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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 25 2012 03:10. Posts 11364 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh, I can't read now. Cool guy.
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| Mattchew United States. May 25 2012 03:12. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote:
As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him?
He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him.
On May 23 2012 07:21 Katina wrote:
I think for tomorrow's lynch candidates should be Mattchew or N_T
On May 24 2012 03:53 Katina wrote:
You know Mattchew, your quotes are cute and all but I can't help wonder what your motivation is for doing so. The games I have played in with you are nothing like this. Are you and N_T Mafia buddies?
On May 24 2012 06:39 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote:
"Mattchew will never be able to quote this." -Artanis
On May 22 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: Mattchew
I just can't bear it.
On May 22 2012 05:37 Navillus wrote:
Okaaay so my WBG vote was a joke, I do not actually think it's a good idea to lynch one of our 2 vets on that basis alone and I am not really of the opinion that advice is an automatic scum-tell, it'd be nice to have a little benefit of the doubt on me not being an idiot.
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##Vote: Mattchew
As far as I can tell he's just posting with flavor text from mtg cards, if that continues I don't really care if he's scum or town it makes him impossible to read, doesn't let him contribute, and makes for a really shitty atmosphere. Mattchew stop it.
On May 22 2012 18:11 Tunkeg wrote:
I am not sure if I can call this a case. But I really want to lynch Mattchew today. I don't have a long analysis on him, because well it is impossible to deceipher what he is saying. But my reasons are:
- He lurked through the entire start of the game.
- When he bothered to post it was all trollposts.
- I see his play as totally anti-town. And I can't see a reason to why a townie would behave this way, unless they don't care about the game at all.
Am I sold on the fact that he is scum. Not necessarily. But together with NT and Zealos he is the one I have the scummiest feeling about. The difference between Mattchew and these guys is that they are actually posting thing that you can analyse, and this can either strengthen the suspicioun on them or lessen it. For Mattchew he will probably keep this up the entire game, and whether town or scum really mess up the scumhunting environment. So I want to lynch Mattchew because he is as likely to be scum as the other two, but losing him if he is town is far better than losing the other two if they are town.
There is one arguement for not lynching him though, and that is: Would really scum draw this much attention to themself? Most likely not, but in TL Mafia where disruptive players never get lynched it would be a viable strategy.
##Vote Mattchew
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 25 2012 03:12. Posts 11364 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 03:09 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 03:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Mattchew would you be willing to play seriously from now on out? Your posts are incredibly annoying in their current form, and given how few people are actually playing to win it'd be nice if we didn't have to wade through more difficult nonsense.
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| Katina United States. May 25 2012 03:13. Posts 454 | Profile # |
| But at least Foolishness responded to people in Aperture and he was able to give out reads and make cases against people. I wouldn't mind killing Zealos I'm leaning more towards Mafia on him, but I think N_T and Mattchew come first. The cases against those two are much stronger than Zealos. As for WBG I have to go back and take a better look at him. I pretty mmuch ignored the little squabble between you two because it wasn't productive for the town. |
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| Acid~ France. May 25 2012 03:13. Posts 439 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:58 Acid~ wrote:
On May 25 2012 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Marvellosity you just have to read my posts. I'm not giving you nothing and you know that. I'm trying to lynch Zealos just as much as you are, but as long as other players are defending him indirectly by voting other players, but not calling him town, we can't get him killed.
Think about it, everyone calls him suspicious but their votes end up elsewhere.
VE at this point is just being annoying and confrontational. I don't particularly care right now why he keeps calling me scum, since he's obviously wrong, but if today's lynch does not fall on scum then I'll take the responsibility for the lynch.
You can lynch me after and town can lose.
I said I'd be OK for a Zealos lynch. I'm willing to change my vote from zelblade to Zealos if you can tell me why you think zelblade isn't scum.
Whether or not Zealos is scum at this point has absolutely nothing to do with zelblade's alignment and therefore I'm obligated to do anything for you in terms of showing you that zelblade is town or whatever. Either you think Zealos is scum or not. Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with.
And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either
1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck)
2. makes a stronger case for another lynch
As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 25 2012 03:14. Posts 11364 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 03:13 Katina wrote:
But at least Foolishness responded to people in Aperture and he was able to give out reads and make cases against people. I wouldn't mind killing Zealos I'm leaning more towards Mafia on him, but I think N_T and Mattchew come first. The cases against those two are much stronger than Zealos. As for WBG I have to go back and take a better look at him. I pretty mmuch ignored the little squabble between you two because it wasn't productive for the town.
Actually, your case on N_T is absolutely pathetic compared to the case on Zealos.
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| Mattchew United States. May 25 2012 03:18. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
"It always amazes me what perfectly good things people throw away." —Ludevic, necro-alchemist
This thread has gotten so retarded you have forced me to actually type.
Katina, you are dumb because you think there is a case against me.
VE, you are dumb because you are blinded by outside the game influences like your dislike towards WBG (and vice versa) and the notion that for the game to be balanced you cant both be town. You may stop bringing these up, but you can tell they are there by how unbelievably forced everything you have done regarding WBG is.
Marv you are dumb for asking me repeatedly for a case on zelblade and then ignoring it completely.
The rest of you are dumb because you are letting this all happen or lurking.
This is a threadwide OMGUS. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 25 2012 03:19. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| oh and katina, what the fuck did you want me to respond to, "are you and NT scumbuddies?" You haven't posted jack shit about me |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 25 2012 03:24. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| Mattchew guy...my case has nothing to do with balance. Bugs has been manipulative and contradictory...the fact that you say that my case has ANYTHING to do with balance then you're obviously not even reading. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 25 2012 03:25. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
and can someone point out to me something actually scummy that zealos or NT has done or a scum-tell that they have revealed to you, because i don't really see it with either of them.
Zealos might not be the best player but atleast he keeps his promises (despite barely any pressure to do so) and I don't think his case on hiropro is half bad.
NT most recently fought against a VE and WBG shitstorm. I can't see the scum motive in that.
Zelblade is scum, no one actually wants to read his filter or say otherwise.
and VE, I don't think WBG is scum because IDC if he ignores you. Ever since you said it wouldnt be balanced for you to be on the same team, you have had a completely skewed direction of questions and accusations at him. He also is not letting you cause the shitstorm for w.e reason you so desperately want to start. |
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 25 2012 03:28. Posts 7931 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 03:13 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 25 2012 01:58 Acid~ wrote:
On May 25 2012 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Marvellosity you just have to read my posts. I'm not giving you nothing and you know that. I'm trying to lynch Zealos just as much as you are, but as long as other players are defending him indirectly by voting other players, but not calling him town, we can't get him killed.
Think about it, everyone calls him suspicious but their votes end up elsewhere.
VE at this point is just being annoying and confrontational. I don't particularly care right now why he keeps calling me scum, since he's obviously wrong, but if today's lynch does not fall on scum then I'll take the responsibility for the lynch.
You can lynch me after and town can lose.
I said I'd be OK for a Zealos lynch. I'm willing to change my vote from zelblade to Zealos if you can tell me why you think zelblade isn't scum.
Whether or not Zealos is scum at this point has absolutely nothing to do with zelblade's alignment and therefore I'm obligated to do anything for you in terms of showing you that zelblade is town or whatever. Either you think Zealos is scum or not. Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with.
And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either 1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck) 2. makes a stronger case for another lynch As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either.
You realize that in order to kill someone in this game, you have to convince them of your correctness?
In other words if you want us to kill zelblade over zealos then you should convince us to kill him instead of telling us to convince you to not kill zelblade.
It's called burden of proof; the burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. If you make the assertion that zelblade is scum, then YOU should be the one to explain it. No one is obligated to show you why zelblade is innocent or whatever. As town I don't even know if zelblade is innocent.
Anyway, the case on Zealos has already been put forth; read Marvellosity's filter. If you don't want to do that then I don't see how you expect to win, as reading is mandatory to do almost anything else in a game of mafia.
You call the zealos case not strong. What parts of it are weak?
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| Mattchew United States. May 25 2012 03:32. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 03:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew guy...my case has nothing to do with balance. Bugs has been manipulative and contradictory...the fact that you say that my case has ANYTHING to do with balance then you're obviously not even reading.
you have been so contradictory too it blows my mind. The only reason I think your town is because of how you are pushing your read.
When I look at your case you say he is manipulative in his advice, but look at the fucking playerlist, this group needs advice. Also, his advice about MrZentor is solid because mrzentor herp derped and shot and never claimed it, and then like tried to claim shooting again or some shit. He was basically the worst vig ever.
His contraction is not a contradiction at all. Focusing on someone is WAY different then keeping an eye on them. Focusing on someone means putting them in the spotlight, while keeping an eye on them is just watching them (almost secondarily) as the game progresses.
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| Mattchew United States. May 25 2012 03:33. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 03:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 03:13 Acid~ wrote:
On May 25 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 25 2012 01:58 Acid~ wrote:
On May 25 2012 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Marvellosity you just have to read my posts. I'm not giving you nothing and you know that. I'm trying to lynch Zealos just as much as you are, but as long as other players are defending him indirectly by voting other players, but not calling him town, we can't get him killed.
Think about it, everyone calls him suspicious but their votes end up elsewhere.
VE at this point is just being annoying and confrontational. I don't particularly care right now why he keeps calling me scum, since he's obviously wrong, but if today's lynch does not fall on scum then I'll take the responsibility for the lynch.
You can lynch me after and town can lose.
I said I'd be OK for a Zealos lynch. I'm willing to change my vote from zelblade to Zealos if you can tell me why you think zelblade isn't scum.
Whether or not Zealos is scum at this point has absolutely nothing to do with zelblade's alignment and therefore I'm obligated to do anything for you in terms of showing you that zelblade is town or whatever. Either you think Zealos is scum or not. Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with.
And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either 1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck) 2. makes a stronger case for another lynch As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either.
You realize that in order to kill someone in this game, you have to convince them of your correctness? In other words if you want us to kill zelblade over zealos then you should convince us to kill him instead of telling us to convince you to not kill zelblade. It's called burden of proof; the burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. If you make the assertion that zelblade is scum, then YOU should be the one to explain it. No one is obligated to show you why zelblade is innocent or whatever. As town I don't even know if zelblade is innocent. Anyway, the case on Zealos has already been put forth; read Marvellosity's filter. If you don't want to do that then I don't see how you expect to win, as reading is mandatory to do almost anything else in a game of mafia. You call the zealos case not strong. What parts of it are weak?
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 25 2012 03:36. Posts 11364 | Profile # |
Ok, I'm going to try a slightly different tack on Zealos, because it appears I am not gaining as much traction as I like. Instead I will be presenting quotes together with minimal commentary.
Contradiction:
On May 22 2012 00:09 Zealos wrote:
I also gather that it will be impossible for you to defend yourself for the actions of Acro, and so it would be unfair to lynch you from that alone, but I am still suspicious of you.
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On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent: I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting.
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Contradiction:
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
On May 23 2012 00:16 Zealos wrote:
Not the case. My opinion is that Jeb should be lynched. The reason is twofold. 1. He is still a strong scumread, even though I said it was more likely that he is bad town. 2. That he has lurked, then been less than useless to town. I think he is a strong lynch, regardless of whether I have a strong scumread.
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Contradiction:
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s)
Light explanation - "if I tried to make a case now it'd be too late". This is 7 hours before the lynch. After the lynch he wakes up with his scumreads, all the material on his cases on me/zelblade being present before he decided not to do so the previous day 7 (!) hours before lynch. See post later in green that ties into this.
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Practically admitting being scum:
On May 24 2012 04:17 Zealos wrote:
Your case almost seemed reasonable apart from the fact your summary does nothing to point me as mafia, instead, it just tries to find flaws in my case against you.
On May 24 2012 04:46 marvellosity wrote:
To your 3/4 and summary in general. I point out the many flaws in your case against me, because when scum are 'scumhunting' they need to fabricate a case on a townie. Unless scum is bussing, they will have to fabricate motivations that do not exist in order to try to conjure up a case. Your case against me was riddled with lies, inaccuracies, and fallacies which I pointed out - in short a case but not a case. I can't for the life of me remember which game it was, but the veterans might remember - Caller scum did this in some big game and was caught for it.
I quote my post as the rebuttal of his incorrect quibble of my summary.
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Contradictions and Lies:
On May 24 2012 08:18 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
Convenient, then, that you decided not to spend the time looking for scum and instead deferred doing so until after the lynch.
##Vote: Zealos
On May 24 2012 08:20 Zealos wrote:
Actually, to clarify the first portion of the post. I was asleep just before deadline. I still felt mouldy was the best lynch. Looking for scum doesn't help when there's nothing to see.
Tying into:
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:
No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s)
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| Katina United States. May 25 2012 03:43. Posts 454 | Profile # |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 25 2012 03:43. Posts 1159 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Katina can I interest you in a thrilling WBG, Nova, Mattchew, Zealos scumteam?
This can very well be the scumteam. NT, Mattchew and Zealos where my strongest day one scumreads. And I think you are perfectly right about WBG, I get a stronger and stronger feeling that he is scum. I also find it wierd that Mattchew suddenly start posting, now that you are fireing at WBG. Makes me think that the scumteam have decided that he needs to start posting and help out WBG.
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 25 2012 03:45. Posts 7931 | Profile Blog # |
Mattchew; I get the feeling that VE wants the thread to be derailed into an argument about me vs him. Whether that's because he wants me to die because he actually thinks I'm scum or because he's scum is rather irrelevant at this stage. If we're both town it could be disastrous.
I want to see a mafia flip today and I don't think continuing this path of discussion will help us reach that goal. I agree that zelblade is scummy but solely because he hasn't posted much. However, compared to the other lurkers his posting style specifically doesn't come off to me as scummy. His thoughts seem genuine and his logic is clear. If he were scum I don't think that would be apparent. I could very well be wrong, but I really want to see zelblade post more.
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| Acid~ France. May 25 2012 03:46. Posts 439 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 03:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 03:13 Acid~ wrote:
On May 25 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 25 2012 01:58 Acid~ wrote:
On May 25 2012 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Marvellosity you just have to read my posts. I'm not giving you nothing and you know that. I'm trying to lynch Zealos just as much as you are, but as long as other players are defending him indirectly by voting other players, but not calling him town, we can't get him killed.
Think about it, everyone calls him suspicious but their votes end up elsewhere.
VE at this point is just being annoying and confrontational. I don't particularly care right now why he keeps calling me scum, since he's obviously wrong, but if today's lynch does not fall on scum then I'll take the responsibility for the lynch.
You can lynch me after and town can lose.
I said I'd be OK for a Zealos lynch. I'm willing to change my vote from zelblade to Zealos if you can tell me why you think zelblade isn't scum.
Whether or not Zealos is scum at this point has absolutely nothing to do with zelblade's alignment and therefore I'm obligated to do anything for you in terms of showing you that zelblade is town or whatever. Either you think Zealos is scum or not. Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with.
And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either 1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck) 2. makes a stronger case for another lynch As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either.
You realize that in order to kill someone in this game, you have to convince them of your correctness? In other words if you want us to kill zelblade over zealos then you should convince us to kill him instead of telling us to convince you to not kill zelblade. It's called burden of proof; the burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. If you make the assertion that zelblade is scum, then YOU should be the one to explain it. No one is obligated to show you why zelblade is innocent or whatever. As town I don't even know if zelblade is innocent. Anyway, the case on Zealos has already been put forth; read Marvellosity's filter. If you don't want to do that then I don't see how you expect to win, as reading is mandatory to do almost anything else in a game of mafia. You call the zealos case not strong. What parts of it are weak?
I have made my case against zelblade. It's pretty fucking straightforward and I made it in direct reply to a question you asked me, so I would assume you've read it. Practice what you preach. Zelblade lurked for most of the game, never tried to scumhunt, never shared reads or offered anything of value to the town in any way whatsoever. His sole contribution to the thread so far has been to vote for Jeb. Did you read his case for Jeb? Here it is, in all its glory :
On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote:
I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally.
Now, this a call to ALL TOWNIES : read zelblade's filter. ALL OF IT. It won't take long, there's barely a page and that alone tells you more than you need to know. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 25 2012 03:49. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 03:43 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Katina can I interest you in a thrilling WBG, Nova, Mattchew, Zealos scumteam?
This can very well be the scumteam. NT, Mattchew and Zealos where my strongest day one scumreads. And I think you are perfectly right about WBG, I get a stronger and stronger feeling that he is scum. I also find it wierd that Mattchew suddenly start posting, now that you are fireing at WBG. Makes me think that the scumteam have decided that he needs to start posting and help out WBG. So even if these guys are giving you a hard time don't give up VE. They do it because they are scum.
If you think I am still scum after I stopped posting in flavor text with NO pressure and in an effort to focus the thread and not let it erupt in chaos, you are either scum or really stupid |
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