What do you think about Zelblade Marvel? Zelblade was pretty much unanimously the counter-wagon to Zealos, what do you think a late-game DT claim means in regard to Zelblade?
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marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 09:52. Posts 11496
Hey guys I'm really sorry I didn't post before the deadline I'm having a super busy day and no wifi so phone posting it is.
I'm caught up on the thread and have a couple things to say, first it's really good the zealo lynch went through obviously, to be totally honest I think I wouldve switched on to hiro because of the risk of killing dt. As to the possibility hiro is scum, I'm just not sure, it seems super risky for scum to put 2 of 4 up at risk over a gambit like this, and I don't know why they would choose to get hiro involved when he went 1v1 with zealos as obviously one of them was gonna go down after that, it would seem better if 1 scum dies no matter what for them to do what it looked like, make a desperation claim to take out a townie.
On the general game state. Calm. The fuck. Down. We are 2 days in and we've already lynched scum, in no possible world is this a bad situation for town, yes people have argued and tempers have flared but please cut the shit about people playing terribly or giving up or whatever, we're doing fine and everything seems a ton worse than it is because people are saying it's that bad.
Ummm I feel like I had a lot more to say, if I think of it I'll post otherwise day might bring more to mind, sorry I can't really save posts and going over is hard so stuff might come out in bits an pieces as I remember it.
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VisceraEyes United States. May 26 2012 10:18. Posts 9734
Do what you can Nav - for my part, I've tried to stop with the Bugs bullshit. He's either scum or not, and all freaking out about it is doing is serve to make me look worse.
No, actually it's been pretty productive since the flip guy, I'm glad you could join us. Who would you kill if you had a gun tonight sir?
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Navillus United States. May 26 2012 12:18. Posts 1120
Zelblade, froggy, or kat, kat because she's seemed semi-scummy to me but some people have commented on her meta and this is definitely the type of play that I think could just be someones meta, similar to NT. Zel and froggy have just been lurky and I think that's really the best use of a shot right now as if we have more than 1 or 2 lurkers going into late game we'll be in a very tough spot, I would lean toward froggy of the two because he really hasn't been in the spotlight at all, zel had a major wagon giving him both attention an a chance to slip up and he hasn't made himself obviously scum which counts toward him more than someone sitting in the shadows who could have been very scummy without ever having pressure. Zel if we need to we can continue the discussion and case from yesterday on, froggy we have almost nothing to go on.
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Zealos United Kingdom. May 26 2012 16:22. Posts 1748
devils are going to the Stanley Cup, you guys don't know what this means....
anyway... I already said that I was gonna look like shit should Zealos flip scum. Now I do and thats understandable, I soft, hard, and every other way defended Zealos. I will say that I have been in a bunch of games where a claimed blue was mislynched (VE in LII, Risen in GoT come to mind) and I did not want to be part of this again.
As for Tunkeg's case, it is literally just a recapping of what I did before the lynch (taking 1 post out of order) and then having only 1 opinion on 1 post (which was a question to the mods). Also, he brings up this post + Show Spoiler +
On May 26 2012 02:56 marvellosity wrote: No, you're a liar, like you've been lying all game.
This is Mafia LI all over again.
Day 2 VE is under heavy fire. Comes out with a blue claim while bussing his team-mate. Team-mate gets infinite town credit (had the game not ended).
This is what is happening here. Whichever of Zealos or Hiro gets lynched, the other is going to get massive town credit. It's so see through.
heres where im baffled about you voting zealos, if he's scum like you think, hiro is scum too. if hes not scum, your lynching our detective, while you coulda been lynching a red-checked hiro
To which I still don't have an answer from marv and maybe I'm wrong but I feel like I make sense. Marv basically says that he thinks Hiro is scum in both scenario's yet votes Zealos.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew United States. May 26 2012 16:51. Posts 5120
ps. if i had a gun i'd be shooting hiropro, I still think he's scummy and (they) used Zealos' claim as a distancing technique. I would shoot him because there is little to no chance he gets lynched
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
froggynoddy United Kingdom. May 26 2012 19:01. Posts 387
rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
These are the players that voted for HiroPro after the DT check. Zealos, Mattchew, Tunkeg, Acid~ are the players who didn't change their vote. I am certain there is at least one scum among the 5 that isn't Zealos, who either voted and switched or voted and stayed. VE I am scratching, same with froggynoddy (even if I am sold on him being town yet).
This leaves Mattchew and acid.On Mattchew I have said what I think, at least about what occured before the lynch, I have also said what I thought of his flavor posting and his return to normal posting. Acid I think is a good option, he was pushing the counterwagon on Zelblade together with Mattchew. He was softdefending Zealos in a manner that makes me suspicious. He ended up voting Zealos before the claim, but I think the reason for voting is strange:
On May 25 2012 07:24 marvellosity wrote: That doesn't really address of what I see as a pretty big inconsistency on his thought process on zelblade/zealos though
Me thinky zelblade scum. Me thinky zealos maybe scum. Me thinky zealos maybe bad town.
On a more serious note, it seems like the zelblade vote is losing traction and I don't want a repeat of day one fiasco, so
##Unvote ##Vote: Zealos
Add into the mix that Acid left his vote on marvellous day 1, when in the end the lynch was between Jeb and NT, Acids secound biggest scumread. I can not see why a townie wouldn't switch to his secound biggest scumread in a case like this.
Overall I would suggest that the Vig, if the vig is shooting tonight, shoots into the pool that voted HiroPro, and more specifically Mattchew or Acid. These are also the two I think a day 3 lynch should be between if a vig don't shoot.
Also if either of these flips scum Zelblade should be exonerated, as he was the counterwagon,a nd I doubt scum would push another scum for a counterwagon.
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote: rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
Tell me what idea is bad, and why it is bad. I'll try not to rage at stuff like this and instead hold you accountable for it. Instead of discredit what I say, without any arguement behind it. At least explain why it is bad, and what I am wrong about. If not it is just a cheapshot without any meaning.
froggynoddy United Kingdom. May 26 2012 19:15. Posts 387
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote: rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
As opposed to your great powers of insight... Note that I am not tunnelling you, I am calling your play suspicious but think other players are leaning more scum than you. Stop trying to discredit me and start using your astounding powers of spam-alot to discredit the argument.
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote: rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
Tell me what idea is bad, and why it is bad. I'll try not to rage at stuff like this and instead hold you accountable for it. Instead of discredit what I say, without any arguement behind it. At least explain why it is bad, and what I am wrong about. If not it is just a cheapshot without any meaning.
I still believe you to be scum though, so I would expect this kind of behaviour. It makes perfect sense from a scum point of view.
Nova_Terra Switzerland. May 26 2012 19:36. Posts 1180
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote: rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
Tell me what idea is bad, and why it is bad. I'll try not to rage at stuff like this and instead hold you accountable for it. Instead of discredit what I say, without any arguement behind it. At least explain why it is bad, and what I am wrong about. If not it is just a cheapshot without any meaning.
sheepVE for rest of game is a terrible idea regardless if hes town or not
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Nova_Terra Switzerland. May 26 2012 19:38. Posts 1180
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote: rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
As opposed to your great powers of insight... Note that I am not tunnelling you, I am calling your play suspicious but think other players are leaning more scum than you. Stop trying to discredit me and start using your astounding powers of spam-alot to discredit the argument.
Froggy you keep managing to pop in at perfect points in time to say something somehow relevant to discussion and then add something about how im still scum
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marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 19:39. Posts 11496
As for Tunkeg's case, it is literally just a recapping of what I did before the lynch (taking 1 post out of order) and then having only 1 opinion on 1 post (which was a question to the mods). Also, he brings up this post + Show Spoiler +
On May 26 2012 02:56 marvellosity wrote: No, you're a liar, like you've been lying all game.
This is Mafia LI all over again.
Day 2 VE is under heavy fire. Comes out with a blue claim while bussing his team-mate. Team-mate gets infinite town credit (had the game not ended).
This is what is happening here. Whichever of Zealos or Hiro gets lynched, the other is going to get massive town credit. It's so see through.
heres where im baffled about you voting zealos, if he's scum like you think, hiro is scum too. if hes not scum, your lynching our detective, while you coulda been lynching a red-checked hiro
To which I still don't have an answer from marv and maybe I'm wrong but I feel like I make sense. Marv basically says that he thinks Hiro is scum in both scenario's yet votes Zealos.
Sorry Matt, I forgot to reply. Basically my theory is that Hiro is scum and they were bussing to get whoever wasn't lynched town credit. But as others have pointed out, this does not have to be the case by any means, it's just what's in my mind at the moment.
I voted Zealos because he was the scum regardless of my little bussing theory. I had 2,3 or however many cases on why Zealos was scum and none on HiroPro, so naturally I was going to vote for Zealos.
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Nova_Terra Switzerland. May 26 2012 19:39. Posts 1180
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote: rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
Tell me what idea is bad, and why it is bad. I'll try not to rage at stuff like this and instead hold you accountable for it. Instead of discredit what I say, without any arguement behind it. At least explain why it is bad, and what I am wrong about. If not it is just a cheapshot without any meaning.
I still believe you to be scum though, so I would expect this kind of behaviour. It makes perfect sense from a scum point of view.
no, it doesnt, because suddenly you and froggy are pissed at me etc, which is also known as conflict which scum hates to be a part of, so posts like this would be avoided at the very least
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Nova_Terra Switzerland. May 26 2012 19:40. Posts 1180
On May 26 2012 19:07 Nova_Terra wrote: rofl nothing new while i was asleep, aka. massive amounts of arguing, froggy making another Oh im back Nova is scum tunnel which everyone ignores, tunkeg getting a bad idea and playing in a different way than he said he would lets lynch acid next for vig shot i'd say Katina or Hiro, im not dealing with a ton of wifom shit after acid gets lynched and katina dies, we just lynch froggy too and then proceed to win
As opposed to your great powers of insight... Note that I am not tunnelling you, I am calling your play suspicious but think other players are leaning more scum than you. Stop trying to discredit me and start using your astounding powers of spam-alot to discredit the argument.
furthermore there isnt much i can do to discredit a wifom argument, and even if there was i doubt you'd stop suspecting me
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marvellosity United Kingdom. May 26 2012 19:42. Posts 11496
On May 26 2012 19:09 Tunkeg wrote: Zealos, froggynoddy, Mattchew, Tunkeg, VisceraEyes, Acid~
These are the players that voted for HiroPro after the DT check. Zealos, Mattchew, Tunkeg, Acid~ are the players who didn't change their vote. I am certain there is at least one scum among the 5 that isn't Zealos, who either voted and switched or voted and stayed. VE I am scratching, same with froggynoddy (even if I am sold on him being town yet).
Tunkeg, why are you scratching VE from the possibilities?
