| fortheGG United Kingdom. May 21 2012 00:07. Posts 931 | Profile # |
On May 20 2012 23:26 TaShadan wrote:
iam not mad about the bad sc2 performance
but iam mad about blizzard killing broodwar pro scene
You can be sure that the scene would not have embraced sc2 if they did not feel they had to. |
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| Tyree May 21 2012 00:09. Posts 1508 | Profile # |
On May 20 2012 23:26 TaShadan wrote:
iam not mad about the bad sc2 performance
but iam mad about blizzard killing broodwar pro scene
Blizzard didnt kill anything, ratings for BW in Korea have been on a decline even before SC2 came out. The audience it used to have just evaporated. Its why teams had more and more problems getting sponsors, SC2 had nothing to do with it.
If anything Blizzard's push for SC2 has allowed these progamers who have invested a big portion of their lives on (a) RTS game a way to earn a paycheck the next 4-5 years with SC2. Most of them would have nothing meaningful to go back to.
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| TaShadan Germany. May 21 2012 00:14. Posts 692 | Profile # |
well thats only one side of the truth.
sc2 was failing in korea compared to LoL thats why blizzard "forced" kespa to switch
kespa has not much to say here cause they lost the last sue to blizzard (about the bw streaming rights)
so without blizzard kespa is not able to broadcast broodwar
and yes all games were bad bw and sc2Last edit: 2012-05-21 00:18:59 |
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| 1Eris1 United States. May 21 2012 00:18. Posts 5797 | Profile # |
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 ImbaTosS United Kingdom. May 21 2012 00:26. Posts 1217 | Profile Blog # |
| Yup. Rubbish. Just as predicted. |
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| BLinD-RawR India. May 21 2012 00:27. Posts 24635 | Profile Blog # |
On May 21 2012 00:14 TaShadan wrote:
well thats only one side of the truth.
sc2 was failing in korea compared to LoL thats why blizzard "forced" kespa to switch
kespa has not much to say here cause they lost the last sue to blizzard (about the bw streaming rights)
so without blizzard kespa is not able to broadcast broodwar
and yes all games were bad bw and sc2
it was the lawsuit and the matchfixing scandal that drove us into this position, sponsors are not coming up anymore because of that. |
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| TaShadan Germany. May 21 2012 00:29. Posts 692 | Profile # |
true the matchfixing scandal was brutal to the scene too  |
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| Gosi Sweden. May 21 2012 00:32. Posts 3171 | Profile # |
| My bet is that they will change the requirement of playing both games each week in a couple of weeks from now. They can't afford having stale and bad games in both BW and SC2 for 5 months. Plus the pressure on the players practicing two games and showing good games and results in both games will just cause to much stress in the end. |
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| RavenLoud Canada. May 21 2012 00:37. Posts 1069 | Profile # |
On May 20 2012 22:52 gCgCrypto wrote:
I am a big SC2 fan but seeing my favorite players from BW getting raped by protoss simply because they did not have enough time to figure out XvP is so retarded ... it took the general SC2 scehne 1 year to figute out ZvP to the extend where Zergs had more then 30% winrate...
well i hope it´ll get better cuz if not all of em will play protoss
TLPD charts shows that even during the worse of the worse of the roach hydra corruptor vs. colossus voidray stalker era, PvZ never went above 55% for P.
And yeah, the games were terrible as I predicted. This might be the final blow to Starcraft in Korea before LoL takes over.
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| hitthat Poland. May 21 2012 00:42. Posts 1479 | Profile # |
Such a pathetic sight...
First day is a disaster. If it wont change fast, I'm going to join the assholes from gamereplays.org and watch some Company of Heroes Vods as soon as OSL is over.Last edit: 2012-05-21 00:43:06 |
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| HellKey France. May 21 2012 00:50. Posts 188 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 00:42 hitthat wrote:
Such a pathetic sight...
First day is a disaster. If it wont change fast, I'm going to join the assholes from gamereplays.org and watch some Company of Heroes Vods as soon as OSL is over.
you would be the only asshole on gamereplays.org |
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| eeniebear United States. May 21 2012 01:01. Posts 184 | Profile # |
| I hope the total crashing and burning of the Korean pro scene helps ISL and ASL. Gotta rally behind what will be left of SCBW. |
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| 0kz Italy. May 21 2012 01:12. Posts 960 | Profile # |
| I don't blame sc2 at all, Im a fan of both games so thats ok .. what I hate is the stupid hybrid PL producing such a low quality of games because of players being forced to play both games,... as I said a lot of times I'd kill me but I'd rather see my heros playing only sc2, in that way they'd be at least able to put all their focus and show good games.. sigh |
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| ZeromuS Canada. May 21 2012 01:17. Posts 8291 | Profile Blog # |
Man, so many people acting so sour and mad today in this thread. :/
The following is what happened:
All fan favourites were forced to practice for BW and SC2. Its opening day for PL in Korea. Of course they want to play the "big" guys in the sc2 sets and get viewers and get fans/hype. These guys are clearly practicing both games. Flash has amazing sc2 macro but man, he really has a long way to go in sc2 yet before he is a real powerhouse.
Alternatively, they really need to keep flash as a bw player on KT because, well hes a BW beast.
So here is how I see the first day: its all about appearances and optics. They play everyone they want to play on the different games regardless of skill because they want people to watch. In a few weeks chances are flash will be on the BW squad and not be playing SC2 unless he really is the best SC2 player on KT.
They can't do two games. The coaches will hopefully realise this and create a BW squad, and an SC2 squad and then these squads do only one game all day for the remainder of PL so we actually see good BW games and good SC2 games. The first team to figure this out and do it fully committed will win PL.
As an SC2 fan, the only one who has impressed me so far was Effort and even then Flash wasn't a solid enough opponent to make me think he challenged Effort properly in SC2. If Effort had pulled that big attack against someone like MarineKing Prime (Assuming MKP even LET effort sit there as long as he did unharassed and unpressured) he would have split and effort would have lost his whole army and MKP would have still had half of Flash's army on the ground to attack back at effort. Last edit: 2012-05-21 01:20:18 |
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| palexhur Colombia. May 21 2012 01:39. Posts 200 | Profile # |
| Horrible games, Lol is going to be the biggest toy of Kespa easier, This hybrid thing is disrespectful with the fans and players, the only real RTS that I enjoy in a stream is BW been playing by the Koreans, now it is like watching the foreign scene. |
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| Lucumo May 21 2012 01:51. Posts 4481 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 01:17 ZeromuS wrote:
They can't do two games. The coaches will hopefully realise this and create a BW squad, and an SC2 squad and then these squads do only one game all day for the remainder of PL so we actually see good BW games and good SC2 games. The first team to figure this out and do it fully committed will win PL.
You do know that they have to alternate between both games, right? They are forced to practice BW and SC2 which makes creating squads impossible.Last edit: 2012-05-21 01:51:38 |
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| Frankon May 21 2012 01:58. Posts 2953 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 01:17 ZeromuS wrote:
They can't do two games. The coaches will hopefully realise this and create a BW squad, and an SC2 squad and then these squads do only one game all day for the remainder of PL so we actually see good BW games and good SC2 games. The first team to figure this out and do it fully committed will win PL.
They can't do that. Players have to alternate between BW and SC2.
I think KT coach didn't feel that Flash was ready to play SC2 yet (notice that he was put 3rd - which was a nice strategy).
Right now flash will have to play sc2 in 2 weeks (or once again put as 3rd sc2 player) and hope two first KT players win their games.
For now we know that for KT Lizzy looks rather good in Sc2 (very nice games vs BByong and Effort) so for now it looks like he will fill in for the sc2 ace match.
Basically right now the way to win in PL is to:
a) always send the good sc2 player to play BW match 3 and vice-versa
b) be lucky enough to be playing on the last day of PL play-week. This way you can adjust your roster for sniping the next week matches since you should have a rough outline of what players will be send. |
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| RonNation United States. May 21 2012 02:28. Posts 337 | Profile Blog # |
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| hitthat Poland. May 21 2012 02:40. Posts 1479 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 00:50 HellKey wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 00:42 hitthat wrote:
Such a pathetic sight...
First day is a disaster. If it wont change fast, I'm going to join the assholes from gamereplays.org and watch some Company of Heroes Vods as soon as OSL is over.
you would be the only asshole on gamereplays.org
You're clearly not familiar with those guys, haha ;P
First day seems to confirm that hybrid doesnt work. Last edit: 2012-05-21 02:42:44 |
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| Ryo May 21 2012 02:45. Posts 8409 | Profile Blog # |
On May 21 2012 00:09 Tyree wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 23:26 TaShadan wrote:
iam not mad about the bad sc2 performance
but iam mad about blizzard killing broodwar pro scene
Blizzard didnt kill anything, ratings for BW in Korea have been on a decline even before SC2 came out. The audience it used to have just evaporated. Its why teams had more and more problems getting sponsors, SC2 had nothing to do with it. If anything Blizzard's push for SC2 has allowed these progamers who have invested a big portion of their lives on (a) RTS game a way to earn a paycheck the next 4-5 years with SC2. Most of them would have nothing meaningful to go back to.
Not really true. There will be a fair number of players who will either lose their jobs/retire or receive a significant salary reduction. Applies to BW coaches as well.
On May 21 2012 00:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 00:14 TaShadan wrote:
well thats only one side of the truth.
sc2 was failing in korea compared to LoL thats why blizzard "forced" kespa to switch
kespa has not much to say here cause they lost the last sue to blizzard (about the bw streaming rights)
so without blizzard kespa is not able to broadcast broodwar
and yes all games were bad bw and sc2
it was the lawsuit and the matchfixing scandal that drove us into this position, sponsors are not coming up anymore because of that.
Well, there was a chance to save the scene. But a typhoon and Kespa's incompetence ruined that chance. Also, gaming in Korea just isn't as well regarded as it was 3-4 years ago. Last edit: 2012-05-21 02:51:41 |
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