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On May 28 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote: and for the first update (although I'm only on page now and I'm trippleposting): ET seems like a decent lynch right now, but nowhere clear on that one yet. What suspicions do you have about ET? | ||
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On May 28 2012 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Also please be aware: this is exactly the same type of play that sandroba made in C9++ that Toadess cohosted. Sandroba flipped Mason because he's baus and the situation was relevant for that game...the situation is totally different here, because if I'm understanding Toad correctly, he CHOOSES who he masons with. This is huge because what if he chooses Mafia and he's town? Obviously the scum would go along with Toad's claim and "confirm" him, but imagine the implications. Toad is using the Mason mechanic, which actually WAS alignment-relevant in C9++, as a means to "confirm" him, not the other players. But that makes you put trust in who he masons with too, whether consciously or not, just by virtue of him being in contact with "modconfirmed Toad". This role is not one that I want in possession of any additional power. I do not want Toad to be Leader or Vice-Leader. The chance for manipulation is too great. It seems unreasonable denounce Toad. based on that since as long as you make an effort to remember that fact it won't really matter. | ||
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On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote: I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute. Why would you claim if you think you're going to die n1? It's a waste of a useful mason power to possibly get 1 mafia lynched. It seems you could have used the mason role a lot more effectively by not claiming. Also, you have no advantage over other candidates in finding mafia so I don't see why you were so eager to be mayor that you role claimed. You'll probably say you wanted to ensure mayor was town but given the ratio of town to mafia and the fact that people won't vote for players they think are scum the mayor would probably be town anyways. Furthermore, as mentioned earlier, mafia might not even be running for the mayor position due to there being no bodyguards. | ||
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On May 28 2012 08:52 Toadesstern wrote: I think I would have been shot either way, which was the reason for the claim. I intended to claim n1 in case of surviving n1 but once people said (hey there SS) they're running for mayor on the base of lynching me I thought screw this it's not a big deal anyways. I'd say I'm within the top3 or top5 guys that are likely to be shoot at night. Considering that there's AT LEAST 4 KP around on n1 and that I probably won't get protection over people like wiggles or VE I'd say I'm dead either way. That's still no reason to heighten the chance that a useful town role would be lost. Why not wait and see if you survive and use all your background history of being a great scum reader to move the lynch in favour of who you think is scum? Your role claim makes little sense for town. I suspect ulterior motives. | ||
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On May 28 2012 12:57 Sinensis wrote: How about this, you find me a confirmed mafia and I will happily support their lynch instead of grush's. Hear that mafia? Go ahead and reveal yourselves now. -_-... Don't be pedantic. I meant that if there is a target generally thought to be mafia would you lynch them. | ||
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On May 28 2012 13:30 Sinensis wrote: EBWOP: Or we could wait for some weak quoted post-by-post anaylsis, based on the the ZERO facts present, and lynch based off that. I agree with you that there will probably be no strong scum read first day, I just wanted clarification about your stance on it if there were. | ||
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On May 28 2012 13:34 Sinensis wrote: Must be dumb then if those are my only two options. So what makes my post a red herring other than that I compared grush and wiggles, which I didn't do in the first place? Using the word "than" pretty much makes it a comparison. Meapak what do you mean by the post was a red herring? As far as I can see he wasn't trying to lead anybody to false conclusions, just saying he would ensure that a bad townie such as Grush was lynched instead of possibly a good townie. | ||
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On May 28 2012 13:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @Maju, see my last post. What's the issue its drawing attention away from though. I don't see him mentioning Wiggles as an issue at all, wiggles was probably just the first example of a good townie that he thought of. | ||
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On May 29 2012 05:54 Sinensis wrote: I honestly think grush is still the best target. I don't know where all this useful play people keep talking about is happening. All I have seen him do is count lurkers to make his contentless posts seem more substantial. I would be pretty sad if we lost someone who is actually posting when grush could have been in their place. I think it is suspicious that BlazingHand isn't still pushing for a grush vote too. This is something I think he would do if he was town, especially since grush hasn't really mentioned being targeted yet. BlazingHand has a reputation for pushing people until they just stop responding. Instead he backed off just as soon as I started to get attention for it. So, not changing my vote. By your logic any of the many lurkers would be a better lynch than grush. | ||
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I disagree with you on BH's early actions. As BH was running for mayor it makes complete sense for him to try to prove to everyone that he will post constructively and not spam. Though he may have gotten overly engrossed in it I hardly see it as signs of being suspicious. It's not even as if he was responding to accusations of being scummy, just accusations of being a poor poster. | ||
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On May 30 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote: I'm being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(. There have been rumors, starting in LIV. That I have, mystical powers. They rarely unleash. This, is a special case. (LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT) You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right 1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts. 2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better. 3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit. 4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol. 5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos. 6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town. Okay so I did all this in TL (LOL I KNOW) and the thread has probably progressed alot as this took like 20-30 mins to write. Please note I am unsure about the 6th mafia. Oh, and a lot of the bad grammar was on purpose. I agree with others opinions on Wiggles in that his lynch wasn't the best choice but calling someone scum for having posts that are too long is ridiculous. Having a filter a page long isn't too bad as long as the posts have content as Wiggles seem to. Plus wiggles still has more posts than most people anyways. He's not really indecisive either, he had two ideas on who to lynch for day one and so far day 2 has barely started. | ||
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On May 30 2012 13:36 strongandbig wrote: Can we at least wait until stofu posts fucking anything before we start accusing me of bussing shit? I looked through majujubees' filters in this, holy roman, and the SNMM he was in. I have the same question for him as I did for stofu: majuju, pls commit to a read. Who do you think is scum and why. I agree with what has been said about Zealos and Gambit but between the two at this point I would rather vote Zealos because as mentioned previously his lynching would result in more information. I don't really see a point in making a case on these two as essentially all of their posts have been examined earlier. I also am suspicious of stofu. + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 14:38 sToFu wrote: I'm still in high school, so my hours of replies will generally be limited to ~4pm to ~12am PST, minus activities and homework. As a note: I'm fairly slow to give out a “scum judgment”, so I'll be indicating my degrees of trust. Also, everything is off the top of my head, so I probably missed things while skimming. I'd greatly appreciate being corrected if I say something blatantly wrong about a player (ie saying doesn't post at all when they did multiple times). Finally, I'm grouping people into general activity levels, seperating notable people. My judgments for each individual are obviously different, but not significant enough to make a difference in posting. Mattchew, hassybaby, phagga, Alderan, Cwave, GambitX32, MajuGarzett, MidnightGladius, papapanda, FrimTofu, meeple: They may or may not have posted, but I honestly can't say I remember anything said by these players (that was of any significance). No judgement. Sinensis – To be honest, I was ~70% confident that he was scum, and on my initial read through the thread, I read all his posts under the assumption that what he was saying was from the perspective of an invader. This probably resulted in slight changes in my perception of him and everyone that he commented on. What essentially damned him for me was his insistence on the lynching of grush, even after noticeable improvements. Hyaach, austinmcc – Nothing of note (off the top of my head). I do like that they are posting. No real judgement. Grush57 – Could have been policy lynched: promptly cleans up his act. I have a nagging feeling about him, but there's no solid argument that can be made about him. Zealos, jaj22, Forumite, MZ, VE – Neutral to town reads on all of these, with varying strength. Notably, VE and MZ have been quite forthright about their viewpoints, while Zealos and Forumite have been slightly more diplomatic. I do like that jaj22 is calling people out on broken promises. For Manason... I honestly can't remember much about him, though he (probably) belongs with this group. Kenpachi, Manason – Sorry, can't remember anything. I do know you two have been fairly active. Kita – For some reason, all I can really remember off the top of my head is odd and convoluted “analysis” and, after being pressured, a couple one-liners and no real response. I'll have to review those sections more carefully. ET – Even if his “we should all talk, including the noobies” spiel was most likely a PR move in order to appeal to the (apparently) large base of new players in this game, it is nevertheless an important point to make. I do like the fact that in his early argument with BH, he didn't get too emotional or involved. As others have said, I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see him flip scum, but, at the same time, I believe that he is, by virtue of his actions, more likely to be town. This is reflected in my thought process in my vote post. Wiggles – Doing a lot right, not a lot wrong. Can't say much aside from strong town feeling, as reflected in my vote. However, he's being a little too diplomatic, which I find discomforting. BH – I'm not going to lie, your early tirade and fight against SnB and ET, as well as your early insistence of grush lynch, have appeared extremely suspicious. On the other hand, your newer actions reflect Toad, ss, snb – I dislike, but understand, snb's cessation of activity after his early fight with BH and the shadiness of his campaign for pardoner. While I understand and agree with the arguments against him, I can't help but think he deserves at least more time to provide better insight into his actual allegiance. Toad, ss – that awkward couple that keeps trying to keep dissociating (probably the wrong word :/) themselves from one another but can't seem to do it. Leaning scum. If you want a more detailed analysis on any one person, I'd be happy to do it tomorrow (too much homework left undone over Vet's weekend). On May 29 2012 16:50 sToFu wrote: I agree with that. Rereading my post, I realize that I didn't properly convey my thoughts nor detail them correctly. I agree with you in that his actions make sense. I apparently didn't finish my description of him, but it essentially says that I understood that he became emotional and that I wasn't taking that much meaning out of it besides suspicion. The reason I felt it suspicious was two-fold: first of all, it felt as if he were overreacting greatly to fairly minor accusations, something in my (outside) experience more often than not attributed to members of the mafia. I feel as if he jumped on SnB to prove a point - that he is capable of rooting out scum - but in the process became engrossed As for Toad, his posting history is shady - no one can deny that - and, in my rush to finish the summary, failed to say that I believe toad is lyncher (as I did in my previous post). That said, I believe that he's fairly innocuous and that his role claim of mason allows us to give him the benefit of the doubt until his "special mason" powers allows us discover his actual alignment. Last thing: For me, intuition is only the method with which I choose to read more carefully into actions. If my intuition leads me to believe I have a new/different case, then I will be relying much more heavily on reason and actual post histories than on first impressions made from a single skim through the thread. His responses to my prodding shown here were rather unsatisfactory. On May 29 2012 15:06 MajuGarzett wrote: Why do you lean scum on Toad? He may not be town but it seems very unlikely he would be mafia after his claim of being mason which is easily proved and probably will be soon. Your intuition also seems to be giving you some weird reads. You say you find wiggles diplomacy discomforting but the diplomacy of Zealos and Forumite doesn't worry you at all. The nagging feeling about Grush makes no sense if you think he's trying to be a helpful townie. Even if there's no solid argument could you explain why you feel that way about him? I disagree with you on BH's early actions. As BH was running for mayor it makes complete sense for him to try to prove to everyone that he will post constructively and not spam. Though he may have gotten overly engrossed in it I hardly see it as signs of being suspicious. It's not even as if he was responding to accusations of being scummy, just accusations of being a poor poster. He passes off some of the questionable suspicions with "I follow my intuition" which I feel isn't a particularly good metric for the rooting out of scum. His opinion on toad apparently groundlessly changed from lyncher to scum and stofu said that he just forgot to write that he felt toad was scum in the long listing post. This is odd as the post would then say both that he felt toad was lyncher and that he felt toad was scum. It was also strange that he forgets to mention what was by far the most widely held opinion of Toad and something that had been brought up many times throughout the thread. It seemed to me that Stofu was trying to find people to create suspicion about but did not choose his targets wisely and did no think through his post. As of now I would vote Zealos but as there is much time until day's end I will wait to cast my vote. | ||
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Can someon explain how this was supposed to be a breadcrumb? | ||
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