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| Mambo Denmark. May 11 2012 02:27. Posts 717 | Profile # |
Oh noes:S To me Thorzain = Mousesport
But his choice ill stay fanboy...Last edit: 2012-05-11 02:28:28 |
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| takingbackoj United States. May 11 2012 02:28. Posts 490 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 23:04 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 20:31 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 10 2012 20:14 mcc wrote:
On May 10 2012 20:07 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 10 2012 20:04 mcc wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 10 2012 18:15 Velr wrote:
I don't see any upset people?
I just see a rich team buying another player from a poorer, which in about any sport I know happens and is not exactly "liked" by just about anyone except the fanbase of the rich team?
In the case of EG it's just hilarious that they still lack the result although their whole roster consists of... the most expensive players there are/were at the time of the purchase?... They probably should just ask the teamleagues to sell them the trophy directly :D...
The real important questions are:
Has Thorzain yet recieved his life long stock of Muscle Shirts (which look terrible and as a sponsor i would prohibit my players wearing them in front of a camre) and his oversized cup to drink ugly looking protein(?) shakes AND most important his beard.
EG lacks results? They have better results than any other foreign team. They've won MLGs, IEMs, NASL and have had top 3's at many of those tournaments as well. Team Leagues are secondary. GSTL is the only one that really matters. The rest are online. I'm sorry, but online competition is just, its not fair. Outside of Thorzain, what tournaments were the rest of Mouz winning?
They are not really foreign team or rather that distinction is meaningless now with Koreans being on nearly every roster. So you comparing them with foreign teams only is not really fair. You should compare them with all (but mostly Korean) teams. As for which "foreign" team can be compared to them. I would say 3 code S players are better than 0 and 2 code S Ro8 contenders are also rather better than what EG has achieved. I hope you know which team I am alluding to.
Ya not Mouz.
And ?
On page 871 you say "If I had best interest if ThorZain in mind, I would say EG offer was bad for him. He should have quit SC2 as quickly as possible and go back to school. But my opinion is based purely on this move ruining my favourite team. And of course on my eternal hatred for everything related to EG." Your favorite team is implied to be mouz. I bet you didn't flame them when Thorzain was with them. Also on page 958 you say "If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports." This is probably the most pretentious and ignorant thing I have ever heard any human being say. Ignoring the fact that you think you know whats best for people you don't know personally, and ignoring the fact that the statement "And I couldn't care less about esports." directly goes against your previous statement of having a favorite SC2 pro team and being emotionally invested enough to have an eternal hatred of another, if you really had Thorzains best interest in mind you would want him to be happy with what he does in life and have enough respect for him as a person to not imply you know whats best for him. You are not bright.
Lets start with, what does that have to do with the discussion I had with jmbthirteen about whether EG is the best foreign team ? Your response have no relation to that. That is why I responded with "And ?". If you have problem with what I said in post on page XXX, quote the relevant post. Do not quote completely unrelated one with completely unrelated response. Now for your arguments. There is nothing contradictory about me not caring about esports and having emotional investment in teams. I can easily not care if esports dies or not and yet be emotionally invested in teams or players. They are not the same thing. Not even mentioning that teams (not pro, but still teams) can exist without professional esports. If you quoted the posts you would also notice the context which would be helpful so you do not make completely irrelevant remarks like last part of your post.
Are you insane? Really. You're attempting to sound like you're educated but not only have you not made a point throughout this whole thread but you also sound insane. How can you possibly not care about E-sports yet have a favorite team? How? I don't get how that works. Why are you even posting in this thread if you don't care about E-sports? Why? And do you seriously, like no joke, think that Thorzain is some brain dead idiot who can't make decisions for himself? Do you seriously think you know whats better for Thorzain then Thorzain? Really? Make 1 valid point. Instead of trying to sound smart, be smart. You sound like a completely insane idiot. Hes a 21 year old grown man. Let me burst your insane bubble, you don't know everything. In fact, if you really believe in the stuff you have been spewing in this thread, get help, fast. |
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| Pantera Germany. May 11 2012 02:28. Posts 4 | Profile # |
| Awesome! EG.Thorzain Fighting!!! :D |
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| Vildhjarta Sweden. May 11 2012 02:30. Posts 121 | Profile # |
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| Resilient United Kingdom. May 11 2012 02:35. Posts 1189 | Profile # |
I love watching mouz and respect them for sticking by their non-Korean talent, but I'm happy Thorzain moved. EG has the financial clout to provide a player with the best training facilities and conditions.
Best of luck to both parties. |
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| tMomiji United States. May 11 2012 02:37. Posts 1115 | Profile Blog # |
Um. Well.
That came right the -bleep- out of nowhere. -still floored- |
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| Elroi Sweden. May 11 2012 02:38. Posts 3892 | Profile # |
Ah crap  |
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| jmbthirteen United States. May 11 2012 02:38. Posts 9616 | Profile Blog # |
On May 11 2012 01:30 altered wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:55 convention wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:46 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:36 Klonere wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol
He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team.
Seriously that video was hilarious, and in general he is one of the more entertaining casters/personalities out there. Plus as long as he keeps attempting to be a pro-gamer, his casting analysis will at least still be of a top caliber.
InControl has one of the best return of investment of all progamers. He gives so much publicity to his sponsors.
When i think about it, Incontrol is the Anna Kournikova of eSports <3
geoff is way better looking though |
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| Venomsflame United States. May 11 2012 02:41. Posts 509 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 02:38 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 01:30 altered wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:55 convention wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:46 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:36 Klonere wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol
He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team.
Seriously that video was hilarious, and in general he is one of the more entertaining casters/personalities out there. Plus as long as he keeps attempting to be a pro-gamer, his casting analysis will at least still be of a top caliber.
InControl has one of the best return of investment of all progamers. He gives so much publicity to his sponsors.
When i think about it, Incontrol is the Anna Kournikova of eSports <3
geoff is way better looking though
He is quite handsome. |
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| tsuxiit May 11 2012 02:43. Posts 1274 | Profile # |
| Another great pickup by the Yankees. |
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| WolfintheSheep Canada. May 11 2012 02:45. Posts 1763 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 02:43 tsuxiit wrote:
Another great pickup by the Yankees.
Love how the same trolls said nothing about Zenio and Taeja. Obviously TeamLiquid "poaching" Code S players is much better, right? |
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| Fym United Kingdom. May 11 2012 02:49. Posts 188 | Profile # |
| EG.Stephano, you heard it here first |
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| FairForever Canada. May 11 2012 02:51. Posts 2186 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 02:49 Fym wrote:
EG.Stephano, you heard it here first
Except others have said it already... |
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| Goliath0nline Canada. May 11 2012 02:53. Posts 165 | Profile Blog # |
| thorzain to my favorite team :D <3 |
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| tsuxiit May 11 2012 02:55. Posts 1274 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 02:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:Love how the same trolls said nothing about Zenio and Taeja. Obviously TeamLiquid "poaching" Code S players is much better, right?
Zenio and Taeja were both free agents who openly declared their intent to join a foreign team prior to being recruited.
I'm far from trolling. It's more EG's preoccupation with hugely salaried white guys that makes the Yankees comparisons particularly apt in their case. Also, the comparison originated after EG's poaching of TL's HuK, in case you've forgotten, which makes calling TL the big-guy poaching team a bit less than fitting.Last edit: 2012-05-11 02:56:09 |
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| permelito Sweden. May 11 2012 02:55. Posts 17 | Profile # |
That video was AMAZING <3
So happy for Thorzain, and happy he is continuing his career! |
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| Badjas Netherlands. May 11 2012 02:56. Posts 1608 | Profile Blog # |
Nice job on the video 
Good luck to you Thorzain, hopefully training in the SlayerS house will pay off. |
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| takingbackoj United States. May 11 2012 03:00. Posts 490 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 23:38 helvete wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:04 mcc wrote:
On May 10 2012 20:31 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 10 2012 20:14 mcc wrote:
On May 10 2012 20:07 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 10 2012 20:04 mcc wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:56 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 10 2012 18:15 Velr wrote:
I don't see any upset people?
I just see a rich team buying another player from a poorer, which in about any sport I know happens and is not exactly "liked" by just about anyone except the fanbase of the rich team?
In the case of EG it's just hilarious that they still lack the result although their whole roster consists of... the most expensive players there are/were at the time of the purchase?... They probably should just ask the teamleagues to sell them the trophy directly :D...
The real important questions are:
Has Thorzain yet recieved his life long stock of Muscle Shirts (which look terrible and as a sponsor i would prohibit my players wearing them in front of a camre) and his oversized cup to drink ugly looking protein(?) shakes AND most important his beard.
EG lacks results? They have better results than any other foreign team. They've won MLGs, IEMs, NASL and have had top 3's at many of those tournaments as well. Team Leagues are secondary. GSTL is the only one that really matters. The rest are online. I'm sorry, but online competition is just, its not fair. Outside of Thorzain, what tournaments were the rest of Mouz winning?
They are not really foreign team or rather that distinction is meaningless now with Koreans being on nearly every roster. So you comparing them with foreign teams only is not really fair. You should compare them with all (but mostly Korean) teams. As for which "foreign" team can be compared to them. I would say 3 code S players are better than 0 and 2 code S Ro8 contenders are also rather better than what EG has achieved. I hope you know which team I am alluding to.
Ya not Mouz.
And ?
On page 871 you say "If I had best interest if ThorZain in mind, I would say EG offer was bad for him. He should have quit SC2 as quickly as possible and go back to school. But my opinion is based purely on this move ruining my favourite team. And of course on my eternal hatred for everything related to EG." Your favorite team is implied to be mouz. I bet you didn't flame them when Thorzain was with them. Also on page 958 you say "If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports." This is probably the most pretentious and ignorant thing I have ever heard any human being say. Ignoring the fact that you think you know whats best for people you don't know personally, and ignoring the fact that the statement "And I couldn't care less about esports." directly goes against your previous statement of having a favorite SC2 pro team and being emotionally invested enough to have an eternal hatred of another, if you really had Thorzains best interest in mind you would want him to be happy with what he does in life and have enough respect for him as a person to not imply you know whats best for him. You are not bright.
Lets start with, what does that have to do with the discussion I had with jmbthirteen about whether EG is the best foreign team ? Your response have no relation to that. That is why I responded with "And ?". If you have problem with what I said in post on page XXX, quote the relevant post. Do not quote completely unrelated one with completely unrelated response. Now for your arguments. There is nothing contradictory about me not caring about esports and having emotional investment in teams. I can easily not care if esports dies or not and yet be emotionally invested in teams or players. They are not the same thing. Not even mentioning that teams (not pro, but still teams) can exist without professional esports.If you quoted the posts you would also notice the context which would be helpful so you do not make completely irrelevant remarks like last part of your post.
I'm gonna butt in here to quickly state that this is so very very true! The SC2 community especially seem to suffer from the idea that only professional Esports matter, as if the value of the games played equals the amount of money invested, or the number of viewers. Personally, I don't give a rats ass about how many others are watching a game, or how much the winners take home. By that logic we should all be watching soccer instead. In fact, I prefer to watch a stream without a lot of people in it. I prefer a low level tournament (if it includes good players ofc) that focuses on the games and not some "brand". To me monetizing Esports too much is to remove the soul of the games and replace it with empty commercialism, it is to remove the true fan and replace him/her (well.. him) with sheep who'll flock to whatever is the flavor of the month. The love of the game is all that matters and while a little money will help spread that love, a lot of money will kill it. For me. edit: to bring this horribly off topic post more on topic, I'll just say that this is why I don't like Thorzain going to EG. Or rather, this is why I don't like EG. They seem to be one of the great engines of monetization in Esports.
You make some really good points. You should start a Podcast. You can call it Out of Left field with helvete where you jump into a topic real quick and find the most arbitrary thing in a post or discussion and turn it into a rant that has nothing to do with it and make statements that Esports fans only care about Esports. You can have guests on who also have nothing to do with the actual discussion like Gary Busey and kind of just riff back and forth between your abstract thoughts. It would be great. But on your very true statement above, do you know that Pro SC2 players have the ability to be pro because they get paid enough to focus on SC2, to perfect their craft, to shoot ideas off their teamates. If you want to see players who work a regular 9 to 5 play starcraft without all the money involved you can. Its called masters league, just go watch some replays or something of your favorite Masters league player no one is stopping you or forcing you to watch GOMtv or MLG. Without money, sponsers, and pro teams the level of competition would be terrible in comparison to what we have now. You may want to watch amateur games but the whole point of pro sports is to be able to see great and amazing players do great and amazing things. I have never heard of a football fan who forsakes the NFL due to its commercialization and is content on watching Arena league. These pro SC2 players are not corrupted by money, they play a game that they enjoy playing and try to get the most out of it they can. Whats wrong with that? And for EG being an engine of the monetization in Esports, please explain. Im guessing you are somehow privy to what each player at EG gets paid in comparison to other teams. And im guessing you're also privy to how much their sponsers pay them in comparison to other teams sponsers. I hope so because I would hate to think you made this whole thing up.
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| Hardigan Switzerland. May 11 2012 03:00. Posts 1297 | Profile # |
On May 11 2012 02:55 tsuxiit wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 02:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 11 2012 02:43 tsuxiit wrote:
Another great pickup by the Yankees.
Love how the same trolls said nothing about Zenio and Taeja. Obviously TeamLiquid "poaching" Code S players is much better, right?
Zenio and Taeja were both free agents who openly declared their intent to join a foreign team prior to being recruited. I'm far from trolling. It's more EG's preoccupation with hugely salaried white guys that makes the Yankees comparisons particularly apt in their case. Also, the comparison originated after EG's poaching of TL's HuK, in case you've forgotten, which makes calling TL the big-guy poaching team a bit less than fitting.
Is there a diffidence between contracting a teamless player and contracting a whos Contract with his old team just finished? That counts for both Huk and Thorzain. |
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| Cassel_Castle United States. May 11 2012 03:00. Posts 818 | Profile Blog # |
On May 11 2012 02:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:Love how the same trolls said nothing about Zenio and Taeja. Obviously TeamLiquid "poaching" Code S players is much better, right?
It's more the concept of buying a player right after he wins a tournament. Sure liquid did it in 2010 with tlo and huk, but eg's done it with idra, puma, huk, and now thorzain |
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