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| m!st Australia. May 10 2012 12:06. Posts 95 | Profile # |
| Also how does this make hellions useless? you can still deny creep tumors, you just need to be on your game and not just park on the creep. its not like queens 1 hit hellions, you can just fry a tumor then run off. |
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| VincendioS Belgium. May 10 2012 12:06. Posts 107 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 12:03 KaiserCommander wrote:
Anyone can explain me why that range upgrade to Queen was needed?
Blizzard think there is some sort of problem with early Terrans All in. Bunker rush, reaper, and hellions.
So they want to increase the range of the queen to completely shut down those early pressure/allin. |
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| Mortal May 10 2012 12:06. Posts 2413 | Profile Blog # |
| Well the bunker being unchanged is technically a change, a change of trends. So the bunker itself may be unchanged, but it's relation to patching has changed. |
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| paddyz Ireland. May 10 2012 12:07. Posts 407 | Profile # |
Don't know about the queen range change (Going to make scouting in PvZ hard, going to make early game PvZ hard in general), the rest seems good to me. Funny to see terrans complaining about being nerfed in every patch, then when not changed they still complain. The "Bunker is not changed" comment was brilliant  .Last edit: 2012-05-10 12:20:25 |
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| IMoperator May 10 2012 12:07. Posts 1652 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 12:04 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 12:03 -Exalt- wrote:
you mean those flying scouts, err overlords, that you make anyway for supply, are getting a movement speed boost? so now you can't hide ANYTHING early game vs zerg now? sweet..
Yes because hiding tech and making the zerg have to flip a coin is obviously how the game should be played!
yes, because that doesn't happen to any other race -_- |
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| SolidMoose United States. May 10 2012 12:07. Posts 1100 | Profile # |
I had to look at the last TvZ percentages. So 50.1 - 49.9 requires a patch to buff zerg, but 70% PvT winrate on cloud kingdom "makes the game more interesting."
I give up. |
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| Qaatar May 10 2012 12:07. Posts 1329 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 12:04 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 12:03 -Exalt- wrote:
you mean those flying scouts, err overlords, that you make anyway for supply, are getting a movement speed boost? so now you can't hide ANYTHING early game vs zerg now? sweet..
Yes because hiding tech and making the zerg have to flip a coin is obviously how the game should be played!
It's worked that way for years in BW, and it's been fine. Hell, P's often hide their tech against T in BW to punish greed.
If we take Blizzard's own words in consideration, they essentially envisioned this game for Terran to be slightly stronger in the early to mid-game in order to make up for its late game deficiencies (paraphrased roughly). In other words, Terran has to do damage in the early game and mid-game. It's that asymmetrical balance that Blizz seems so intent on working towards.
Thus, early game cheese is pretty much designed to work within the framework of Terran in SC2. Not to mention, cheese is an essential part of long series in tournaments to keep one's opponents honest.
There is a lot of overreaction in this thread though. I don't think this will really affect the top pro T's with good micro, timings, and map awareness. |
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| pOnarreT May 10 2012 12:07. Posts 153 | Profile # |
| I know where this thread is going, Terran whining |
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 Ruscour May 10 2012 12:07. Posts 5116 | Profile Blog # |
On May 10 2012 12:06 pumpy145 wrote:
Give us back EMP range
radius, not range
unless you want to make it so that the range is slightly higher to compensate for the range its radius gave it |
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| wuhan_clan May 10 2012 12:07. Posts 138 | Profile # |
Wasn't TvZ the most balanced matchup? Why mess with that.
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| VincendioS Belgium. May 10 2012 12:08. Posts 107 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 12:06 m!st wrote:
Also how does this make hellions useless? you can still deny creep tumors, you just need to be on your game and not just park on the creep. its not like queens 1 hit hellions, you can just fry a tumor then run off.
How can you deny creep tumors if you can't attack them? Zerg only needs to make an early 3rd queen and they use their queen to attack hellions. Roaches are now useless against early hellions... |
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| -Exalt- United States. May 10 2012 12:08. Posts 966 | Profile Blog # |
On May 10 2012 12:06 pumpy145 wrote:
Give us back EMP range
yeah, it really sucks not having a 70%+ win rate in TvP since you nerfed it blizzard  Last edit: 2012-05-10 12:09:20 |
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| Genie1 Canada. May 10 2012 12:08. Posts 307 | Profile # |
| Thanks for the bunker not changed note op gave me a good laugh. The queen range increase surprised me and will make things very interesting. Last edit: 2012-05-10 12:09:17 |
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| m!st Australia. May 10 2012 12:09. Posts 95 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 12:07 SolidMoose wrote:
I had to look at the last TvZ percentages. So 50.1 - 49.9 requires a patch to buff zerg, but 70% PvT winrate on cloud kingdom "makes the game more interesting."
I give up.
That is cloud kingdom, you can just abuse the highground with the deathball and stop a 4th. not the matchup in general, at lower levels maybe, but the game shouldnt be balanced around low levels. |
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| VincendioS Belgium. May 10 2012 12:09. Posts 107 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 12:07 SolidMoose wrote:
I had to look at the last TvZ percentages. So 50.1 - 49.9 requires a patch to buff zerg, but 70% PvT winrate on cloud kingdom "makes the game more interesting."
I give up.
I completely agree with you. 70% winrate PvT on Cloud Kindgom is not a problem at all. |
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| dAPhREAk Nauru. May 10 2012 12:10. Posts 8698 | Profile Blog # |
On May 10 2012 11:23 iNcontroL wrote:
BUNKER NOT CHANGED? Check hidden notes..
queen range means that early bunker rushes will be weaker. thats a bunker nerf in my book. |
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| Catatonic United States. May 10 2012 12:10. Posts 690 | Profile # |
On May 10 2012 11:21 boppel wrote:
nice terra buffs, that what we waited for
gonna play zerg untill diablo 3 arrives, fuck this game
It's funny cause Terran needs no buff -.- They're incredibly strong early and mid game to the point where if they do what they need to do and should do then they can win late game pretty easy so terrans really need to stop crying for buffs when all they need to do is play their race correctly rather then greedy and passive. |
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| Empire.Beastyqt Serbia. May 10 2012 12:11. Posts 378 | Profile # |
Queen and observer change are probably the worst changes I've seen in SC2.
Even change for blue flame upgrade icon from red to blue was better.Last edit: 2012-05-10 12:11:15 |
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| torm3ntin Brazil. May 10 2012 12:11. Posts 2368 | Profile # |
| noooooooo, my bunkerrrrrsss. wha u madee thisssss |
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