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| Meril May 13 2012 20:26. Posts 20 | Profile # |
Hello.
I'm playing dota beta for a while now and I'm still a total beginner. I want to improve, so I noticed that playing some heros my win rate is really high or I find their playstyle really easy -> e,g, lich, huskar, viper, gankers like bloodseeker/riki. Is it a good idea to play them often to get a higher matchrating -> play together with better players -> get better by playing these heros. Or is it better to learn another kind of hero? |
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| Hoban United States. May 13 2012 20:31. Posts 961 | Profile Blog # |
| I would suggest focusing on things that are fun to play. I get flamed all the time because I like to play jungling heroes because they are totally awesome. The enemy is scared of you all of the early game because you can be hiding behind every tree, coming out at any moment to kill them. I get flamed for it because if you aren't Dendi, you get flamed for playing like a nub. (And actually, Dendi has gotten flamed by pub teammates as well) But really, play what you enjoy. If you enjoy winning a lot and huskar, lich, viper, riki win you games now, go for it. Just understand that there is no winning strategy, you can't just pick one hero to win every game with. Your matchmaking rating doesn't really matter to anything. There is no ladder, no real way to see how high of a MMR you are at, and no real reason to try and play at a skill level that you are not comfortable at. Just play the game, try a few things, see what is fun, and keep doing that. |
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| LAN-f34r New Zealand. May 13 2012 20:54. Posts 1057 | Profile # |
| I highly recommend going -rd, -sd, or just randoming. But if you are a beginner, you probably benefit just from plain mechanics more than anything else, so any hero is fine. Furion is a great hero to learn though :D (needs map awareness) |
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| Hoban United States. May 13 2012 21:07. Posts 961 | Profile Blog # |
On May 13 2012 20:54 LAN-f34r wrote:
I highly recommend going -rd, -sd, or just randoming. But if you are a beginner, you probably benefit just from plain mechanics more than anything else, so any hero is fine. Furion is a great hero to learn though :D (needs map awareness)
I definitely agree with picking heroes that refine certain mechanics (like map awareness!). Here is one of my favorites. If you want to learn about positioning in fights, pick crystal maiden and buy all the wards for your team. Every team fight just focus on getting off your spells and not dieing. It seems easy at first, when everyone is 5-6-7. But when people are farmed, critting for almost your entire health pool, that is when you really learn how to be positionally aware and fight like a champ. |
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| Erasme France. May 13 2012 21:09. Posts 4064 | Profile Blog # |
| I started my 20/30 games of dota2 by playing only support such as venomancer/cristal maiden/vengeful spirit. I had a blast :D and learnt much more with warding/positionning and even pushing than I would have if I had played carry. Also it allows you to recognize every hero so you don't give fb as mid because you didn't know that running away from a bs lvl 6 was a bad idea ;D Last edit: 2012-05-13 21:14:05 |
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| Tobberoth Sweden. May 13 2012 21:26. Posts 4517 | Profile # |
I'm a total nub as well, personally I think playing heroes like Tidehunter is a good idea. Little to no item dependence, tanky, skills which are easily used in a useful manner. Problem of course being that if your team is bad, you can't really turn the game around unless the opponents are terrible as well, but if you can enjoy playing well even when you lose, I think most support heroes are good to start out with, you don't have to fight people about getting last hits etc and can still contribute in the teamfights.
Tidehunter is great to learn positioning and initiating as well, though it can be frustrating when your team is bad.. you blink in, ulti and no one engages, so you just die for nothing.Last edit: 2012-05-13 21:27:21 |
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| YpnotiS France. May 13 2012 21:33. Posts 120 | Profile # |
On May 13 2012 21:07 Hoban wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 20:54 LAN-f34r wrote:
I highly recommend going -rd, -sd, or just randoming. But if you are a beginner, you probably benefit just from plain mechanics more than anything else, so any hero is fine. Furion is a great hero to learn though :D (needs map awareness)
I definitely agree with picking heroes that refine certain mechanics (like map awareness!). Here is one of my favorites. If you want to learn about positioning in fights, pick crystal maiden and buy all the wards for your team. Every team fight just focus on getting off your spells and not dieing. It seems easy at first, when everyone is 5-6-7. But when people are farmed, critting for almost your entire health pool, that is when you really learn how to be positionally aware and fight like a champ.
I agree too. Try to pick some support/babysitters or pure roamer(though the last one is kinda difficult in pub games if you're a beginner because you'll lack of timing teamplay). Learn how to put wards(defensive & offensive), how to harass hero to keep them away of the xp/gold's creep without overcommited yourself, placement before a teamfight (play with the fog of war as much as u can), is the best way to improve when you already know the basics (hero's spells/abilities and farming phase)
Good Luck in your learning
edit: Be aware that most part of support don't need big stuff to be helpful.Last edit: 2012-05-13 21:35:52 |
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| Comogury United States. May 13 2012 22:36. Posts 258 | Profile # |
On May 13 2012 21:26 Tobberoth wrote:
I'm a total nub as well, personally I think playing heroes like Tidehunter is a good idea. Little to no item dependence, tanky, skills which are easily used in a useful manner. Problem of course being that if your team is bad, you can't really turn the game around unless the opponents are terrible as well, but if you can enjoy playing well even when you lose, I think most support heroes are good to start out with, you don't have to fight people about getting last hits etc and can still contribute in the teamfights.
TQidehunter is great to learn positioning and initiating as well, though it can be frustrating when your team is bad.. you blink in, ulti and no one engages, so you just die for nothing.
You mean turn the tides?
I think playing pubstonpers is something you do when you don't feel like trying particularly hard to win a game. Even if you lose it isn't that big of a deal since it just means the other team knows how to play. If you want to improve you should definitely try to play a supporting role with any hero of your choosing. |
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| Mota_V Australia. May 13 2012 23:10. Posts 23 | Profile # |
Learn one thing at a time :D
It's hard enough getting used to the game mechanics and learning how everything works on a deeper level,
without having to learn and play a completely new hero and their build.
Stick to what you're used too and slowly expand as you get more confident.
Good luck and Have fun!
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| EmilA Denmark. May 13 2012 23:38. Posts 2737 | Profile # |
| Just play and think about what you can do to perform even better. |
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| kellymilkies Singapore. May 14 2012 00:01. Posts 1237 | Profile Blog # |
Well, part of the thing is you have to get high amount of win rates to play good games... and everyone is pretty try hard in dota2 now... so I don't ever random anymore (did for the first 3 months).
Pick heroes you like that are fun to play and are useful for teamgames and glhf!!! |
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| Canas Sweden. May 14 2012 00:23. Posts 1459 | Profile Blog # |
I personally believe that as long as you stick to one or a few heroes when you're learning is the best, as if you keep trying new heroes you often spend a decent bit of the game just trying to get used to the feel of the heroes' abilities.
When I was new I just played luna like every day, and while she's not ideal for new players, she's not terrible either (dat ult). Just pick one or a couple of heroes you like playing that are fairly simple and get decent at the game that way, imo, and then when you feel more comfortable you can start playing more varied heroes. |
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| BeanerBurrito May 14 2012 02:04. Posts 578 | Profile # |
It really doesn't matter too much what hero you play, just so long as you are attempting to play that hero well.
Before you choose a hero to play make sure you know the right skill build, and item build, and a little bit about how you should use that hero's skills.
If you're going to random, be ready to open a guide if you don't know how to play it, or make your own guides from pro replays.
If you're new chances are things aren't going to go as well as you might like them to, but as long as you are improving and improving in the right direction you're doing the best thing you can.
Pick heroes that add something to your team, that doesn't mean you have to be a support, but bloodseeker for example doesn't have a stun, doesn't have an escape mechanism, doesn't have any team fight potential, can't really control a lane real well, etc.
If you are so new that you aren't confident about knowing exactly when your team should fight, and when your team shouldn't fight, I wouldn't recommend picking a big team fight initiator, otherwise you might go in when your team shouldn't and lose some fights because of it.
If you're a new player you really just need to focus on playing more in general, a lot of dota is about experience and knowing all the heroes, and what they can do together, and what your team of heroes can do to stop that.
Keep playing, dota starts off hard because you don't know everything but once your knowledge base builds and you start knowing how you should be playing to your full potential the game gets a lot easier.
I will say that i have nothing against new players who are trying to learn but there are a few things that they tend to do that really makes me angry, whether they know it or not.
1. Be fast, if someone is ganking and pings for you to go stun, go stun immediately, not after the creep wave, not after your last hit, not after you go to the shop, being slow in a gank can easily end in a missed gank or a dead support hero.
2. Use your skills, if you are in a fight every second that you don't use an ability is a second that its cooldown could be closer to finishing. New players tend to want to save their spells, but the most efficient way to gank or team fight is to kill as fast as humanly possibly, if you save your spells for too long a fight can essentially be 4v5 just because you were too slow
3. If you're pushing attack the tower, I can't tell you how many times i see new players afraid to hit a tower for some unknown reason to me, when the tower is being pushed it is no longer a danger zone, you're supposed to kill it as fast as possible
4. Learn to last hit well, last hitting is probably the most important skill in all of dota, for carries your game depends on it, and for supports it really makes a huge difference as well. For some reason a lot of new players believe that playing support means dying and not getting any last hits, when in reality playing support means not dying, protecting your teammates, and getting all of the extra last hits your carry isn't getting. if you're a 0-15 cm with 3 last hits at 40 minutes, you're doing it wrong.
If you keep practicing to improve you'll quickly become better than the vast majority of dota players out there. |
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| cilinder007 Slovenia. May 14 2012 02:07. Posts 3231 | Profile # |
| I would never suggest randoming to someone learning the game, just start by learning 1 or 2 heros and then start playing more and more |
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| Eeeegor Australia. May 14 2012 08:30. Posts 624 | Profile # |
I agree with playing a couple of heroes repeatedly to get a basic handle on mechanics and items and stuff - but once you do, I would quickly advise playing through the entire hero pool. This is what I tell all of my friends who are starting out - once they've played 10-20 games with a couple of heroes and learned a bit about items and map movements and mechanics etc, start trying out all the heroes one at a time. Go through every hero. It's important to get familiar with what abilities heroes have and what they can/cannot do to you, and also helps you find heroes that you like. Having very basic knowledge of each hero is important, even if it's from only one game of playing them. At least you know what the skills do and how they function.
I agree with the sentiments above about focusing on general mechanics too - things like last hitting, participating in team fights, etc. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 14 2012 09:03. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
On May 13 2012 21:07 Hoban wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 20:54 LAN-f34r wrote:
I highly recommend going -rd, -sd, or just randoming. But if you are a beginner, you probably benefit just from plain mechanics more than anything else, so any hero is fine. Furion is a great hero to learn though :D (needs map awareness)
I definitely agree with picking heroes that refine certain mechanics (like map awareness!). Here is one of my favorites. If you want to learn about positioning in fights, pick crystal maiden and buy all the wards for your team. Every team fight just focus on getting off your spells and not dieing. It seems easy at first, when everyone is 5-6-7. But when people are farmed, critting for almost your entire health pool, that is when you really learn how to be positionally aware and fight like a champ.
I highly agree with this statement; I recently had a game as CM where I was running around with 800 hp midgame with a blink SF, kunkka, farmed Leoric running around. It's a huge struggle to survive, but when you hit clutch novas over and over while escaping death, it's a great feeling and teaches you a lot.
Ghost scepter recommended. |
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| Hoban United States. May 14 2012 09:07. Posts 961 | Profile Blog # |
On May 14 2012 09:03 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 21:07 Hoban wrote:
On May 13 2012 20:54 LAN-f34r wrote:
I highly recommend going -rd, -sd, or just randoming. But if you are a beginner, you probably benefit just from plain mechanics more than anything else, so any hero is fine. Furion is a great hero to learn though :D (needs map awareness)
I definitely agree with picking heroes that refine certain mechanics (like map awareness!). Here is one of my favorites. If you want to learn about positioning in fights, pick crystal maiden and buy all the wards for your team. Every team fight just focus on getting off your spells and not dieing. It seems easy at first, when everyone is 5-6-7. But when people are farmed, critting for almost your entire health pool, that is when you really learn how to be positionally aware and fight like a champ.
I highly agree with this statement; I recently had a game as CM where I was running around with 800 hp midgame with a blink SF, kunkka, farmed Leoric running around. It's a huge struggle to survive, but when you hit clutch novas over and over while escaping death, it's a great feeling and teaches you a lot. Ghost scepter recommended.
Haha for the longest time I would never buy a ghost scepter because I thought it did the exact same thing as pugnas decrepify, slow included. Always though "But even if I can't get melee attacked I still move slow as molasses!" Ah the joys of being a noob. |
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| Cyx. Canada. May 14 2012 09:15. Posts 295 | Profile # |
There's nothing wrong with picking a few pubstompy heroes to learn with - it helps boost your confidence, and there's nothing rougher as a new dota player than picking a hero that's tricky early game, feeding and then dying for an hour. If you find you have better winrates with a few heroes then definitely play those heroes more. When I first started playing dota I played Tiny for like thirty games, then Lifestealer in the jungle for another twenty or so, and by that point when I got bored of Lifestealer I had played enough games and gained a good enough feel for different heroes and how they work that I could try my hand at a hero for a couple games and get the hang of them fairly quickly.
That being said, there's nothing better than randoming once you do get to that point. Once you feel comfortable playing a few different roles, randoming heroes gives you a nice little boost of extra gold early game to make your first few minutes with a hero a little bit nicer, and it's a great way to find new heroes you'd never have thought you wanted to try. |
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| Itsmedudeman United States. May 14 2012 09:40. Posts 8497 | Profile Blog # |
| If you get to a high rating on heroes that are "OP" and then if you decide to branch out to weaker heroes you'll just end up losing a lot. Why not play your best heroes at high MMR and weaker heroes at a lower MMR? I feel that'ts the best way to even out your wins/losses and your experience alltogether. Last edit: 2012-05-14 09:40:35 |
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