On May 25 2012 07:24 marvellosity wrote: That doesn't really address of what I see as a pretty big inconsistency on his thought process on zelblade/zealos though
Me thinky zelblade scum. Me thinky zealos maybe scum. Me thinky zealos maybe bad town.
On a more serious note, it seems like the zelblade vote is losing traction and I don't want a repeat of day one fiasco, so
##Unvote ##Vote: Zealos
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wherebugsgo United States. May 25 2012 10:53. Posts 7931
On May 25 2012 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs what do you make of Matt's sudden lapse into normalcy?
necessary
On May 25 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, yeah...I don't know that it's scumminess that I'm seeing. Like, his logic is TOO bad to be like...contrived, or planned.
I'm not sure what to do this lynch, so what I'm going to do is vote for the person I'm most convinced is scum. That person is wherebugsgo.
##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: wherebugsgo
*shrug*
woot
bow down, where's my $10?
On May 25 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote: You have a point, we are kinda just talking to each other at this stage.
Need to see how people post tomorrow. Hopefully zelblade shows up. I'd like to hear from wbg on his other reads.
Acid seems weird but I can't tell if it's because he's dumb or because he's scum. For now there are certain things that I see that tend toward me thinking he's not actually scum. I give him a pass for now.
Tunkeg is most certainly being dumb, and perhaps I am overestimating him, but based on his town play recently I don't think he's this dumb. Probably scum.
Basically I think we should kill four out of five of:
Zealos Tunkeg Froggy Katina Zelblade
Any two of them flip town and we kill VE.
wherebugsgo United States. May 25 2012 11:16. Posts 7931
Actually I just remembered I'm not so sure about Froggy.
Like, if zelblade gets modkilled it would help us immensely. We don't waste a lynch, we lose a townie, yes, but we don't waste further discussion or vote power or whatever. We're going to have to come back to the discussion if zelblade is not modkilled or vigied or something. I'm not counting on us having a vigi because to do so would be naive.
I'm relatively sure, like 75%+ sure that zealos, tunkeg, katina are scum. This is the most useless katina I've seen since I played with her in AC as scum. I don't even feel like she's bussing her teammates, which would be nice. If she is, then...well...lol.
Zealos has been the topic of conversation for like the last 6 hours and he's had almost nothing to say. Every time the case is brought up against him he makes some nigly counterpoint about one thing and disappears. He only made a case (that was laughable) against hiropro after the day deadline and when it was completely unnecessary.
Zealos, Tunkeg, and Katina all follow a similar pattern in high early activity and lower later activity. This is similarly true for both zelblade and froggy, with this being the least true for froggy as he's actually done things recently. Had he continued to stay relatively inactive without prodding I would call him scum but based on my cursory read of his most recent posts, and his tone, I think I shouldn't be including him in the above list.
That leaves zelblade, who's just been completely missing. That could mean anything. If he indeed is town I think that means VE is that last scum, which wouldn't surprise me given how much he's been stretching and forcing the issue when it comes to lynching me. He accuses me of contradicting myself when he's done it himself numerous times just to put my name in the list of scum. In fact, he did it just recently just to vote me; in order to vote me, he had to contradict himself on his plea for vote consolidation.
wherebugsgo United States. May 25 2012 11:16. Posts 7931
WBG I mostly agree but I don't see it with tunkeg, I'd happily lynch Zealos and Zelblade if he doesn't show back up, then maybe froggy (I saw something recently that pointed town to me but it was something he could've been copying from big town players) kat I haven't looked at recently so I'd have to look over that again, but tunkeg despite less activity recently just doesn't look scum to me.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
I agree with a zealos lynch, for various reasons. I highly doubt a town zealos would lynch a "bad town" read, and presenting suspects after the lynch whilst supposedly having no strong reads during the day before the lynch is highly suspect.
##vote: Zealos
Another targert of intrest is Tunkeg. I already mentioned that I dont think that wanting to change one's meta is scummy, since players regardless of alignment might want to try out new styles of play. One point against him is that he didnt post that post before the game, but that is a minor factor to what I feel about his posting. He seems to emphasise that posting lists and reads gives "accountability", when in reality, it does nothing. How does knowing his reads, especially considering they are weak D1 reads which could easily be backpeddalled on, help town in anyway whatsoever? I have no idea what he means by accountability, considering townies can and will change their opinions overtime, and we do not need to know this. Notice how he also says that knowing his reads will help when someone is making a case on him. Wut? Why would a townie ever post something like that?
Lets lynch Tunkeg tomorrow after we get rid of zealos.
Assuming zealos does indeed flip scum I will be fine with a katina vigshot as well. She basically has been attempting to push both mattchew and NT, saying that they should go before zealos.
Katina, now that mattchew has decided to abandon his post restricition and has started posting normally what do you think of him? Still want to lynch him?
Nova_Terra Switzerland. May 25 2012 14:58. Posts 1180
The primary case against me is pretty much that I havent posted for quite a lot. Reason for my disappearance is something did happen and I wasnt in the mood for mafia yesterday.
Whilst lurking can be a scumtell, I oftentimes dont lurk when I play scum. Sure I am not one of those spammers who decide to spam up the thread when I roll scum, but this is probably the first time as either alignment for a decent length of time without posting, and it was simply due to real life cirumstances.
I was fine with sheeping the MJ case for a couple of reasons. Zealos was probably not going to get lynched, and MJ was my strongest scumread after him. I had not reread the thread at that time and didnt think that Tunkeg was scum, and was null on him.
I generally agree with VE. He seems to be just being VE as usual. Probably a weak meta refrence but the last time he was scum he decided to try and work with WBG instead of pushing him off as scum like he has been doing so this game (and in liar game? (not sure about this one didnt read the game past a certain point)).
wherebugsgo United States. May 25 2012 17:17. Posts 7931
I don't know what game you were reading but the last time he was scum and I was town the thread was a pile of smoke and ash at 125 pages on d2. I had to do everything just to get him lynched and he basically threw everything he could at me.
Zealos United Kingdom. May 25 2012 17:17. Posts 1730
Can one of the vets please read my filter, and then honestly say the only thing that jumps out out them is a few bits and bobs that make me look scummy?
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