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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 08:35. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| I am voting WBG tomorrow... You guys wanted to go with VE's plan (regardless of what you thought of him thats what you did) so we might as well fulfill it. |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 29 2012 08:40. Posts 1159 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote:
I am voting WBG tomorrow... You guys wanted to go with VE's plan (regardless of what you thought of him thats what you did) so we might as well fulfill it.
I am not. I am not going with any VE plan. I voted him because he did a unbelivable stupid claim. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 08:56. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 08:40 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote:
I am voting WBG tomorrow... You guys wanted to go with VE's plan (regardless of what you thought of him thats what you did) so we might as well fulfill it.
I am not. I am not going with any VE plan. I voted him because he did a unbelivable stupid claim.
you seem so humble. do you think you are smarter than VE? or better yet, a better mafia player? |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 29 2012 09:07. Posts 1159 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 08:56 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 08:40 Tunkeg wrote:
On May 29 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote:
I am voting WBG tomorrow... You guys wanted to go with VE's plan (regardless of what you thought of him thats what you did) so we might as well fulfill it.
I am not. I am not going with any VE plan. I voted him because he did a unbelivable stupid claim.
you seem so humble. do you think you are smarter than VE? or better yet, a better mafia player?
Nah. In fact I think I know nothing about this game after seeing a veteran do that claim. I can't see any reasons what so ever to do it. I don't understand it. Heck VE might be some Mafia God for all I care, but as long as I can't understand him, I am for sure not going to follow his "plan". So let me rephrase the stupid part to inconceivable. My point still stands though, I am not going to do as he bid, especially when I think he fucked us by doing what he did. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 09:11. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah so, VE is 100% confirmed town, a vet by many peoples standards, pushed WBG's lynch in a pro-town manner (not JUST yelling and screaming but also asking individuals by name to respond to the case) and he would be playing against his win-con to be lying or pushing WBG on purpose if he was town. I think thats enough for me and any townie to vote WBG on |
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 09:11. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| Also, just so its in the thread, I think WBG/Tunk/Hiro are the remaining scum team |
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| zelblade Singapore. May 29 2012 09:16. Posts 872 | Profile # |
Wtf ve
It doesn't even matter if bugs does flip scum that claim was horribad |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 29 2012 09:16. Posts 1159 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Also, just so its in the thread, I think WBG/Tunk/Hiro are the remaining scum team
Thats fine, I think you are scum as well, and have thought so all game. |
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 09:27. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 09:16 zelblade wrote:
Wtf ve
It doesn't even matter if bugs does flip scum that claim was horribad
what about it exactly made it horribad? |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 29 2012 09:33. Posts 1159 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 09:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 09:16 zelblade wrote:
Wtf ve
It doesn't even matter if bugs does flip scum that claim was horribad
what about it exactly made it horribad?
Do you think it was a good claim? Why? That is what needs to be answered, The entire town voted for him. You are the only one who thinks his claim was any good aparantly. So stop with these nonsense questions. God damn scum! I am voting you tomorrow no matter what... |
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 09:51. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 09:33 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 09:27 Mattchew wrote:
On May 29 2012 09:16 zelblade wrote:
Wtf ve
It doesn't even matter if bugs does flip scum that claim was horribad
what about it exactly made it horribad?
Do you think it was a good claim? Why? That is what needs to be answered, The entire town voted for him. You are the only one who thinks his claim was any good aparantly. So stop with these nonsense questions. God damn scum! I am voting you tomorrow no matter what...
I think that his claim was justified, cause if he had not claimed, we woulda all been like VE WHY YOU NO CLAIM YOU SOO STOOPID.. also, he justified all his actions, whether you like his justifications or not, he did justify them and attempt to reach out to all of you to tell you this, sorry you didn't listen,
you do realize, that 1 wrong vote tomorrow means town loses. so if by some UNBELIEVABLE turn of events, you are actually town, that means the entire scum team can jump on your wrong vote and win the game. |
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 29 2012 09:51. Posts 7931 | Profile Blog # |
Mattchew are you dumb or scum?
like, really, wtf has gotten into you? |
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 29 2012 09:53. Posts 7931 | Profile Blog # |
you opposed the zealos lynch for the longest time, and now you apparently think VE is infallible just because he flipped town.
VE was lynched not because of his plan. That's fairly obvious. His notion that I am scum was moronic. He was lynched because he claimed doctor under no lynch pressure merely to ensure that I get lynched afterward. He had no DT check of me. He had no reason at all to call me scum. He was nothing more than dumb. If you are town how do you not see this?
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 09:54. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 09:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
you opposed the zealos lynch for the longest time, and now you apparently think VE is infallible just because he flipped town.
VE was lynched not because of his plan. That's fairly obvious. His notion that I am scum was moronic. He was lynched because he claimed doctor under no lynch pressure merely to ensure that I get lynched afterward. He had no DT check of me. He had no reason at all to call me scum. He was nothing more than dumb. If you are town how do you not see this?
So now you realize that it was moronic to lynch VE instead of NT/Hiro... cool |
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| Navillus United States. May 29 2012 09:57. Posts 1120 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Yeah so, VE is 100% confirmed town, a vet by many peoples standards, pushed WBG's lynch in a pro-town manner (not JUST yelling and screaming but also asking individuals by name to respond to the case) and he would be playing against his win-con to be lying or pushing WBG on purpose if he was town. I think thats enough for me and any townie to vote WBG on
I don't know whether I think we should continue with VE's plan atm but I do think we have to acknowledge the, at this point, real possibility that he just screwed up and made a mistake. We're gonna be at lylo tomorrow and if we follow through with what VE said we have to be sure that he knew what he was saying and was pointing everyone in the right direction. |
| | "TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa |
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 09:59. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| I am playing the hand we were dealt WBG... I believe that playing with a player of the caliber of VE that his main read for like 2/3 of the game is almost as good (if not arguably better) than a DT check |
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| Mattchew United States. May 29 2012 09:59. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 09:57 Navillus wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Yeah so, VE is 100% confirmed town, a vet by many peoples standards, pushed WBG's lynch in a pro-town manner (not JUST yelling and screaming but also asking individuals by name to respond to the case) and he would be playing against his win-con to be lying or pushing WBG on purpose if he was town. I think thats enough for me and any townie to vote WBG on
I don't know whether I think we should continue with VE's plan atm but I do think we have to acknowledge the, at this point, real possibility that he just screwed up and made a mistake. We're gonna be at lylo tomorrow and if we follow through with what VE said we have to be sure that he knew what he was saying and was pointing everyone in the right direction.
and why would he have been pushing us in the wrong direction? |
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| Navillus United States. May 29 2012 10:02. Posts 1120 | Profile # |
| That wasn't about his intent, obviously his intent was pro-town and he believed what he was saying, but vets are not infallible. Still as I said I don't know and I think a huge amount will depend on the NK for this. |
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| Tunkeg Norway. May 29 2012 10:03. Posts 1159 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 09:51 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 09:33 Tunkeg wrote:
On May 29 2012 09:27 Mattchew wrote:
On May 29 2012 09:16 zelblade wrote:
Wtf ve
It doesn't even matter if bugs does flip scum that claim was horribad
what about it exactly made it horribad?
Do you think it was a good claim? Why? That is what needs to be answered, The entire town voted for him. You are the only one who thinks his claim was any good aparantly. So stop with these nonsense questions. God damn scum! I am voting you tomorrow no matter what...
I think that his claim was justified, cause if he had not claimed, we woulda all been like VE WHY YOU NO CLAIM YOU SOO STOOPID.. also, he justified all his actions, whether you like his justifications or not, he did justify them and attempt to reach out to all of you to tell you this, sorry you didn't listen, you do realize, that 1 wrong vote tomorrow means town loses. so if by some UNBELIEVABLE turn of events, you are actually town, that means the entire scum team can jump on your wrong vote and win the game.
You really think claiming straight into day 3 was smart, with the only one being suspecious of him was marv?
Had he claimed after half the town voted for him then fine, but like that, come on.
I am well aware of that, am I as certain you are scum as I was of VE? No. Do I think so? Yes, very much so. And you are free to blame me for the loss, I'll take full responsibilty. In fact if you aren't scum this game I promise to resign from TL Mafia. Because then I suck so bad at this game that theres simpelt no point in playing it anymore. And this is no bogus threath as the one scum VE did in LI. I will honor it! |
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| wherebugsgo United States. May 29 2012 10:09. Posts 7931 | Profile Blog # |
and, for the record, he did the exact same thing in Liar Game.
Partly the reason I was and still am suspicious of Katina is because she was in that game and yet so far said nothing about VE. She has refused to comment on him at all. On day 1 of that game VE basically did the exact same thing he did in this game. He began to insistently call me scum for no particular reason, and continually poked and prodded me without explanation. He went so far as to include Ace as well on his list of scum (also for no reason; his stated reasons were "I don't like their play/attitude"). My number 1 target on d1 in Liar Game wasn't even VE; it was sandro. Because of his atrociously bad play I decided to call for his death as well.
This game has been more of the same. VE blew up over me saying once that I considered him scum. It's as if he couldn't handle that singular accusation. Since that I haven't really even been pushing VE as scum. If you look at my votes I never even considered voting VE until he decided to inexplicably claim doctor in a situation in which (I thought) no real doctor would ever ever claim. It was such a bad claim that you have to kill the person over it, because it's so fucking antitown. It was like the Toad vet claim from LI on d2; it served no purpose for a townie and merely introduced a huge element of WTF.
Just think about it; in what past games have you seen a town doctor with 0 votes on him claim a few hours into d3, or any day for that matter? When do town doctors ever claim if not to save themselves from lynch? Scum use claims to keep themselves alive and push their agenda. Townies should only ever claim when town benefit more from the information than scum do. In this case obviously scum benefited far more because from a townie perspective you have no idea whether VE is telling the truth or not. This is why I kept alluding back to Liar Game, because I hoped that if he was town VE would at the very least listen to what Incog had to say, if not to me.
In Liar Game's postgame discussion, this is what I am referring to:
On May 25 2012 13:49 Ver wrote:Incognito's Analysis: wherebugsgo makes a good case on sandroba, which is exactly the case EchelonTee should have been pushing (Hint: if ET doesn't jump on to wbg's case something fishy is going on here). Turns out ET comes back to the thread with a massive post on VE, who is the other potential lynch candidate for the day. Fortunately for him, nobody catches this discrepancy, his post is ignored, and he survives until...the end game? This is one of the easiest mafia you will find. Day 1 Round A had an attrocious atmosphere, and the orgainzation in Round B was pretty bad too. There was no consensus on who to lynch, and VE turned out to be the last minute lynch as Radfield came in at the last minute with enough votes on prplhz to change the lynch from prplhz to VE. Ironically, out of rage, VE actually killed himself because of his 5 votes for sandroba. If he didn't do that, sandroba would have died instead of VE and the game would have turned out a lot differently. Note that this isn't the only time sandroba is going to be saved by an enraged townie - Cephiro makes the same mistake announcing 5 votes for sandroba on day 5, which further helped the Harimoto cult and didn't force them to make a decision on whether to save sandroba or not. VE's death also shows how you shouldn't be playing town. VE provoked wbg all game, but wasn't even wbg's prime target. I think it would be likely that sandroba would have been lynched day 1 if it weren't for VE's insistence that wbg was mafia, which pretty much turned the whole town against him. It didn't take much manipulation from the mafia to get him lynched instead of sandroba at this point. If you're going to antagonize people, you have to do it with a purpose. Just repeatedly saying "you're scum bro" isn't going to get you anywhere, even if he does turn out to be mafia. Even though VE eventually gives a reason why he thinks wbg is mafia, its hard to actually take his posts seriously as a whole. Credibility is important. You can't expect to go around flinging mud at people and not being held accountable for it.
Note the bolded. This is exactly what happened again this game. I thought that VE had learned his lesson and because I was seeing the same thing again, it meant VE had to be scum. Why on earth would he make the same mistake twice?
But nope, I overestimated VE and honestly his play was atrocious. He did exactly what he was told not to do and he repeated his mistake in possibly an even worse manner than in Liar. In this game he was a power role and he threw away not only his life but also his ability to help town win with protects.
I would probably bet the reason he didn't protect marvellosity is because I said marvellosity should be protected. Because he was too thick headed to see the truth I think he didn't protect marvellosity because he thought me saying marvellosity was going to die would mean scum weren't shooting him.
Anyway, this is all a bit irrelevant right now. What is relevant is that Katina has so far had nothing to say on the matter despite being there last game. She saw it happen and she saw similar events unfolding like I did this game. Yet, so far she has done absolutely nothing.
Then, you have Mattchew, who seems to almost be feigning outrage. I prefer Katina over Mattchew right now, but both are acting really strangely. |
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