| Tunkeg Norway. May 26 2012 08:51. Posts 1160 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 08:20 Tunkeg wrote:
On May 26 2012 08:18 marvellosity wrote:
I think you mistake BM for aggressive. It's an extremely rare thing indeed where I will directly insult someone.
Anyway, are we going to do some scumhunting today or are we going to wait for tomorrow?
Who do people think are good lynch targets at the moment?
Aggressive is good, and fine. If you make it with points. I would like to see you in any setting go up to someone and call them stupid, and not expect at least being called a dick.
So this is going to be a little game irrelevant, but it's true for me. this is a game, a game based on logic, information, emotion, and a variety of other things. Players like Palmar and I (among others) are quite aggressive in our approach, yes. I mention Palmar because he's probably the player I played most similarly to, simply through the number of games I played with him and the effectiveness of his style (though I didn't necessarily try to emulate his play). It's a style I use in debates as well; I'm not afraid to attack moral implications of certain beliefs or worldviews because I have a strong conviction for standing up for what one believes in. So far this game, though, I've refrained from using this style because newer players on the forum don't always respond the same way to it that older players did, and it renders the style somewhat ineffective. Up till about three pages ago I hadn't done anything in my normal style. I've been attacked on meta grounds for not being aggressive before as town. DFM2 comes to mind. LI comes to mind. Those are my recent town games. This game I wasn't attacked on meta grounds but I have been attacked for apparently being aggressive when I haven't been (which has made me really amused). It means one or a mixture of three things; I'm somehow aggressive without trying to, or I've cracked and I've started letting things slip, or I'm being misrepresented. I think it may be a mixture of all 3 but up till about 2-3 pages ago I don't think I had done anything to provoke anyone, until I called VE's argument trash and then the half brain comments.
But this isn't a schooldebate. In a schooldebate pissing off the one you discuss with may work in your favour, as he get put off his game. This is why politicians can win debates simply by being better at domination techniques, while all they say is complete and utter nonsense. In this game players have to work together, at least to a certain degree. And pissing off and alianating players lead to a crappy environment. This happend to Cephiro in Liar, he got pissed off. He was right about Palmar all the way, but people picked on him, until he got infuriated, and then he was all of a sudden the bad guy. Same with Sheth, he was threatened that he should be banned because he "played against his wincondintions". I don't think they had a great experience in that game, and I don't think town got anything usefull out of them by this kind of attitude. I could mention many others incidents like it, but these are the most recent.
Host can't and shouldn't do anything about it, the players should, because the only faction that gain anything from calling anyone dumb, or a case dumb is scum. Because a townie should explain why it is wrong, and not take the easy way of saying this is dumb, as it implies the person writing it is dumb, and shouldn't be listened to, shouldn't bother posting, shouldn't even play. A townie should encourage everyone to write, and write as open as they can, so the town can get a read on, and possible cooperate with the one writing. If someone think a person is writing something that is wrong or false or made up, beat them with arguements, not with cheap insults. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:51. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
| wbg, Acid case/summary plz? |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:52. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
Tunkeg, if you spent half the time scumhunting as talking about arguing, we'd actually be getting somewhere  |
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 08:53. Posts 7962 | Profile Blog # |
| yeah I brb respond to everything in like 45. dota. |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 26 2012 08:56. Posts 1160 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 08:52 marvellosity wrote:Tunkeg, if you spent half the time scumhunting as talking about arguing, we'd actually be getting somewhere
True. I'll try to calmdown by tomorrow and be of any use. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:56. Posts 9765 | Profile Blog # |
| Just answer the question: how is ignoring my question helping anyone? I mean, I get it...you didn't want to "give scum information" or whatever...but you still haven't addressed the main point of "if you employ that tactic, how is anyone to get a read on you"...which is important considering you're trying to lead town at this point - you have to establish your innocence in some fashion, and ignoring peoples' questions about your reads is anything but. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:57. Posts 9765 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 08:56 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 08:52 marvellosity wrote:Tunkeg, if you spent half the time scumhunting as talking about arguing, we'd actually be getting somewhere
True. I'll try to calmdown by tomorrow and be of any use.
No dude try and calm down now - there are people here and we can actually do some shit.
-.-
I'm starting to think this is futile. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:57. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
On May 26 2012 08:56 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 08:52 marvellosity wrote:Tunkeg, if you spent half the time scumhunting as talking about arguing, we'd actually be getting somewhere
True. I'll try to calmdown by tomorrow and be of any use.
That'd be pretty cool. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 08:58. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
| Is wbg still your main scumread VE? |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 08:59. Posts 9765 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't know anymore - but at this point if I push him further it will only ensure that he won't get lynched because "there goes VE again" so I'm trying to find NON-Bugs scum. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 09:02. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
Right, 2 more apart from him.
I'll tell you partly why I get a town-read from Matt. We had our little tete a tete when I said he could be scum etc for his posting and coming back to normality.
imo if he was scum, he wouldn't have lost his rag at my prodding and sworn at me a bunch of times.
It seems a genuinely town reaction.
It would have had to have been a faked scum reaction to swear at me like that, and it was totally unreasonable and I do not believe Matt is totally unreasonable even when he is making plays. |
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 26 2012 09:04. Posts 7962 | Profile Blog # |
screw steam, load a game then someone d/cs, load another lol
I'm pretty sure the most likely players to be scum are those who are not involved in this conversation right now.
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 09:06. Posts 9765 | Profile Blog # |
| Well, I mean it would be all to easy to fake an angry reaction - anger is the easiest thing to fake, you just have to throw a few curse words in there and that's that. The question is: do you believe the reaction was genuine IN CONTEXT. Like, do you think he had any reason to be as angry as he did? Because believing the reaction is genuine is one thing, but it has to make sense too in order for it to be genuine. Does Matt's "genuine frustration" seem understandable to you? |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 09:07. Posts 9765 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
screw steam, load a game then someone d/cs, load another lol
I'm pretty sure the most likely players to be scum are those who are not involved in this conversation right now.
You're describing every ranked game of LoL I've ever played. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 09:10. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
On May 26 2012 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I mean it would be all to easy to fake an angry reaction - anger is the easiest thing to fake, you just have to throw a few curse words in there and that's that. The question is: do you believe the reaction was genuine IN CONTEXT. Like, do you think he had any reason to be as angry as he did? Because believing the reaction is genuine is one thing, but it has to make sense too in order for it to be genuine. Does Matt's "genuine frustration" seem understandable to you?
No, no, it's not just throwing in curse words. iirc, he said "shut the fuck up" to me twice and called me a dipshit. That's not just an angry reaction, that's specifically swearing at me in a way that he would know would be mod-warnable.
If Matt is scum and did that I think it's pretty damn low, and I don't think he is. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 09:11. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
| As in, it's only justifiable as a genuine reaction to his disbelief that I'd think like that. I can be pretty sarcasmo. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 09:13. Posts 9765 | Profile Blog # |
I mean, you missed the point, but that's okay...I'll just go reread the exchange myself.
What do you think about Katina, marv? Bugs and I have made our opinions known on the implications of Zealos' flip regarding Katina, but I don't recall your input. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 09:13. Posts 11795 | Profile # |
| No, I didn't miss the point - you're asking me to look at it from one point of view, and I find it pointless to do so when the point of view I am looking at gives me a decisive opinion already. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 09:16. Posts 9765 | Profile Blog # |
I mean, I can't accept that with my new Zen mindstate - we look at things from different viewpoints to see if the "decisive opinion" we've already arrived at still makes sense.
.....kay? |
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| zelblade Singapore. May 26 2012 09:16. Posts 873 | Profile # |
I think the VE and WBG agurements are stupid.
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