On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote: Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.
Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.
Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?
Are you serious? Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?
On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote: Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.
Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.
Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?
Are you serious? Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?
Yes.
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radiatoren Denmark. August 13 2012 19:28. Posts 1233
On August 13 2012 13:10 DannyJ wrote: They need to bring back tug of war. I don't care if it could last hours / days.
A very undervalued event and a really excellent spirit. Basically it is the olympics without the big sports and big budgets. It has become THE hunting ground for future olympic sports, which is why it is supported by IOC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Games
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On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote: Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.
Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.
Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?
Are you serious? Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?
Yes he would because its his home gland slam, also Olympics is getting the same respect ranking wise as a grand slam in rio due to the massive success at London.
Also Nadal has pulled out of the US open aswell when he pulled out of the Olympics.
Basketball and Tennis should stay, football don't know so much should really be a pro competition like the other 2.
On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote: I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT
especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.
The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.
Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it. Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.
Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.
We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.
Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?
That's new to me.
Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation. Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.
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On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote: I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT
especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.
The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.
Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it. Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.
Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.
We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.
Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?
That's new to me.
Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation. Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.
Oh and other countries send their best players to these events? Pretty sure their 20 year old super talents also play for the senior side already.
And again, Germany doesn't care about the UEFA Under 21? They don't stop mentioning that Hummels, Neuer, Ozil, Boateng, etc. are UEFA Under 21 Champions. Commentators, Coaches, Players, Experts.
Asha` United Kingdom. August 13 2012 21:06. Posts 26649
On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote: Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.
Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.
Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?
Are you serious? Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?
A hundred times yes.
The Olympic tennis has really been a sideshow on the tour since it was reintroduced, and it was only with the added weight of being held at Wimbledon that this year got more interest and prestige.
Maybe in the future winning the Olympics will be held in the same esteem as winning a slam - at the least it seems like top players aren't outright skipping it nowadays since they've added in tour point -, but for now I'm pretty sure most players would trade in Olympic gold for a Slam title.
On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote: I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT
especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.
The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.
Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it. Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.
Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.
We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.
Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?
That's new to me.
Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation. Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.
Oh and other countries send their best players to these events? Pretty sure their 20 year old super talents also play for the senior side already.
And again, Germany doesn't care about the UEFA Under 21? They don't stop mentioning that Hummels, Neuer, Ozil, Boateng, etc. are UEFA Under 21 Champions. Commentators, Coaches, Players, Experts.
I don't know what outher countries do, I talk about Germany here. You seem to think that I am trying to make up excuses for the poor (non)-showing of Germany in the Olympic Football events, just pretending that Germans don't care. But for all I know we really don't care and I have already mentioned why I think that. And as I said, for the women it was a huge upset, Olympia is much more important for the german womens team. Of course I can be wrong. But Germany hasn't qualified for the olympics since 1988. Given that in the following 24 years the senior team made it into the top4 of 4 European Champinships and 4 World Cups (and 2 finals each). How likely do you think it is that during all this time our youth was so terrible that despite all their efforts they weren't able to qualify? I find that very unlikely.
edit: The U21 championships of the mentioned players serves mostly as an argument for the hopeful coming of a "golden generation". They didn't make Özil, Götze or Reus or whatever play any olympic qualifiers though (but now I really don't know which players would be too old and whatnot, just an observation, I just know that Götze could have played, but didn't).
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On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote: I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT
especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.
The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.
Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it. Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.
Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.
We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.
Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?
That's new to me.
Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation. Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.
Oh and other countries send their best players to these events? Pretty sure their 20 year old super talents also play for the senior side already.
And again, Germany doesn't care about the UEFA Under 21? They don't stop mentioning that Hummels, Neuer, Ozil, Boateng, etc. are UEFA Under 21 Champions. Commentators, Coaches, Players, Experts.
I don't know what outher countries do, I talk about Germany here. You seem to think that I am trying to make up excuses for the poor (non)-showing of Germany in the Olympic Football events, just pretending that Germans don't care. But for all I know we really don't care and I have already mentioned why I think that. And as I said, for the women it was a huge upset, Olympia is much more important for the german womens team. Of course I can be wrong. But Germany hasn't qualified for the olympics since 1988. Given that in the following 24 years the senior team made it into the top4 of 4 European Champinships and 4 World Cups (and 2 finals each). How likely do you think it is that during all this time our youth was so terrible that despite all their efforts they weren't able to qualify? I find that very unlikely.
I am talking about the UEFA Under 21 tournaments here which is the third most important tournament in International Football for Europeans. Germany does take them very seriously. And Germany has just caught up now with their youth work. Their 1990 win was impressive but there is a reason they have won only one (two if you count under 21) big tournament since then.
I am now out of my comfort zone, I cannot talk about how seriously we take that tournament every year (I don't even know how often it takes place), all I can say is that there is absolutley no outcry when we fail to qualify for the olympics. Nothing that makes officials sweat, newspapers rage or politics concerned. And never in my life have I talked with friends about an Olympic Football tournament or the qualification process. It just isn't even a piece of discussion. Of course that doesn't necessarily say something about how serious Germany takes that U21 tournament. But I guess by now I have made my point and I would only repeat myself, so I'll leave it at that.
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ShadeR Australia. August 13 2012 22:05. Posts 6623
On August 13 2012 20:20 Grettin wrote: Well, just read that first gold medalist got caught using anabolic steroids. She's the Belarus shot-put champion, Nadzeja Ostaptshuk.
Who could have guessed. I saw her pushing the shot when I switched channels and just after I saw the next athlete I was 100% sure that it was in fact the women competition ^^
The real question is if she still gets the life long free supply of sausages one belarus sponsor offered her for the gold medal
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Aristodemus England. August 14 2012 00:18. Posts 1691
I broke down the golds earlier in this thread for team GB. As it turned out to be our greatest ever olympics I have finished the list. Amazing performance by our guys, if you excluded swimming from the medal table we would have been only one behind USA which is incredible for the 60m of us! I doubt I will ever see a better medal haul in my life.
INDIVIDUAL GOLD Greg Rutherford - Long Jump (English) Mo Farah - 10k (English) Mo Farah - 5k (English) Jess Ennis - Heptathlon (English) Bradley Wiggins - TT (English) Vicky Pendleton - Keirin (English) Andy Murray - Tennis (Scottish) Ben Ainslie - Finn class (English) Peter Wilson - Shooting (English) Luke Campbell - Bantamweight (English) Anthony Joshua - Super Heavyweight (English) Nicola Adams - W Flyweight (English) Ed McKeever - Canoe sprint (English) Jason Kenny - Sprint (English BOLTON!) Chris Hoy - Keirin (Scottish) Laura Trott - Omnium (English) Charlotte Dujardin - Dressage (English) Jade Jones - W57k Taekwondo (Welsh) Alistair Brownlee - Triathlon (English)
TEAM GOLD Etienne Stott - Canoe (English) Tim Baillee - Canoe (Scottish) Phillip Hindes - Team Sprint (German but represented through England) Jason Kenny - Team Sprint (English BOLTON!) Chris Hoy - Team Sprint (Scottish) Laura Trott - Team Pursuit W (English) Jo Rowsell - Team pursuit W (English) Dani King - Team pursuit W (English) Ed Clancy - Team pursuit (English) Stephen Burke - Team pursuit (English) Geraint Thomas - Team pursuit (Welsh) Peter Kennaugh - Team pursuit (IOM) Alex Gregory - Mens Four (English) Peter Reed - Mens Four (English) Tom James - Mens Four (Welsh) Andrew Triggs Hodge - Mens Four (Seriously how could he not be English) Helen Glover - Womens pair (English) Heather Stanning - Womens pair (Scottish/English)) Katherine Grainger - Womens db sculls (Scottish) Anna Watkins - Womens db sculls (English) Katherine Copeland - Womens LW db sculls (English) Sophie Hosking - Womens LW db sculls (English/Scottish) Charlotte Dujardin - Team Dressage (English) Laura Bechtolscheimer - Team Dressage (English) Carl Hester - Team Dressage (Sark) Nick Skelton - Team Jumping (English) Scott Brash - Team Jumping (Scottish) Peter Charles - Team Jumping (English) Ben Maher - Team Jumping (English)
INDIVIDUAL GOLD England - 16 Scotland - 2 Wales - 1
TEAM GOLD England - 20 Scotland - 4 Wales - 2 Isle of Man - 1 (shame their real star was fucked over) Sark - 1
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
WolfintheSheep Canada. August 14 2012 03:29. Posts 1761
You don't really think about it but marathoners are actually running stupidly fast for 26 miles. Their avg mile time is ~4:55, faster than most people can run a mile.
Doesn't look like particularly fit people trying but it does give some scale. I'm fairly fit and I can probably only keep up with him for the first 800m, I don't think I'd last much longer than that.
AndyJay Australia. August 14 2012 08:42. Posts 481
On August 13 2012 18:56 sharkie wrote:Are you serious? Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?
On August 13 2012 18:56 sharkie wrote:Are you serious? Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?
Do you follow tennis...? He would in a second.
I follow tennis enough to know no one remembers single Grand Slam winners opposed to Golden Medal tennis players.
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