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| EchelonTee United States. May 23 2012 08:14. Posts 3420 | Profile # |
| at the end of the day acid, all I want you to do is talk more |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 23 2012 08:15. Posts 9768 | Profile Blog # |
On May 23 2012 08:14 EchelonTee wrote:
at the end of the day acid, all I want you to do is talk more
+1. It's easier to convince people you're town if you're active in trying to find scum with other players. Obviously scum can do this too, but they're too afraid more often than not.
Anyway, I've got nothing to add that can't wait until (almost) morning, so take care you elves and goblins you. |
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| EchelonTee United States. May 23 2012 13:20. Posts 3420 | Profile # |
? game slowed down considerably. I spose it is night time. Keep the ball rolling peeps
Is the deadline 3:00 pm Pacific time? It says 14:59 PDT (-7), not completely sure on that. |
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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. May 23 2012 13:39. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
| hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff |
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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. May 23 2012 13:40. Posts 1180 | Profile # | |
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| Navillus United States. May 23 2012 14:18. Posts 1120 | Profile # |
| I'm going to sleep so I won't be back for 16 hours-ish, I should be available again around 5pm EDT. |
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| Zealos United Kingdom. May 23 2012 17:57. Posts 2003 | Profile Blog # |
| Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s) |
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| froggynoddy United Kingdom. May 23 2012 20:17. Posts 391 | Profile # |
On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff
Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting.
I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T.
@VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no?
@Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf). |
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| Acid~ France. May 23 2012 20:51. Posts 439 | Profile # |
On May 23 2012 20:17 froggynoddy wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff
Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting. I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T. @VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no? @Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf).
I would still like him to explain how he came about his reversal, but I'm not sure I'll be voting him again at the start of Day 2. First I want to read the thread again, specifically how the Jeb lynch happened, who pointed fingers and who followed, that sort of thing. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 23 2012 21:04. Posts 11826 | Profile # |
On May 23 2012 20:51 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 20:17 froggynoddy wrote:
On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff
Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting. I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T. @VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no? @Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf).
I would still like him to explain how he came about his reversal, but I'm not sure I'll be voting him again at the start of Day 2. First I want to read the thread again, specifically how the Jeb lynch happened, who pointed fingers and who followed, that sort of thing.
You're not going to get one that satisfies you, I fear. I want scum and/or anti-town dead. I voted for scum (or so I thought) and at the time Nova seemed like a good vig shot, townie or not. Is this pushing a scum agenda? Maybe you could interpret it that way, but it's not the case. froggy, you should certainly know I'm not so openly risky as scum.
Anyway, I have other people on my mind now. Here's hoping Nova makes some kickass cases to disprove my scepticism. |
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| zelblade Singapore. May 23 2012 21:10. Posts 873 | Profile # |
Bleh.
I will need to reread the thread too, and will probably present my thoughts tomorrow. |
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| froggynoddy United Kingdom. May 23 2012 21:38. Posts 391 | Profile # |
On May 23 2012 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 20:51 Acid~ wrote:
On May 23 2012 20:17 froggynoddy wrote:
On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff
Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting. I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T. @VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no? @Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf).
I would still like him to explain how he came about his reversal, but I'm not sure I'll be voting him again at the start of Day 2. First I want to read the thread again, specifically how the Jeb lynch happened, who pointed fingers and who followed, that sort of thing.
You're not going to get one that satisfies you, I fear. I want scum and/or anti-town dead. I voted for scum (or so I thought) and at the time Nova seemed like a good vig shot, townie or not. I s this pushing a scum agenda? Maybe you could interpret it that way, but it's not the case. froggy, you should certainly know I'm not so openly risky as scum. Anyway, I have other people on my mind now. Here's hoping Nova makes some kickass cases to disprove my scepticism.
As has been said previously killing a townie, even a bad townie is bad for town. If you think NT is bad townie then you simply ignore everything he's been saying (as I have decided to do now) unless he starts developing scummy traits as opposed to just stupid ones.
BOLDED TEXT: This does not satisfy me and seems really dodgy to me. You admit that your behaviour could be considered scummy and then fail to show how is is not. Demonstrate how it is demonstrates a townie agenda rather than just stating 'i look scummy, but I'm not, you can trust me' |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 23 2012 21:38. Posts 11826 | Profile # | |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 23 2012 21:39. Posts 11826 | Profile # |
| EBWOP: if you seriously think I'd push something like that as mafia, you're out of your mind. |
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| Zealos United Kingdom. May 23 2012 23:18. Posts 2003 | Profile Blog # |
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent:
Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it.
I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.
Holy moly I have two votes
You're right, I don't, Zealos unvoted me.
no u
My point is that townies should in general strive to be as lucid and clear as possible. Don't give a flying two hoots what you think, if Mattchew just talks in plain text, it will achieve this better than speaking in MTG speak or whatever.
Frankly I'm bored with the sheer quantity of townies who seem to not want to do this. Hence the vote.
(ironic)
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
Other than that, I would currently put my vote on Zelblade First off, he comes up with this paragraph O' nothing:
Why is it, might I ask, a pro-town play? Last I checked it doesnt friggin matter if your methods work if youre being totally distruptive, which means no one is going to listen to you even if you get x/x scum correct.
For example in LI Tunkeg decided to post a list about how "good" people were judging by the number of games they have played, and suggested a lynch on Jackal because he was supposedly the worst player in the game according to statistics. I am going to assume this is what he meant to with that that game was simply to draw out reactions, and it didnt work so well, simply due to the fact that that list managed to throw off the thread into a lovely discussion (for scum anyway) about how his way of judging supposed skill level was inaccurate and stuff, how he should change the formula blabla, and basically with a few attacks on his play here and there, he had a decent portion of town thinking he was scum.
I will assume that one would easily see why he would think his stratergy isnt exactly the best when it causes him to nearly get mislynched day 1. Also being able to finger every single scum is great, sure, but would you trust his reads if he shits up the thread?
That being said, how is trying out a new style scummy, might I ask? Sure, it could be scum saying that as a preemptive excuse for different meta, but it could easily be town trying to play better as well. I find it somewhat suspicious that you decided to nitpick on such a thing - considering it isnt all that rare for players to want to try out a new style of play once in a while.
And yea Acrofales was pretty obviously joking around a little with the stats and some other stuff.
All that with no actual opinion, other than just asking a question or so. In fact, looking over it, he hasn't made one decent opinion all game, when it finally came down to it and he had to vote, the best he could come up with was:
On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote:
Apparently I screwed up that quote tag -_-
Eh I just realised its pluarity lynch lol. I am considering if I should dump my vote on zealos and see if it gains any traction or onto one of the three leading candidates. Kind of a hard decision since I wouldnt mind all of them dying.
Mattchew is still being a pain in the ass, though his posts are starting to get understandable, and he actually has more content than say, mouldy jeb. Probably not the best lynch today, think hes town.
I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally.
##vote: Mouldy Jeb
Also I am going to sleep soon (school) so I probably cant change my vote (deadline sucks for me as usual -_-).
A seemingly random vote for me, followed by a load of wishy washy stuff about the lynching system and why he may as well vote for moudly. I'll be very interested to see if he can come up with anything useful to say about anyway. Because for now I'd like to see him dead. Make sure when you make your case, you tell us exactly who you'd like to see dead please, because at the moment you've been sitting on the fence so much your ass will be getting red. |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 24 2012 00:14. Posts 1160 | Profile Blog # |
EchelonTee - Scum
So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:
1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.
2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.
3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.
4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.
ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. |
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| Acid~ France. May 24 2012 00:37. Posts 439 | Profile # |
On May 23 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
EBWOP: if you seriously think I'd push something like that as mafia, you're out of your mind.
Sure you would. Typical scum. Act all scummy and then act indignant when called out. "Oh come on if I was scum I would never be so obvious about it! Pschaw!" |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 24 2012 00:42. Posts 11826 | Profile # |
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
I'm thrilled you ask.
I present Zealos the Contradictor.
Nothing is coherent.
The Mouldy Jeb and scumreads affair. Firstly I'm just going to requote my earlier post. Mouldy is a scumread except he's town except he's voting for him except he's not a strong scumread except he is a scumread except he's probably town.
On May 23 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass.
"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb
Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why?
Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting.
You don't have a single scumread?
. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:16 Zealos wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass.
"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb
Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why?
Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting.
You don't have a single scumread?
No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
This isn't acceptable. You're effectively throwing your day 1 vote away because you can't be bothered to spend the time to form a proper opinion.
Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread.
So people, what do we think of Zealos? He votes on MouldyJeb who he thinks is bad town. He tells me he doesn't have a strong scumread. Then he reiterates that in fact Mouldy IS a strong scumread, even though he is likely town (seriously, wtf). Contradictions abound.
Check out particularly the things I had bolded in the nested quotes. This ties in heavily to whether or not Zealos has scumreads. Because apparently on day 1 he was happy to lynch someone he thought was bad town.
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass.
"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb
Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why?
Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting.
You don't have a single scumread?
No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
This post in particular abdicates any duty to search for scum and lynch them day 1. When Zealos left last night, he did not have any strong scumreads (apart from Mouldy. who wasn't actually a strong read. etc).
On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s)
But what's this? The lynch has passed, Zealos has just woken up - and now he magically has 'pretty good' scumreads. Where did these come from? In his sleep? Why were they not posted, you know, during the time we lynch people?
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The 'case' on Acro and inconsistent application of arguments:
On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:
I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion.
On May 21 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos.
Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me?
Zealos' 'case' on Acro consisted of "you seem to be playing similarly to your scummy meta". He and I may have different interpretations of what means what in Mafia, but this does not a case make. What is Acro supposed to say? Yes? No? Ok?
The only part of his case is an attempt at meta.
Funny, then, how he completely disregards meta while attacking me. I'm cropping the following post because I'm going to use it again.
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
"Could I just point out" he asks innocently. Given how he was so keen to bring up Acro's meta, it's awfully negligent for him to ignore mine. A cursory check on my games indicates I post a lot, regardless of alignment. For example, I have an 8 page filter as my only scum game in LIV in a 79 page game. I have a 12 page filter from LIII when I played town and died just before page 100. I post a lot regardless of alignment.
His part on me with relation to Acro:
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent: I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.
Again, he's putting suspicion on to me, but for what? He completely neglects to mention that the part he's talking about, I even provided a direct link to what I said when I last replaced into a game. It seems like a free copout for Acro's posting? What the fuck am I supposed to do about Acro's posting? It's just insidious. And again with the lots of posts comment when if he was consistent he would know that I post like that.
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself.
Handily glosses over that I was one of the first players to make a coherent case on Mouldy:
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On May 22 2012 23:01 marvellosity wrote:Just had a good go over Mouldy and I think he might actually be a pretty good lynch.
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra
I don't understand this. An experienced mafia player would kill nova as a prime target? Unlikely.
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 20:54 Mouldy Jeb wrote:tera~ this game is full of people jumping to conclusions so don't get a bit pissed 
This implies that his previous post was 'jumping to conclusions'. Basically admitting his last post was rubbish.
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:39 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
an apt point, i was making a split second judgement I'm not saying I'm against you I'm just stating at that time you seemed to have the most random vote based only on the fact he was a vet. also my vote isn't by far final
He's voting for him, but he's not against him? A final sentence indicating he's happy to back down from his vote. Then why make it? Just because other people are doing so?
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:10 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
mattchew, just because im considering that my vote may have been based on an ill judgement doesn't mean im scum just means ill have to wait till tomorrow to consolidate all the evidence from each persons posts to conjure up a decision on who to vote for.
Ok, we're gonna have evidence consolidated from each person's post leading to a reasoned vote. Glad to hear it.
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:22 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
early game i suspected nova because of rash decision making from his part and myself assuming the worst, matchew voting for me which wasn't given a viable explanation so i would be inclined to vote for matchew due to his random train of thought against others ## vote:mattchew
Gonna have to disagree with Mouldy on what consolidated evidence means I think. "inclined" to vote based on "random train of thought against others" - what does this even mean? It rather seems he's jumping on an easy wagon that's already started, because he's been voted against by said player, with a nonsensical reason.
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass.
??? Overall - votes for Nova and admits it wasn't a proper vote, wishy washy about what the vote meant - basically his posts are just setting himself up to back down from the vote on Nova. A promise of consolidated evidence instead followed by a vote with a barely understandable explanation. Also going back to my earlier posts, he is hard to understand and does not post his thoughts clearly (well, actually he seems not to have clear thoughts anyway). At this time I would prefer a Jebjeb lynch. His posting both seems scummy while at the same time hard to understand. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: MouldyJeb
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In Summary: Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, having formed them in his sleep. He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 24 2012 00:45. Posts 11826 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 00:37 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
EBWOP: if you seriously think I'd push something like that as mafia, you're out of your mind.
Sure you would. Typical scum. Act all scummy and then act indignant when called out. "Oh come on if I was scum I would never be so obvious about it! Pschaw!"
I am not 'typical scum'. I am marvellosity. There's a difference. I just finished playing scum in LIV. I never had any sort of case made against me there. Why? Because I can avoid the spotlight if I so desire. The closest anyone came to anything that game was 'he soft defended a scum once'.
I would be a terrible scum player if I let myself come in for this flak, over... what? Wanting to kill Nova Terra? Hardly a grand prize. |
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| Zealos United Kingdom. May 24 2012 01:13. Posts 2003 | Profile Blog # |
On May 24 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?
I'm thrilled you ask. I present Zealos the Contradictor. Nothing is coherent. The Mouldy Jeb and scumreads affair. Firstly I'm just going to requote my earlier post. Mouldy is a scumread except he's town except he's voting for him except he's not a strong scumread except he is a scumread except he's probably town.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass.
"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb
Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why?
Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting.
You don't have a single scumread?
. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
On May 23 2012 00:16 Zealos wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
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"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb
Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why?
Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting.
You don't have a single scumread?
No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
This isn't acceptable. You're effectively throwing your day 1 vote away because you can't be bothered to spend the time to form a proper opinion.
Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread.
So people, what do we think of Zealos? He votes on MouldyJeb who he thinks is bad town. He tells me he doesn't have a strong scumread. Then he reiterates that in fact Mouldy IS a strong scumread, even though he is likely town (seriously, wtf). Contradictions abound.
Check out particularly the things I had bolded in the nested quotes. This ties in heavily to whether or not Zealos has scumreads. Because apparently on day 1 he was happy to lynch someone he thought was bad town.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass.
"In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos
Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb
Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why?
Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting.
You don't have a single scumread?
No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
This post in particular abdicates any duty to search for scum and lynch them day 1. When Zealos left last night, he did not have any strong scumreads (apart from Mouldy. who wasn't actually a strong read. etc).
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s)
But what's this? The lynch has passed, Zealos has just woken up - and now he magically has 'pretty good' scumreads. Where did these come from? In his sleep? Why were they not posted, you know, during the time we lynch people? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 'case' on Acro and inconsistent application of arguments:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:
I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion.
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
On May 21 2012 19:53 Acrofales wrote:
@Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos.
Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me?
Zealos' 'case' on Acro consisted of "you seem to be playing similarly to your scummy meta". He and I may have different interpretations of what means what in Mafia, but this does not a case make. What is Acro supposed to say? Yes? No? Ok? The only part of his case is an attempt at meta. Funny, then, how he completely disregards meta while attacking me. I'm cropping the following post because I'm going to use it again.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
"Could I just point out" he asks innocently. Given how he was so keen to bring up Acro's meta, it's awfully negligent for him to ignore mine. A cursory check on my games indicates I post a lot, regardless of alignment. For example, I have an 8 page filter as my only scum game in LIV in a 79 page game. I have a 12 page filter from LIII when I played town and died just before page 100. I post a lot regardless of alignment. His part on me with relation to Acro:
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent:
Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it.
I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.
Again, he's putting suspicion on to me, but for what? He completely neglects to mention that the part he's talking about, I even provided a direct link to what I said when I last replaced into a game. It seems like a free copout for Acro's posting? What the fuck am I supposed to do about Acro's posting? It's just insidious. And again with the lots of posts comment when if he was consistent he would know that I post like that.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself.
Handily glosses over that I was one of the first players to make a coherent case on Mouldy: + Show Spoiler +
On May 22 2012 23:01 marvellosity wrote:Just had a good go over Mouldy and I think he might actually be a pretty good lynch.
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra
I don't understand this. An experienced mafia player would kill nova as a prime target? Unlikely.
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 20:54 Mouldy Jeb wrote:tera~ this game is full of people jumping to conclusions so don't get a bit pissed
This implies that his previous post was 'jumping to conclusions'. Basically admitting his last post was rubbish.
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 21:39 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
an apt point, i was making a split second judgement I'm not saying I'm against you I'm just stating at that time you seemed to have the most random vote based only on the fact he was a vet. also my vote isn't by far final
He's voting for him, but he's not against him? A final sentence indicating he's happy to back down from his vote. Then why make it? Just because other people are doing so?
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:10 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
mattchew, just because im considering that my vote may have been based on an ill judgement doesn't mean im scum just means ill have to wait till tomorrow to consolidate all the evidence from each persons posts to conjure up a decision on who to vote for.
Ok, we're gonna have evidence consolidated from each person's post leading to a reasoned vote. Glad to hear it.
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:22 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
early game i suspected nova because of rash decision making from his part and myself assuming the worst, matchew voting for me which wasn't given a viable explanation so i would be inclined to vote for matchew due to his random train of thought against others ## vote:mattchew
Gonna have to disagree with Mouldy on what consolidated evidence means I think. "inclined" to vote based on "random train of thought against others" - what does this even mean? It rather seems he's jumping on an easy wagon that's already started, because he's been voted against by said player, with a nonsensical reason.
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass.
??? Overall - votes for Nova and admits it wasn't a proper vote, wishy washy about what the vote meant - basically his posts are just setting himself up to back down from the vote on Nova. A promise of consolidated evidence instead followed by a vote with a barely understandable explanation. Also going back to my earlier posts, he is hard to understand and does not post his thoughts clearly (well, actually he seems not to have clear thoughts anyway). At this time I would prefer a Jebjeb lynch. His posting both seems scummy while at the same time hard to understand. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: MouldyJeb
------------------------------------------------ In Summary: Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, having formed them in his sleep. He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.
Explain again exactly why me muddling up my words on day1 makes me mafia exactly. |
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