia shot, since you hadn't done much in the thread, and people were suspicious of you. WBG on the other hand, may have been shot for bringing up a lurker who was scum (gambit), or he could have been shot on reputation alone to kill a vet when he'd be more unlikely to have protection or make an impact on the game. So, it makes sense to me for strongandbig to question your hit, since it didn't make much sense for scum to hit you. It made more sense for a vig to hit you. I don't think you can use that post as a point against him. Right now I'm trying to determine who I think is scummiest/want to lynch from kitaman/supersoft/zealos/gambit.
God hindsight is 20/20 in this thread... Obviously now that people know I wasn't actually hit its super easy to say "omg you weren't a scum target thats so obvi duhhh" but before all the other hit claims no one said this except ET and SnB. And ET did not discount that scum shot me, he just expressed interest in it
man are you dumb? That was 90% of the reason I was calling you scum. Both SnB and I thought the hit claim you were claiming had to either be a lie or a vig hit. Obviously there was no way scum would shoot you. Lying about it makes no sense as town, because you get situations like these. Now let's move on. We lynch gambit man, since he still hasn't appeared and his first two posts are still the same shit they were the last time I read them.
Man are you dumb? You knew that you were the 3rd hit thus making me the 4th claimed hit from 3 scum kp... Snb DID NOT have this same info (from the thread atleast) and yet came to the same conclusion
If lying makes no sense as town are you calling me scum? |
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| supersoft Germany. May 30 2012 22:26. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 21:41 Toadesstern wrote:
Hey Gambit could you do me a favor and tell me the name of the character you are? Just the name, no need for role or something like that.
don't act so mysterous... |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 30 2012 22:30. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 22:26 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 21:41 Toadesstern wrote:
Hey Gambit could you do me a favor and tell me the name of the character you are? Just the name, no need for role or something like that.
don't act so mysterous...
I'm not acting mysterous. I think the guy is town for one huge town-tell he did. I just want to know his name on top of that. |
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| supersoft Germany. May 30 2012 22:45. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
okay how many people took bullets?
MZ took a hit
wherebugsgo took a hit
both of them were saved. Forumite took a hit aswell. Vigs who shot one of them must claim now.
On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys... I wasn't shot... But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win
this is so strange. Might be scum panicking after he saw that no townplayer died.
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i need to figure some things out.
"Regarding Sines: I understand that from what you and BH have said, you have a lot of emotion and reason for frustration. But as BH has admitted, grush appears to be trying to be more useful. It is highly dangerous to suggest that lynching someone for past instance and who at this point hasn't proven scummy is better than letting them live --- this kind of lynch you are pushing would hurt us; we should lynch scummy behavior not past bad behavior. Until a player starts aggressively spamming scummy distraction/nonsense, do not suggest they are more harmful alive than dead.
Ironically, I believe so far Sines has been more harmful than grush."
yeah that carefully accusing/lynchpushing is scummy...
However he's a lynch not providing much information about other players.
I want to have a second look into wiggles and zealos. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 30 2012 22:48. Posts 6103 | Profile # | |
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| strongandbig United States. May 30 2012 23:02. Posts 3207 | Profile Blog # |
@probulous:
Here's the reason I wanted toad to say something about this claimed anti manipulation power. When you're dealing with a nonstandard power, and when you're dealing with greymist, role does not always equal alignment.
Since I have trouble imagining how this power would work, I have trouble believing it. It still feels to me like toad was lying to get elected mayor.
That said, I understand that revealing how it works could make it less useful if toad at some point masons a scum or someone he thinks is scummy. So what about this: toad, when you get a mason buddy who you're like 100% sure is town, could you explain this thing to them and they could tell the thread whether they believe you?
Also, toad, why did you claim when you did? If the answer is just "to become mayor," then why did you want to be mayor so badly? |
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| Toadesstern Germany. May 30 2012 23:05. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 23:02 strongandbig wrote:
@probulous:
Here's the reason I wanted toad to say something about this claimed anti manipulation power. When you're dealing with a nonstandard power, and when you're dealing with greymist, role does not always equal alignment.
Since I have trouble imagining how this power would work, I have trouble believing it. It still feels to me like toad was lying to get elected mayor.
That said, I understand that revealing how it works could make it less useful if toad at some point masons a scum or someone he thinks is scummy. So what about this: toad, when you get a mason buddy who you're like 100% sure is town, could you explain this thing to them and they could tell the thread whether they believe you?
Also, toad, why did you claim when you did? If the answer is just "to become mayor," then why did you want to be mayor so badly?
I already explained it to MZ and I told him to not tell you. Don't know if he has read it yet.
And yeah it was only to be mayor because I was really certain that I can lynch into mafia d1 ezpz, but you didn't trust me. Shame on you. Now we've got wiggles who lynched into that sin-guy. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 30 2012 23:06. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 30 2012 23:02 strongandbig wrote:
@probulous:
Here's the reason I wanted toad to say something about this claimed anti manipulation power. When you're dealing with a nonstandard power, and when you're dealing with greymist, role does not always equal alignment.
Since I have trouble imagining how this power would work, I have trouble believing it. It still feels to me like toad was lying to get elected mayor.
That said, I understand that revealing how it works could make it less useful if toad at some point masons a scum or someone he thinks is scummy. So what about this: toad, when you get a mason buddy who you're like 100% sure is town, could you explain this thing to them and they could tell the thread whether they believe you?
Also, toad, why did you claim when you did? If the answer is just "to become mayor," then why did you want to be mayor so badly?
a. the roles are in the OP and are all alignment assigned
b. how is toad lying if MZ confirmed him? are they both scum?
c. I would bet that he claimed to become mayor because he is town. I don't see why he needs further explanation, it is a role of power that decides day 1's lynch
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