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 FabledIntegral   United States. May 11 2012 05:03. Posts 8379
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On May 11 2012 05:00 Leth0 wrote:

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I'm responding to your response of my response.

Responception.


You told me that it should be "obvious" as to what happens. I was merely extrapolating on that other guy's premise. If his premise is true (which he supposedly tested), then what I stated should only amplify it. If his premise is false, then what I stated would actually make the engagement worse, not better.
 
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 markrevival   United States. May 11 2012 05:03. Posts 201
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so now hellions are completely useless vs queens? ffffffffffffff
 
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 FairForever   Canada. May 11 2012 05:05. Posts 2186
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On May 11 2012 05:03 markrevival wrote:
so now hellions are completely useless vs queens? ffffffffffffff


Yep - hellions marines reapers are all useless. Please don't build them in TvZs anymore.
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  lorkac   United States. May 11 2012 05:06. Posts 2297Profile Blog # 

On May 11 2012 04:55 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Bunker jokes never get old


No matter how bad the setup they can always be salvaged.
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  Leth0   May 11 2012 05:07. Posts 856Profile # 

On May 11 2012 05:03 FabledIntegral wrote:

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You told me that it should be "obvious" as to what happens. I was merely extrapolating on that other guy's premise. If his premise is true (which he supposedly tested), then what I stated should only amplify it. If his premise is false, then what I stated would actually make the engagement worse, not better.


And my point is.

What is the dps of 3 stim marines?
What is the dps of 1 queen?
How much health do 3 marines w/combat shields after a stim have?
How much health does 1 queen and 1 transfuse give?

There is the answer, it should be obvious because all those stats are avaible to anyone with the game.

And if people want to bring up 'cost efficiency' in this scenario you can't just casually ignore the fact that terran has the ability to micro those marines.
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 thurst0n   United States. May 11 2012 05:08. Posts 573
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Shit is live on NA
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
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 MigzR   Portugal. May 11 2012 05:11. Posts 89
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loving the terran buffs, thanks blizzard
 
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 blade55555   United States. May 11 2012 05:12. Posts 14120
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On May 11 2012 05:05 FairForever wrote:

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Yep - hellions marines reapers are all useless. Please don't build them in TvZs anymore.


LOL if only they wouldn't :D
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 Freezd   United States. May 11 2012 05:12. Posts 135
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Finally, we'll see something other than a hellion opener in TvZ
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 FabledIntegral   United States. May 11 2012 05:13. Posts 8379
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On May 11 2012 05:07 Leth0 wrote:

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And my point is.

What is the dps of 3 stim marines?
What is the dps of 1 queen?
How much health do 3 marines w/combat shields after a stim have?
How much health does 1 queen and 1 transfuse give?

There is the answer, it should be obvious because all those stats are avaible to anyone with the game.

And if people want to bring up 'cost efficiency' in this scenario you can't just casually ignore the fact that terran has the ability to micro those marines.



You can't calculate it like that whatsoever. I'll give you a moment to think about why.
 
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 Integra   Sweden. May 11 2012 05:13. Posts 4928
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On May 11 2012 05:03 markrevival wrote:
so now hellions are completely useless vs queens? ffffffffffffff

Yes, I just saw Sheth's stream, and when the Terran made hellions the game just gave the Terran a auto-loss.+ Show Spoiler +
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 Dwayn   Germany. May 11 2012 05:14. Posts 268
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I love the changes. Zerg didn't have good early scouting and hellions were kind of not balanced. this should help. Makes for a better balanced game imo. They just need to fix the bunker rush now.
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 blade55555   United States. May 11 2012 05:15. Posts 14120
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On May 11 2012 05:14 Dwayn wrote:
I love the changes. Zerg didn't have good early scouting and hellions were kind of not balanced. this should help. Makes for a better balanced game imo. They just need to fix the bunker rush now.


Eh I think bunker rush is fine, the only thing I wish that would be changed about it is make it easier to right click on the scv, other then that I don't think bunker rushing should be touched as I don't think it's broken or anything.
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 Kambing   United States. May 11 2012 05:17. Posts 1086
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FYI: PDDs now stop the queen melee attack. So under the covers, the visual change is more than just a choice of animation which is kind of neat. Not sure if that's intended by Blizzard although given how things are set up now, it makes sense.



(Also Queen melee attacks are now buffed by ranged attack upgrades rather than melee although I can't remember if this is different from pre-patch.)
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  Josh_rakoons   United Kingdom. May 11 2012 05:18. Posts 1157Profile # 
Queens OP, too strong, please buff hellions, they don't kill lings and drones fast enough i have to play well now please buff terran kthxbai.
 
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 SpaceYeti   United States. May 11 2012 05:21. Posts 697
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I'm curious if this makes the Ice Fisher opening more viable.

Also, this will make proxy hatch spine crawler pushes in the lower leagues that much more fun! TY, Blizzard! ♥♥♥
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 ailouros   United States. May 11 2012 05:21. Posts 188
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Is it still down for anyone on NA? I'm on the west coast.
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  SeaSwift   Scotland. May 11 2012 05:22. Posts 4485Profile Blog # 
For fuck's sake, Blizzard, stop messing with TvZ. TvZ is the most balanced non-mirror matchup in the game, by far.

step 1) Fix early-game TvP
step 2) Fix late-game PvT
step 3) Give Protoss a non-gimmicky way to deal with Infestor/Broodlord
step 4) Give Zerg a reliable way to fend of Protoss all-ins

I don't care how you do it, but slightly increasing Queen range is not going to help any of the major problems in any matchup.
 
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 slane04   Canada. May 11 2012 05:23. Posts 23
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On May 11 2012 05:17 Kambing wrote:
FYI: PDDs now stop the queen melee attack. So under the covers, the visual change is more than just a choice of animation which is kind of neat. Not sure if that's intended by Blizzard although given how things are set up now, it makes sense.



Hellion + Raven rush anyone?
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 SharkStarcraft   Austria. May 11 2012 05:25. Posts 258
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This seems so random... i think there's bigger changes that have to be made. Don't like the queen thing, hellion openers will become a lot weaker now.
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