| superbabosheki United States. May 26 2012 02:42. Posts 1466 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 02:00 Hardigan wrote:
what do you think about "magic find" items with lvl 60?
-how many % would be acceptable?
-are you comfortable sacrificing some dps/vit for it?
-does "magic find" also count for rare (yellow) items or only for magic (blue)?
-if i would have an acceptable amount of it, should i shoot every barrel/destructible object or does this attribute only count for enemys?
MF is pretty overrated once you realize it's mechanics. I've ran with 185 mf and it really doesn't make too much of a difference. With 200 mf, a monster has a 0.1% chance to drop a rare, that increases to 0.3%. If it has a 0.001% chance to drop a legendary, it would increase to 0.003%. For bosses, nephalem valor is all you need to get the crazy drops, mf has very little effect on them. 5 stacks of valor would be better than 200 mf, and if they are stacked, the difference is still negligible.
Inferno is pretty ezpz once you gear up, I have no troubles at all.Once I find a good helm/ring/belt, I'll finally be satisfied with my DH and start a wizard! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BLZ2w.png) |
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| Logo United States. May 26 2012 02:51. Posts 2649 | Profile Blog # |
| Isn't .1% -> .3% triple the chance to drop a rare (or double if 100 of that is from valor)... meaning that so long as your farming speed is >50% of what it is in just dps gear you'll farm more items? |
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| Ack1027 United States. May 26 2012 02:56. Posts 7026 | Profile Blog # |
Superbabosheki can you link your items?
Sugo~ |
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| carraway May 26 2012 02:58. Posts 167 | Profile # |
| Only time I use MF is when a boss is at 1~3% and I have 5 stacks of Nephalem Valor. I swap into a full set, pop SS, and go to town. |
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| superbabosheki United States. May 26 2012 02:59. Posts 1466 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 02:51 Logo wrote:
Isn't .1% -> .3% triple the chance to drop a rare (or double if 100 of that is from valor)... meaning that so long as your farming speed is >50% of what it is in just dps gear you'll farm more items?
No because the amount of blue's you get will still be similar, no matter how much or how little mf you have, elites/champs will almost always drop a similar quantity of blues. From my experience getting rares seems to depend more on neph buffs rather than mf. Aspect farming is a pretty good example of this, I've done well over 200 runs with 185 mf and very rarely found a yellow, whereas they always dropped 1-2 blues, which would have been the same with no mf.
As for legendaries, that's just based on pure luck and doubling/tripling your odds really won't help much.
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 JingleHell United States. May 26 2012 03:00. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 02:59 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:51 Logo wrote:
Isn't .1% -> .3% triple the chance to drop a rare (or double if 100 of that is from valor)... meaning that so long as your farming speed is >50% of what it is in just dps gear you'll farm more items?
No because the amount of blue's you get will still be similar, no matter how much or how little mf you have, elites/champs will almost always drop a similar quantity of blues. From my experience getting rares seems to depend more on neph buffs rather than mf. Aspect farming is a pretty good example of this, I've done well over 200 runs with 185 mf and very rarely found a yellow, whereas they always dropped 1-2 blues, which would have been the same with no mf. As for legendaries, that's just based on pure luck and doubling/tripling your odds really won't help much.
Hey, buying 4 lottery tickets is WAY better than buying 1.
I personally buy zero. |
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| superbabosheki United States. May 26 2012 03:03. Posts 1466 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 02:56 Ack1027 wrote:
Superbabosheki can you link your items?
Sugo~
Too lazy to SS ill estimate off the top of my head, but my only noteworthy items are ring(28% crit damage, 110 dex, 80 vit, 16% aspeed, ammy(110 dex, 15% aspeed, 40% crit damage), wep(1.25k dps, 100 vit, something else).
Everything else is just 100-200 dex items with 50-150 vit mixed in, and a few +40 - +70 all resists. Last edit: 2012-05-26 03:04:24 |
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| Gahlo United States. May 26 2012 03:07. Posts 2200 | Profile # |
On May 26 2012 02:00 Hardigan wrote:
what do you think about "magic find" items with lvl 60?
-how many % would be acceptable?
-are you comfortable sacrificing some dps/vit for it?
-does "magic find" also count for rare (yellow) items or only for magic (blue)?
-if i would have an acceptable amount of it, should i shoot every barrel/destructible object or does this attribute only count for enemys?
At 60 you get a buff of 15% MF when you kill an elite pack. It stacks 5 times and only wears off on logout or switching abilities. It takes care of a lot of the MF need.Last edit: 2012-05-26 03:07:41 |
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| Ack1027 United States. May 26 2012 03:31. Posts 7026 | Profile Blog # |
I've been farming aspects for the past 3 days. Only other alternative I know is doing act 3 normally.
I picked up a 1.2k dmg 2hand int staff but gave it to my friend instead of selling. Only made a million from selling shit I got there.
Anyone other farming areas?
Also thanks superbabo |
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| Happystreet May 26 2012 04:13. Posts 546 | Profile # |
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| KaiserJohan Sweden. May 26 2012 04:17. Posts 1499 | Profile # |
| You bypass them. Invulnerable are immortal, especially horde invulnerable.. just lure them to a remote location and SS or vault the hell away |
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| Ko1tz France. May 26 2012 04:19. Posts 492 | Profile Blog # |
I have been farming for around a week but I'm still stuck on act 1 inferno. I just cannot do anything on act II, I get one/two shotted by everything and I find myself just not being able to advance.
Are other DH's having the same problems? Should just deal with the horrible punishment I'm going through?
What I have been trying to do is just to farm as many items as humanly possible and sell them. Sadly I find myself not being able to buy anything, stuff on the AH is just WAY too expensive.
I'm starting to go crazy ;__;Last edit: 2012-05-26 05:02:02 |
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| Potatisodlaren Sweden. May 26 2012 04:56. Posts 329 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 04:19 Ko1tz wrote:
I have been farming for around a week but I'm still stuck on act 1 inferno. I just cannot do anything on act II, I get one/two shotted by everything and I find myself just not being able to advance.
Are other DH's having the same problems? Should just deal with the horrible punishment I'm going through?
What I have been trying to do is just to farm as many iteams as humanly possible and sell them, I have made around 2 million. Sadly I find myself not being able to buy anything, stuff on the AH is just WAY too expensive.
I'm starting to go crazy ;__;
I'm in the same boat. I'm considering just skipping everything using SS and vault with Tactical Advantage and using public games or friends for the bosses. I think the only ones you need to fight is Maghda, Kulle and Belial iirc. Magdha I already did, really easy. Kulle might be difficult but I think you might be able to not get hit. Belial I have no idea.
My reasoning is that Act 3 mobs is a lot easier to deal with and no stupid invisible snakes/monkeys so it might be easier than Act 2. Might be able to farm effectively there since I find hell gives me gold and items too slow and items are too bad.Last edit: 2012-05-26 04:57:21 |
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| silencefc United States. May 26 2012 05:12. Posts 224 | Profile Blog # |
The Fallen casters in Act 3 Inferno make it pretty stressful for me. They have a huge range on their resurrection and are usually in packs of 2-3. I have to take a risk to kill them every time or I can sit there and kill the same few Fallen Grunts over and over again because I can't kill them fast enough.
I wish Frost Elemental Arrow froze things...
Champion or Elite Fallen Shaman make me want to kill myself.Last edit: 2012-05-26 05:13:19 |
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| JingleHell United States. May 26 2012 05:15. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 05:12 silencefc wrote:
The Fallen casters in Act 3 Inferno make it pretty stressful for me. They have a huge range on their resurrection and are usually in packs of 2-3. I have to take a risk to kill them every time or I can sit there and kill the same few Fallen Grunts over and over again because I can't kill them fast enough.
I wish Frost Elemental Arrow froze things...
Champion or Elite Fallen Shaman make me want to kill myself.
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| maartendq Belgium. May 26 2012 05:26. Posts 1312 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 02:42 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:00 Hardigan wrote:
what do you think about "magic find" items with lvl 60?
-how many % would be acceptable?
-are you comfortable sacrificing some dps/vit for it?
-does "magic find" also count for rare (yellow) items or only for magic (blue)?
-if i would have an acceptable amount of it, should i shoot every barrel/destructible object or does this attribute only count for enemys?
MF is pretty overrated once you realize it's mechanics. I've ran with 185 mf and it really doesn't make too much of a difference. With 200 mf, a monster has a 0.1% chance to drop a rare, that increases to 0.3%. If it has a 0.001% chance to drop a legendary, it would increase to 0.003%. For bosses, nephalem valor is all you need to get the crazy drops, mf has very little effect on them. 5 stacks of valor would be better than 200 mf, and if they are stacked, the difference is still negligible. Inferno is pretty ezpz once you gear up, I have no troubles at all.Once I find a good helm/ring/belt, I'll finally be satisfied with my DH and start a wizard!
100K dmg.. What.The.Fuck... Here I was being proud at my measly 20k (which makes hell a cakewalk, but still). |
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| JingleHell United States. May 26 2012 05:27. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 05:26 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:42 superbabosheki wrote:
On May 26 2012 02:00 Hardigan wrote:
what do you think about "magic find" items with lvl 60?
-how many % would be acceptable?
-are you comfortable sacrificing some dps/vit for it?
-does "magic find" also count for rare (yellow) items or only for magic (blue)?
-if i would have an acceptable amount of it, should i shoot every barrel/destructible object or does this attribute only count for enemys?
MF is pretty overrated once you realize it's mechanics. I've ran with 185 mf and it really doesn't make too much of a difference. With 200 mf, a monster has a 0.1% chance to drop a rare, that increases to 0.3%. If it has a 0.001% chance to drop a legendary, it would increase to 0.003%. For bosses, nephalem valor is all you need to get the crazy drops, mf has very little effect on them. 5 stacks of valor would be better than 200 mf, and if they are stacked, the difference is still negligible. Inferno is pretty ezpz once you gear up, I have no troubles at all.Once I find a good helm/ring/belt, I'll finally be satisfied with my DH and start a wizard!
100K dmg.. What.The.Fuck... Here I was being proud at my measly 20k (which makes hell a cakewalk, but still).
Turn on sharpshooter. Just for the screenshots.Last edit: 2012-05-26 05:27:18 |
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| ravEzi Israel. May 26 2012 05:29. Posts 44 | Profile # |
Level 39 demon hunter here, I'm barely surviving nightmare act II, what dmg should I aim for, Items, skills...
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| ktang United States. May 26 2012 05:45. Posts 194 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 21:02 Unentschieden wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 19:52 ktang wrote:
What's everyone pick between hunger arrow with cinder and hunger arrow with devouring?
I notice that there are a lot of people that use devouring, but isn't cinder a little more consistent cause you know it will always do that additional 35% fire damage?
Law of big numbers. Yeah devouring is inconsistent but since you spam it so much only the admittedly marginally higher DPS counts. Cinders big drawback is that it deals damage over time and in that case you´d rather take bolas.
I thought cinder deals addition 35% fire damage over time on top of the regular damage that hunger arrow already provides? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm having trouble picking between damage or consistency. |
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| JingleHell United States. May 26 2012 05:51. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 05:45 ktang wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:02 Unentschieden wrote:
On May 25 2012 19:52 ktang wrote:
What's everyone pick between hunger arrow with cinder and hunger arrow with devouring?
I notice that there are a lot of people that use devouring, but isn't cinder a little more consistent cause you know it will always do that additional 35% fire damage?
Law of big numbers. Yeah devouring is inconsistent but since you spam it so much only the admittedly marginally higher DPS counts. Cinders big drawback is that it deals damage over time and in that case you´d rather take bolas.
I thought cinder deals addition 35% fire damage over time on top of the regular damage that hunger arrow already provides? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm having trouble picking between damage or consistency.
Has anyone checked to see if DOT clipping is an issue with it? The problem is, hungering is either spammy, where you shoot it till shit's dead, and DOT component is meh compared to higher damage, or it's aa hatred generator and nothing else, at which point all you care about is maxing damage on that shot you're forced to take occasionally.
I think the only two anyone cares about are shatter and devouring, depending on how they use it. |
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