Magic: The Gathering Mini Mafia

Well, the timing of his lapse into normal posting was troubling...like, the thread was in shambles because of me and bugs and his answer was.....to stop posting concisely and shit up the thread further?

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Like...I don't know, it doesn't make sense. Also his absolute certainty that Bugs being town like ALL game mystifies me considering the lengths bugs has gone to to not talk about his reads and shit.

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marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:27. Posts 11496

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On May 26 2012 08:22 froggynoddy wrote:

Re why pick Hiro over N_T? Perhaps because N_T is scum and though the gambit proposed by B is a risky one Zealos was already grasping at straws trying to prevent a bandwagon and such a gambit seems awfully risky.

What's the risk? It's taken me very specifically pushing the idea that Hiro could be scum for it to be even considered, and even then no-one is buying it. A quite likely possibility is that in making the play they hoped people wouldn't consider or push it at all like I've done.

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wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:28. Posts 7940

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On May 26 2012 08:20 Tunkeg wrote:

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Aggressive is good, and fine. If you make it with points. I would like to see you in any setting go up to someone and call them stupid, and not expect at least being called a dick.

So this is going to be a little game irrelevant, but it's true for me.

this is a game, a game based on logic, information, emotion, and a variety of other things.

Players like Palmar and I (among others) are quite aggressive in our approach, yes. I mention Palmar because he's probably the player I played most similarly to, simply through the number of games I played with him and the effectiveness of his style (though I didn't necessarily try to emulate his play). It's a style I use in debates as well; I'm not afraid to attack moral implications of certain beliefs or worldviews because I have a strong conviction for standing up for what one believes in. So far this game, though, I've refrained from using this style because newer players on the forum don't always respond the same way to it that older players did, and it renders the style somewhat ineffective.

Up till about three pages ago I hadn't done anything in my normal style. I've been attacked on meta grounds for not being aggressive before as town. DFM2 comes to mind. LI comes to mind. Those are my recent town games.

This game I wasn't attacked on meta grounds but I have been attacked for apparently being aggressive when I haven't been (which has made me really amused). It means one or a mixture of three things; I'm somehow aggressive without trying to, or I've cracked and I've started letting things slip, or I'm being misrepresented.

I think it may be a mixture of all 3 but up till about 2-3 pages ago I don't think I had done anything to provoke anyone, until I called VE's argument trash and then the half brain comments.

wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:29. Posts 7940

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On May 26 2012 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, the timing of his lapse into normal posting was troubling...like, the thread was in shambles because of me and bugs and his answer was.....to stop posting concisely and shit up the thread further?

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Like...I don't know, it doesn't make sense. Also his absolute certainty that Bugs being town like ALL game mystifies me considering the lengths bugs has gone to to not talk about his reads and shit.

I think the only person who's talked about reads more extensively than I have this game is marvellosity.

VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:30. Posts 9734

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Selectively not responding to people is provocation Bugs, you conveniently don't mention that - as it's something you admit to doing and was the whole reason I started considering you scum in the first place...or have you forgotten?

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marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:30. Posts 11496

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Mattchew duped me in LIII, so I am not confident in my ability to read him well. I'm not inclined to lynch him though.

As you're aware, I already posted myself how 'convenient' it could be for Matt to speak in MTG and 'ride to the rescue' by posting normally. So I am aware of the possibility. At the moment I don't think it's the case though.

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VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:31. Posts 9734

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The townie thing to do is to comment on a claim Bugs, you're literally trying to make town buy that AS scum Katina wouldn't be trying to emmulate town play and actually CHOSE to not mention Zealos' claim.

As scum, the IDEA is to emmulate town play, so if I were scum and in Katina's position, I'd have ABSOLUTELY mentioned Zealos' claim, the very notion that scum wouldn't is absolutely ludicrous to me.

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wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:32. Posts 7940

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On May 26 2012 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Selectively not responding to people is provocation Bugs, you conveniently don't mention that - as it's something you admit to doing and was the whole reason I started considering you scum in the first place...or have you forgotten?

playing on a need to know basis isn't provocation, it's a tactic. If everyone were fully transparent with their reads the thread would be at 200 pages and scum would win simply by people not reading the thread anymore.

wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:33. Posts 7940

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On May 26 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
The townie thing to do is to comment on a claim Bugs, you're literally trying to make town buy that AS scum Katina wouldn't be trying to emmulate town play and actually CHOSE to not mention Zealos' claim.

As scum, the IDEA is to emmulate town play, so if I were scum and in Katina's position, I'd have ABSOLUTELY mentioned Zealos' claim, the very notion that scum wouldn't is absolutely ludicrous to me.

the townie thing to do is comment on the claim.

Therefore, not commenting on the claim makes katina town.

Hahaha you make it incredibly difficult for me not to mock you sometimes.

Acid~ France. May 26 2012 08:34. Posts 439

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On May 26 2012 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
We should kill Acid as well cause he kept trying to find any excuse possible to get away from the zealos lynch.

Killing me for making a bad read will not help the town. Let's vig Katina and then we can lynch one of you or VE. I made my case on why at least one of you is scum, I'll dig it up and repost it in the morning if need be.

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VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:34. Posts 9734

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On May 26 2012 08:32 wherebugsgo wrote:

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That works in a PM game Bugs, but that doesn't work in a NO PM game. If no one talks about their reads, how is anyone to determine anyone else's motives or get any information at all?

I'm not saying be completely open, but I also wasn't asking you about like, your town reads or anything either. That's why I don't buy that explanation...add to that the fact that you're like, NOT EVEN CLOSE to playing in that style anymore...and don't tell me it's because it pissed me off because I know you don't give a shit about that.

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VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:36. Posts 9734

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And furthermore, you didn't just ignore me, but in your very next post you said you wanted me dead - like, a slap in the face AFTER a kick in the nuts. Do you not understand? Are you really that thick?

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wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:36. Posts 7940

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might I add that I don't believe Katina's scum play is incredibly strong?

Her town play is very very strong. She emulates Foolishness, and honestly she does it incredibly well.

When we were scum in Arkham City together you recall how she played? That was her first game and for the most part she just stayed under the radar. That's what she's been trying to do this game.

In games where as town she gets accused, Katina is willing to get her hands dirty. Sure, she doesn't respond nearly as much as other players, but she at the very least DOES respond. She doesn't try to feign that her posts are of quality when they're not, such as in this case.

I'm not convinced that she's scum but I'd much rather kill katina over most of the other players in the game right now, probably even tunkeg. Acid goes first IMO though, he's almost definitely scum.

marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:36. Posts 11496

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On May 26 2012 08:34 Acid~ wrote:

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Please do, I'd be interested to hear it

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marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:37. Posts 11496

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On May 26 2012 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
might I add that I don't believe Katina's scum play is incredibly strong?

Her town play is very very strong. She emulates Foolishness, and honestly she does it incredibly well.

When we were scum in Arkham City together you recall how she played? That was her first game and for the most part she just stayed under the radar. That's what she's been trying to do this game.

In games where as town she gets accused, Katina is willing to get her hands dirty. Sure, she doesn't respond nearly as much as other players, but she at the very least DOES respond. She doesn't try to feign that her posts are of quality when they're not, such as in this case.

I'm not convinced that she's scum but I'd much rather kill katina over most of the other players in the game right now, probably even tunkeg. Acid goes first IMO though, he's almost definitely scum.

Do you have a case on Acid anywhere? Or do you fancy summarising for me the points that show Acid is definitely scum?

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VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:38. Posts 9734

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Like, you say that your question to Katina was part of your "tactics"...like, you had started to think NT was town at that point...but what about my tactics bugs? You were asking Katina for her read on him to further your read on her, but what about my question trying to further my read on you? It's the exact same thing, except that I was asking you in the spirit of cooperation so that we could try and figure shit out TOGETHER and your response was "I wanna kill VE"

Like....do you see where I'm going with this?

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wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:38. Posts 7940

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On May 26 2012 08:34 Acid~ wrote:

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you can't just lynch one of us, you have to decide which one of us is scum if you actually believe that.

So which one is it?

Why can't we both be scum? Or town?

Since there should be four scum, you need a read from the rest of the player pool too, right? Who would that be?

VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:40. Posts 9734

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On May 26 2012 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:

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the townie thing to do is comment on the claim.

Therefore, not commenting on the claim makes katina town.

Hahaha you make it incredibly difficult for me not to mock you sometimes.

Scum actively try and do the thing that makes them townie...townies do not. Did you have some other point or were you just looking for another excuse to make some underhanded comment about my intelligence?

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Artanis[Xp] Netherlands. May 26 2012 08:48. Posts 3458

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I'm not willing to modkill yet, but it's damn close and I'd like to remind the players to stay civilized. Whether it's insulting players' intelligence or genitalia doesn't matter. There are other ways to make a point. Insult the argument, not the player.

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wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:49. Posts 7940

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On May 26 2012 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, you say that your question to Katina was part of your "tactics"...like, you had started to think NT was town at that point...but what about my tactics bugs? You were asking Katina for her read on him to further your read on her, but what about my question trying to further my read on you? It's the exact same thing, except that I was asking you in the spirit of cooperation so that we could try and figure shit out TOGETHER and your response was "I wanna kill VE"

Like....do you see where I'm going with this?

what are you talking about?

I called you scum because you said a couple of shady things. One about balance and another about conforming to your meta or something like that. I wanted to see your reaction.

Had I known you'd explode into a frenzy obviously I wouldn't have done it, but at that point there was nothing I could do to stop you from going into a rabid frenzy over me being scum and making the entire thread into me vs you.

I even straight up said I wasn't ignoring you but I had written down thoughts and forgotten to post them. You didn't accept that though, just like you didn't accept literally anything I said.