| Abraxas514 Canada. May 19 2012 02:38. Posts 407 | Profile Blog # |
A call to moderators:
The title of the OP should be "Quebec students on strike". Quebec on strike implied a solidarity with the students which I can assure you, for the vast majority of Montrealers, does NOT exist. |
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| Eti307 Canada. May 19 2012 02:39. Posts 3334 | Profile Blog # |
On May 19 2012 02:32 Ben... wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
So? I pay $2800/term + $200 in fees + $500 for books, twice a year. You don't see how ridiculous this seems to the rest of the country? Plus next year it will be $3000/term for classes because tuition increased again (Yet you don't see students rioting anywhere else about this).
do you get any financial help? how much will you earn when you finish? how much tax is retained from each pay you get? You gotta have the whole picture. |
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| Heat_023 Canada. May 19 2012 02:41. Posts 64 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:20 Kich wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:12 Heat_023 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
The way they voted whether the associations were on strike or not was the biggest joke in the world. I am personally ashamed of these strikes and don't support them at all.
Yet 200 000 people went out in the streets of Montreal. I can understand that some people are against the strike but I cannot see how this is a joke. It is a serious crisis because a huge part of the population does not share the views of the government and the voice of these people is being shut down.
It's being shut down because it's objectively childish and immature of them to assume they shouldn't have to pay what other people pay in Canada..
It is nowhere near "objectively" determined. I don't see what you mean ! This is something that the government keeps doing : treating the students as if they were mindless children playing games. |
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| McFeser United States. May 19 2012 02:42. Posts 2452 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
What the fuck? I pay 1500 Hundred a quarter for my school and I go to one of the cheaper ones. When I transfer to Washington State University it's going to be 20 grand a year.Last edit: 2012-05-19 02:44:22 |
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| Bluepancho France. May 19 2012 02:43. Posts 27 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:32 Ben... wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
So? I pay $2800/term + $200 in fees + $500 for books (Actually it was $700 last term as the books I needed were not common and thus kinda pricey), twice a year. You don't see how ridiculous this seems to the rest of the country? Plus next year it will be $3000/term for classes because tuition increased again (Yet you don't see students rioting anywhere else about this).
Well why aren't you on strike then ? You seem to find all of this quite expensive and it is going up again.Last edit: 2012-05-19 02:44:05 |
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| 1Eris1 United States. May 19 2012 02:44. Posts 5797 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:43 Bluepancho wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:32 Ben... wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
So? I pay $2800/term + $200 in fees + $500 for books (Actually it was $700 last term as the books I needed were not common and thus kinda pricey), twice a year. You don't see how ridiculous this seems to the rest of the country? Plus next year it will be $3000/term for classes because tuition increased again (Yet you don't see students rioting anywhere else about this).
Well why aren't you on strike then ? You seem to find all of this quite expensive and it is going up again. Also you support free education but feel no sympathy for them ? You feel no sympathy for people that have the same goals as you simply because their situation is better ? They didn't get there because somehow the government decided it would be like that. They fought for it !
There is no such thing as free education. Someone always has to pay. If these tuition prices are not hiked, then the government will collect less money and possibly be forced to raise taxes. |
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| k!llua Australia. May 19 2012 02:45. Posts 892 | Profile Blog # |
On May 19 2012 01:42 crazyweasel wrote:
basically our province government decided to higher our tuition fees of 75%. We fight for the cancellation of this policy AND for FREE acces to superior scholarship such as colleges and universities.
Discuss and if you support this movement please tweet/facebook and let the world know about this.
We tried free university access in Australia back in the 70s
It was awesome.
Then we realised we were sending the country broke because there was no way in hell we could afford to pay for it.
Tell me: do you seriously believe your country can afford for you to have free tertiary education?
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| bonifaceviii Canada. May 19 2012 02:45. Posts 2841 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:43 Bluepancho wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:32 Ben... wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
So? I pay $2800/term + $200 in fees + $500 for books (Actually it was $700 last term as the books I needed were not common and thus kinda pricey), twice a year. You don't see how ridiculous this seems to the rest of the country? Plus next year it will be $3000/term for classes because tuition increased again (Yet you don't see students rioting anywhere else about this).
Well why aren't you on strike then ? You seem to find all of this quite expensive and it is going up again.
If my education didn't pay itself off within a few years then I'd be striking.
Education is well worth the price in Canada; it's not a conspiracy to put everybody in debt bondage. |
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| McFeser United States. May 19 2012 02:47. Posts 2452 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:43 Bluepancho wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:32 Ben... wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
So? I pay $2800/term + $200 in fees + $500 for books (Actually it was $700 last term as the books I needed were not common and thus kinda pricey), twice a year. You don't see how ridiculous this seems to the rest of the country? Plus next year it will be $3000/term for classes because tuition increased again (Yet you don't see students rioting anywhere else about this).
Well why aren't you on strike then ? You seem to find all of this quite expensive and it is going up again.
Personally, I wouldn't go on strike because I don't want taxpayers expenses that I can easily get a loan for. Also, college teachers are under paid and I don't want to advocate a situation where their pay is decreased. I can't speak for the person that you are asking, but I'm fine taking a 40 grand loan and paying that off over the years.
But if the costs of Tuition is 350 a year in quebec, wells that's practically free where I am from, and it seems ridiculous to be angry over an increase like that. |
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| Nyarly France. May 19 2012 02:48. Posts 850 | Profile Blog # |
On May 19 2012 02:44 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:43 Bluepancho wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:32 Ben... wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
So? I pay $2800/term + $200 in fees + $500 for books (Actually it was $700 last term as the books I needed were not common and thus kinda pricey), twice a year. You don't see how ridiculous this seems to the rest of the country? Plus next year it will be $3000/term for classes because tuition increased again (Yet you don't see students rioting anywhere else about this).
Well why aren't you on strike then ? You seem to find all of this quite expensive and it is going up again. Also you support free education but feel no sympathy for them ? You feel no sympathy for people that have the same goals as you simply because their situation is better ? They didn't get there because somehow the government decided it would be like that. They fought for it !
There is no such thing as free education. Someone always has to pay. If these tuition prices are not hiked, then the government will collect less money and possibly be forced to raise taxes.
Education is free until 18 in france and then if you're "poor" it's also free after 18.
And imo education should always be free.
You government should help you if you want to study, not ask money first.
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| Promethelax Canada. May 19 2012 02:49. Posts 5230 | Profile # |
| I have to say, as hard as it is becoming for us here in Canada I came from the US, I got into schools that cost 50+ grand a year in the sates but the School I came to in Canada cost about 17k a year. It is hard for me to justify my anger at tuition hikes here. |
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 CaptainCrush United States. May 19 2012 02:49. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
On May 19 2012 02:36 Thratur wrote:
Can we guys stop with the bad approximations? It's 2168$ going up to 3793$, per year. (increasing over 5 years)
I'm tired of all this misinformation. I don't care what your view is, but stop exagerating it to fit your argument.
Thank you.
If this is true, then this is BY FAR the dumbest strike I have ever heard about. Here in the US, I went to a state supported school and still payed over 10k a semester for tuition and books. Sounds like a bunch of spoiled children if you ask me.
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| Sufficiency Canada. May 19 2012 02:53. Posts 7340 | Profile Blog # |
| Education in Quebec is DIIIIRRRRRTTT cheap. I support Harper for this move (even though I don't trust him in general). People need to suck it up. |
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| Eti307 Canada. May 19 2012 02:54. Posts 3334 | Profile Blog # |
| Numbers are irrevelant if you compare completely different governments |
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| McFeser United States. May 19 2012 02:54. Posts 2452 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:48 Nyarly wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 02:44 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:43 Bluepancho wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:32 Ben... wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:29 Eti307 wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:26 Rassy wrote:
These students pay 200$ (and now 350$ after the 75% hike) for a full year of college.
The whole world pays 2-4k tuition fee a year to study.
It is difficult to feel much sympathy even though i support their demand for completely free education.
No. University students pay around 1200-1300$ for a term + 200$ inscription fee + 300-500$ for the books. twice a year.
So? I pay $2800/term + $200 in fees + $500 for books (Actually it was $700 last term as the books I needed were not common and thus kinda pricey), twice a year. You don't see how ridiculous this seems to the rest of the country? Plus next year it will be $3000/term for classes because tuition increased again (Yet you don't see students rioting anywhere else about this).
Well why aren't you on strike then ? You seem to find all of this quite expensive and it is going up again. Also you support free education but feel no sympathy for them ? You feel no sympathy for people that have the same goals as you simply because their situation is better ? They didn't get there because somehow the government decided it would be like that. They fought for it !
There is no such thing as free education. Someone always has to pay. If these tuition prices are not hiked, then the government will collect less money and possibly be forced to raise taxes.
Education is free until 18 in france and then if you're "poor" it's also free after 18. And imo education should always be free.
Yeah, but your government/province doesn't waste money as fruitfully as ours do. My state has one of the highest deficits and the highest college attendance rate (And one of the higher tax rates). I don't see a scenario where your lovely situation could become a reality.Last edit: 2012-05-19 02:57:37 |
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| psychopat Canada. May 19 2012 02:55. Posts 365 | Profile # |
I'm not a Quebec resident but I'm over the border like 3-4 times a week...
As someone from the rest of Canada, the tuition fees seem fairly tame. Even with the 75% hike, you're still lower than every other province/territory in the country. The way Charest is refusing to address the issue is ludicrous; I doubt he ever sees another term. The education minister also resigned so that Charest could put in a (my opinion, of course) dumb yes-woman in her place, knowing he'd pass the ridiculous law to flat out end the school year the next day anyway. That's not how you address a problem; that's purely "I'm taking my ball and going home... Screw you guys."
Both sides have been acting stupid. The student demands range from wanting a lot of the funding being redirected from university advertising to teachers, reallocating research funding, wage/hiring freeze on administrators (whose salaries have exploded lately). That's seemingly well informed and somewhat respectable. Demanding free education is just as ridiculous as Charest is, though. Even the tuition freeze demand is pushing it... Quebec tuition was frozen at 540$/year until 1990, then frozen at 1668$/year from '94 to 2007. It's been going up by 100$/year since, which is still lower than what I had to pay for a single semester.
edit: And on a lighter note, in response to this:
I'm really sorry but i can't take french canadians seriously, the accent... :')
I hope your government does...
I once dated a French girl. I couldn't understand a word she said because of her accent. She sometimes had trouble picking out my accent. We just spoke English instead... lol. Oddly enough, she didn't have the accent in English.Last edit: 2012-05-19 03:03:07 |
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| ScaryOlive Canada. May 19 2012 02:55. Posts 118 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't see the point of comparing the prices of tutions fees across Quebec, Canada the world. The world does not have to be and is not the same everywhere, a lot of things vary from B.C to France to Quebec, from economy to culture. It is like comparing Oranges and Apples. |
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| bonifaceviii Canada. May 19 2012 02:55. Posts 2841 | Profile # |
On May 19 2012 02:54 Eti307 wrote:
Numbers are irrevelant if you compare completely different governments
Until the time that Quebec separates, it's not irrelevant to compare them to the rest of Canada. |
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| Nick_54 United States. May 19 2012 02:55. Posts 2114 | Profile Blog # |
Honestly the one thing I've learned from this thread, the US studend loan forgiveness thread, and many others is that peoples opinions really depend on whos ox is getting gored.
I'm sure a few of the people bashing Quebec right now were pro US student loan forigveness. |
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| Thratur Canada. May 19 2012 02:56. Posts 908 | Profile Blog # |
On May 19 2012 02:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Education in Quebec is DIIIIRRRRRTTT cheap. I support Harper for this move (even though I don't trust him in general). People need to suck it up.
Harper has nothing to do with this. The government of Quebc is the one making this change. |
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