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| skyR Canada. July 31 2012 13:28. Posts 11356 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 12:54 iLLusive wrote:
Makes sense, so if I can comfortably clear Act 2 and all the way to Ghom in Act 3, would that you give the impression I can switch out like my tank stat based helm - Helm of Command with high vit / block / socket for something with str / crit and hope for a socket to not lose too much HP?
Is there a rating scale like I had for my Wizard where as 100 int / 71 weapon dps / 6.8 ias / 5.7 crit / 24.6 critdmg = 2500 DPS increase each. In asking that I wonder when seeking gloves which DPS stat do I weigh the highest?
Again thank you all so much for the advice it has been so incredibly helpful.
If you have a nice helm of command, you shouldn't be switching it out just for crit and strength until you are not using a shield anymore / comfortably farming act 3.
DPS spreadsheets have that. It'll vary from individual to individual since crit depends on crit dmg and vice versa. Crit should probably be weighed the highest on gloves since it can reach 10%.Last edit: 2012-07-31 13:28:27 |
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| Big G Italy. July 31 2012 17:17. Posts 353 | Profile # |
Hi guys!
I've recently reached my goal of 40k dps, 100% base mf and good survivability (enough for act III). These are my equip and stats: http://i46.tinypic.com/o7umv8.jpg
(please note that this is before war cry or other buffs, just Though as Nails and Ruthless)
My question is... what's next?
LOH is a bit low, resistances and armor could be higher as well, but the problem is... I can't really find an upgrade, except for those ridicolously overpriced items in EU AH (400mil??). The only slot that seems a bit weak is the chest, but that totally random +7 pickup radius has became surprisingly necessary, I feel sooooo slow without it. Finding a better substitute is a nightmare, I recall just 2 straight upgrades in GAH since a month, and those sold for 55 and 40 mil. :/
Any suggestions?
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| ffreakk Singapore. July 31 2012 17:50. Posts 2036 | Profile # |
Actually i think the weapon can use an improvement. U can sell this one for a ton of Gold (to people who actually use the Dex or the Int), and get a cheaper weapon that fits ur need more (probably decent DPS, LoH and Open Socket). Not sure how the Stats pan out with a Shield build though, probably less Weightage on Str?
And :o 700++ Resist pre Warcy? Oh man i have like 600 post-Warcry T_T |
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| Big G Italy. July 31 2012 18:16. Posts 353 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 17:50 ffreakk wrote:
Actually i think the weapon can use an improvement. U can sell this one for a ton of Gold (to people who actually use the Dex or the Int), and get a cheaper weapon that fits ur need more (probably decent DPS, LoH and Open Socket). Not sure how the Stats pan out with a Shield build though, probably less Weightage on Str?
And :o 700++ Resist pre Warcy? Oh man i have like 600 post-Warcry T_T
actually a socketed/crit weapon should give me something like 10-15% dps more with the current build, which is significant but not so huge when you consider that decent weapons with crit AND loh, even at the very top, rarely pass the 1000dps mark. :/
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| Sylvr United States. July 31 2012 19:09. Posts 524 | Profile # |
I think Sockets are how you're gonna have to upgrade the body. You could try to find something with the same stats except drop the STR and pick up 3 sockets instead, and you'd come out ahead by about 50 STR. Ideally though, you'd want the sockets AND the STR and drop the INT instead.
Your belt has sexy stats, but it has room for more attributes. I bet it wouldn't be too terrible to find the same stats + that pickup range to free you up an attribute on your body, where it would be more valuable as a Socket. The belt could also be the place to shore up that Armor that you're worried about.
Aside from that, it looks damn hard to upgrade your gear without dropping your MF... |
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| ffreakk Singapore. July 31 2012 19:20. Posts 2036 | Profile # |
I think the biggest problem boils down to "what you would consider an upgrade".
Your gear pieces tend to have great Stats, but i feel they tend to be missing key Stats (like Crit on both helm n Bracer.. or Crit dmg being the only offensive Stat on Ammy).
Personally i prefer to have more DPS, since it makes farming runs that much faster 
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| Hairy United Kingdom. July 31 2012 19:25. Posts 1055 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 18:16 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 17:50 ffreakk wrote:
Actually i think the weapon can use an improvement. U can sell this one for a ton of Gold (to people who actually use the Dex or the Int), and get a cheaper weapon that fits ur need more (probably decent DPS, LoH and Open Socket). Not sure how the Stats pan out with a Shield build though, probably less Weightage on Str?
And :o 700++ Resist pre Warcy? Oh man i have like 600 post-Warcry T_T
actually a socketed/crit weapon should give me something like 10-15% dps more with the current build, which is significant but not so huge when you consider that decent weapons with crit AND loh, even at the very top, rarely pass the 1000dps mark. :/
17.9% actually. 
(assuming 80% crit dmg gem)
EDIT: which means if he were to swap the weapon for one with a socket, it would need to be a weapon with at least 962 DPS for it to be equal to his current weapon in terms of DPS. Considering his current weapon has a respectable amount of LOH, and some stats, I think it will be hard to upgrade.Last edit: 2012-07-31 19:34:52 |
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| Big G Italy. July 31 2012 19:26. Posts 353 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 19:09 Sylvr wrote:
I think Sockets are how you're gonna have to upgrade the body. You could try to find something with the same stats except drop the STR and pick up 3 sockets instead, and you'd come out ahead by about 50 STR. Ideally though, you'd want the sockets AND the STR and drop the INT instead.
Your belt has sexy stats, but it has room for more attributes. I bet it wouldn't be too terrible to find the same stats + that pickup range to free you up an attribute on your body, where it would be more valuable as a Socket. The belt could also be the place to shore up that Armor that you're worried about.
Aside from that, it looks damn hard to upgrade your gear without dropping your MF...
Well, talking about sockets the only possible slots are chest, which is my main concern atm, and pants, which is very hard to replace (yeah there are a couple monsters in GAH for only 400 and 1000mil, apart from those nothing at all). I was following an auction for a godly chest some days ago, then someone posted the fake 1.04 patch notes and apparently everybody went panic mode *oh god let's buy every piece of armor with mf at any price*, and boom, goodby chest (55mil, it was unsold at 40mil the previous day).
The belt seems improveable at first glance, but that's not really the case if I want to mantain the mf. Right now, a belt with 25str and 15resist more, but 60vit less, is @28mil with 13 hours remaining. :D |
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| BlueBird. United States. July 31 2012 19:26. Posts 2734 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 17:17 Big G wrote:Hi guys! I've recently reached my goal of 40k dps, 100% base mf and good survivability (enough for act III). These are my equip and stats: http://i46.tinypic.com/o7umv8.jpg(please note that this is before war cry or other buffs, just Though as Nails and Ruthless) My question is... what's next? LOH is a bit low, resistances and armor could be higher as well, but the problem is... I can't really find an upgrade, except for those ridicolously overpriced items in EU AH (400mil??). The only slot that seems a bit weak is the chest, but that totally random +7 pickup radius has became surprisingly necessary, I feel sooooo slow without it. Finding a better substitute is a nightmare, I recall just 2 straight upgrades in GAH since a month, and those sold for 55 and 40 mil. :/ Any suggestions?
Movement speed boots probably first priority. MF on everything is next step..., Your chest isnt your weakest imo, pickup radius is strong cause it lets you sit in middle of everything hitting shit and healing from the globes instead of moving towards the globes.Your amulet seems weak compared to your other items too me at first glance. You could maybe drop a lil str or resist on the shoulders and easily add mf to them? Last edit: 2012-07-31 19:28:22 |
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| Big G Italy. July 31 2012 19:51. Posts 353 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 19:20 ffreakk wrote:I think the biggest problem boils down to "what you would consider an upgrade". Your gear pieces tend to have great Stats, but i feel they tend to be missing key Stats (like Crit on both helm n Bracer.. or Crit dmg being the only offensive Stat on Ammy). Personally i prefer to have more DPS, since it makes farming runs that much faster
You can't have everything, at some point isn't even a matter of money... you just can't find an item with str/vit/resist/mf AND crit. Apart from that, I can't consider crit on helm/bracers a "key stat" when I have 35% crit chance already. I mean, it's not that mandatory. 150str or 80str/4%crit is the same, dps is dps unless I want a crit-centric build.
40k dps with a one hander seems pretty big to me, don't forget that these are unbuffed. I was at 41500 yesterday, then I dropped something to gain 30% mf (that's a good exchange, don't you agree?).
On July 31 2012 19:25 Hairy wrote:17.9% actually. (assuming 80% crit dmg gem)
Yeah that was an average, weapons with 40-60% crit damage (no socket) are very common. Anyway, I agree that the next big step is the weapon upgrade, but I have to find something with similar dps.
On July 31 2012 19:26 BlueBird. wrote:
Movement speed boots probably first priority. MF on everything is next step..., Your chest isnt your weakest imo, pickup radius is strong cause it lets you sit in middle of everything hitting shit and healing from the globes instead of moving towards the globes.Your amulet seems weak compared to your other items too me at first glance. You could maybe drop a lil str or resist on the shoulders and easily add mf to them?
Amulet seems weak to me as well, but there is nothing better atm with loh, crit, and high stats (I'm checking AH several times a day). I agree that it seems very far from perfect so I'm somewhat confident. Edit: I forgot to mention that I have a similar amulet with no loh but with 38%mf, good for act II.
Movement speed would be fantastic, but for my experience (items at the very top) I have to drop armor and/or mf to find speed with same stats. Don't really know if it would be worth it, I guess I have to find out.
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| Sylvr United States. August 05 2012 11:02. Posts 524 | Profile # |
I do believe that I've messed up my Barb beyond repair. I got to A3 with no problems using WW build, and then toward the end of A2, I decided that I wanted to try the oldschool tank Barb. I thought it was going fine since I could clear stuff in A2, but then I got to A3 and it was like a brick wall. I tried to switch back to WW, and even tried to upgrade my gear since I was doing pretty well with farming on my DH, but somewhere along the way, I completely screwed it up. My "upgrades" improved my DPS a ton, but suddenly, I couldn't even survive trash mobs. I had sacrificed too many survival stats for DPS, apparently.
As such, I've decided to sell off all of my gear and use the gold to rebuild from the ground up. I got some decent deals on most of my more expensive stuff (which still isn't all that expensive, since I was building on a budget), so I expect that I will probably come out ahead in gold. I expect to have around 20-30M to work with once everything is sold off.
The question is, where should I start? 1h+Shield was pretty boring IMO, so I'm most likely going to go the WW route. Which stats are mandatory to get the build off the ground, and which are luxury stats that I can add in as I go? |
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| skyR Canada. August 05 2012 11:21. Posts 11356 | Profile # |
| Crit% is your #1 stat since fury generation comes from getting crits. A bit of LoH is needed to sustain your HP. |
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| Sylvr United States. August 05 2012 11:25. Posts 524 | Profile # |
| So STR and CD are are secondary? Where does IAS come in? |
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| skyR Canada. August 05 2012 11:48. Posts 11356 | Profile # |
No strength and crit damage aren't secondary stats... well not unless you want to spin around for days and let your tornados tickle the mobs. Strength should be on every piece of gear except for weapon(s). Both weapons should have a socket and jewelry should have crit damage as well. The build is about being offensive.
IAS should be ignored until you can afford trifectas. Focus on getting crit% and critdmg on every piece of gear capable of having one or both (helm, bracers, gloves, amulet, ring, weapons). |
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| Sylvr United States. August 05 2012 13:56. Posts 524 | Profile # |
Well, I didn't mean that I wouldn't go for STR... that would just be silly. I was just wondering if I should ever give up any amount of Crit% for a piece with higher STR. When I rolled out with the build before, I found that around ~40% Crit was enough to sustain my fury, so I don't plan on making an compromises that would take me below that point (I'll probably settle closer to 45%), but once I'm above that point, is it ok to give up 1% here and there if it will add STR? I'm not expecting to get exact ratios, as I know that it depends on what you already have, but if the STR increase seems significant, would that be a positive or negative progress on the build?
I guess the same question goes for CD. Should I ever consider giving up any of my other key stats to increase CD, or do I just need to wait till I don't have to give up anything? |
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| Terranasaur United States. August 05 2012 15:39. Posts 962 | Profile # |
Hey guys. My Barb just pinged 60 and I have a few questions. I dropped about 500k on gear and am around 25k HP. 16k DPS. And 672 for my lowest resist. I use Frenzy, WW, WarCry, Ground Stomp, WotB, and Sprint... I've got no clue what Passives to choose, I don't really know where to go upgrades wise from here. I ran through Act 1 really easily. I think I died twice. Haven't really tried Act2 yet.
I've got a 100kDPS demon hunter that obviously can clear a hell of a lot faster, but dies all the time. My goal is to get my Barb comfortably in A3, but that seems like a long way off. Where do I need to be stats wise for that to be worth it? |
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| skyR Canada. August 05 2012 16:19. Posts 11356 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 13:56 Sylvr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I didn't mean that I wouldn't go for STR... that would just be silly. I was just wondering if I should ever give up any amount of Crit% for a piece with higher STR. When I rolled out with the build before, I found that around ~40% Crit was enough to sustain my fury, so I don't plan on making an compromises that would take me below that point (I'll probably settle closer to 45%), but once I'm above that point, is it ok to give up 1% here and there if it will add STR? I'm not expecting to get exact ratios, as I know that it depends on what you already have, but if the STR increase seems significant, would that be a positive or negative progress on the build?
I guess the same question goes for CD. Should I ever consider giving up any of my other key stats to increase CD, or do I just need to wait till I don't have to give up anything?
Yes, if you're at the point where you have infinite fury, you can sacrifice crit% if strength is a a bigger DPS increase.
On August 05 2012 15:39 Terranasaur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys. My Barb just pinged 60 and I have a few questions. I dropped about 500k on gear and am around 25k HP. 16k DPS. And 672 for my lowest resist. I use Frenzy, WW, WarCry, Ground Stomp, WotB, and Sprint... I've got no clue what Passives to choose, I don't really know where to go upgrades wise from here. I ran through Act 1 really easily. I think I died twice. Haven't really tried Act2 yet.
I've got a 100kDPS demon hunter that obviously can clear a hell of a lot faster, but dies all the time. My goal is to get my Barb comfortably in A3, but that seems like a long way off. Where do I need to be stats wise for that to be worth it?
Are you trying to be a tanky barb or a WW barb...?
If you're trying to be a tanky barb than you have the wrong skillset and your HP is way too low.
If you're trying to be a WW barb than get rid of ground stomp and your DPS needs to dramatically increase if you want to do it with 25k hp. |
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| Terranasaur United States. August 05 2012 17:18. Posts 962 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 16:19 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 13:56 Sylvr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I didn't mean that I wouldn't go for STR... that would just be silly. I was just wondering if I should ever give up any amount of Crit% for a piece with higher STR. When I rolled out with the build before, I found that around ~40% Crit was enough to sustain my fury, so I don't plan on making an compromises that would take me below that point (I'll probably settle closer to 45%), but once I'm above that point, is it ok to give up 1% here and there if it will add STR? I'm not expecting to get exact ratios, as I know that it depends on what you already have, but if the STR increase seems significant, would that be a positive or negative progress on the build?
I guess the same question goes for CD. Should I ever consider giving up any of my other key stats to increase CD, or do I just need to wait till I don't have to give up anything?
Yes, if you're at the point where you have infinite fury, you can sacrifice crit% if strength is a a bigger DPS increase.
Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 15:39 Terranasaur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys. My Barb just pinged 60 and I have a few questions. I dropped about 500k on gear and am around 25k HP. 16k DPS. And 672 for my lowest resist. I use Frenzy, WW, WarCry, Ground Stomp, WotB, and Sprint... I've got no clue what Passives to choose, I don't really know where to go upgrades wise from here. I ran through Act 1 really easily. I think I died twice. Haven't really tried Act2 yet.
I've got a 100kDPS demon hunter that obviously can clear a hell of a lot faster, but dies all the time. My goal is to get my Barb comfortably in A3, but that seems like a long way off. Where do I need to be stats wise for that to be worth it?
Are you trying to be a tanky barb or a WW barb...? If you're trying to be a tanky barb than you have the wrong skillset and your HP is way too low. If you're trying to be a WW barb than get rid of ground stomp and your DPS needs to dramatically increase if you want to do it with 25k hp.
Well. I'm trying to go WW, but my gear is cheap as hell. 500k total invested right now. I'm using a 900dps Blue Hammer main hand and have a shield, and a 780dps offhand spear with ~600LOH that I switch off and on. I don't know if Tank if more viable on a budget...
What should I swap for GS? I like the fury generation and CC it provides, but I see Battle Fury getting used pretty often.
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| skyR Canada. August 05 2012 17:27. Posts 11356 | Profile # |
| Battle Rage is required for WW, it's how you generate fury... how did you make it so far as a WW barb without it? -.- |
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| Sylvr United States. August 05 2012 17:33. Posts 524 | Profile # |
Er, I was under the impression that Battle Fury with Into the Fray rune was mandatory for the build to work since that is what's supposed to generate your fury (Crits off of Tornados and WW proc it continuously). Otherwise, how do you keep spinning and sprinting?
The basic build, as I understand it, is:
Bash: Instigation (Builds your initial Fury quickly, and is a good re-start if you stall out mid-spin. You can use Frenzy if you really want to)
WW: Hurricane (The rate that you spawn Tornados off of Sprint is based on distance traveled, so you need to move at full speed while you spin)
Battle Fury: Into the Fray (Crits give you Fury; you'll be critting a lot if your gear is right)
Sprint: Run like the Wind (Tornados hit continuously proc'ing your LOH and critting for Into the Fray procs)
Warcry: Impunity (Mandatory for all Barbs. If you don't use this, then you have to use too much of your gear potential to make up for the missing resists)
WotB: Thrive on Chaos (CC Immunity is pretty important since you need to keep moving to generate crits and LOH procs, though if you have enough DPS, you can probably use a different Rune. Thrive is just to ensure that WotB lasts as long as it needs to)
Passives:
Ruthless
Weapons Master
Your Choice (most people I see use something defensive) |
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