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| HughMyron May 20 2012 10:55. Posts 90 | Profile # |
Surprised the Bull doesn't have one of these yet, so I decided to make one.
Synopsis:
Alistar is a support tank that can either jungle or go bot. His ability to CC an enemy is nonpareil, but he suffers from low lategame damage and getting countered by high uptime CC and true damage.
Skills:
Passive: Trample
A pretty good passive, in my opinion. Here's why:
- Ignoring unit collision helps you position for your CC's.
- The Trample Damage is useful in jungling, pushing, and fighting.
- You can watch the Trample timer (2 seconds) to help you maximize Sheen Procs huehuehue.
Q: Pulverize
One of the best non-ultimate spells in the game. Use it to CC dudes in teamfights, protect your carry, secure ganks, blah blah. Max this first for the cooldown reduction and the AoE DPS. See below for information on how to W/Q.
Also, this spell makes Alistar a level 1 beast. So enemy teams will be less likely to invade a Jungle Alistar than they would an Amumu.
W: Headbutt
In ganks, you'll use this to push enemies into favorable places (or to setup W/Qs if you can't manage that). In teamfights, you'll probably use this to protect your carry, and occasionally push enemies into a bad position.
Also, you can Headbutt minions, which may be useful as an escape tool!
E: Triumphant Roar
Minor heal that helps you in lane sustain.
I think its main purpose is to proc Sheen and Trample though.
R: Unbreakable Will
One of the hardest spells to use. You don't want to waste it by using it early, but it's also pointless to use it late (and I always do huehue). In ganks, this spell lets you run from behind enemy towers, since you can always use it to break out of a CC the enemy might try to use against you. In fights, use this, besides the damage reduction, for the extra AD.
Don't get poked down and baited into ulting for no reason.
Skilling Order:
Q, W, E, R>Q>W>E.
Max Q first for cooldown reduction, farming, AoE damage. Then max W for cooldown reduction. You can put a few more points into E if you're having some trouble laning for whatever reason.
Runes:
AS (or ArPen or AD) Marks
- AS clears jungle slightly faster (I think)
- ArPen does more damage against low Armor targets, and makes your Sheen procs stronger.
- AD makes you push and farm better.
Flat Armor Seals
- Avoid getting beaten up by AD Carries and Jangle creeps.
MR/Level Glyphs
- Flat MR can be useful against strong earlygame casters.
- AS if you are a real bull who doesn't afraid of anything. 4Not OneBadBrad uses these.
- But if you use AS against Double AP you're a tard.
Movespeed Quints
- Don't be cheap. Alistar needs the positioning help.
- Gold/10 also works on Support Alistar.
Summoner Spells:
Smite/Flash if jungling, CV/Flash or Exhaust/Flash if laning.
If you don't get Flash on Alistar you are noob.
Masteries:
0/9/21 for Support, 21/9/0 or 0/21/9 for Jungle. Player's choice really.
Builds:
Start:
Boots/3 Pots if jungling, Fairy Charm/Vision Ward/2xGreen Ward/1 Pot if supporting.
Build: Philo/HoG, and ALWAYS buy lots of wards. Buy Oracles when you think you can afford it (earlier if you're jungling, enemy is putting up lots of wards, or enemy has a stealth hero). Buy Sheen when you want the extra Deeps.
Endgame Items:
Shurelia Reverie: If you don't buy this you're a derp. You need the active for positioning and supporting.
Frozen Heart: The Other must-have CDR option on Alistar.
Randuin's Omen: You get this for the active. FH is better on Alistar.
Trinity Force: DPS and positioning.
Force of Nature: Good against poke teams, help you position.
But always stack Wards and try to keep up Oracles 
Jungle Alistar:
Start Wolves/Blue, look for ganks starting at level 2. Focus on ganking, only clear camps when you either don't see any ganks, or need levels. Ganking with Alistar is tricky to get down, it's hard to write about. Try to watch the Featured Games, there's practically always a 2000+ Elo Jungle Alistar on the list.
If your blue gets stolen, do Wraith/Wolves to get to level 2 and proceed normally. Get a Fairy Charm earlier than usual too. This has never happened to me yet because Alistar's level 1 is strong. Usually, YOU'RE the one invading.
Support Alistar:
Hide in the bush and heal your carry. Use your CC to protect your carry from enemy ganks/attacks, or to zone enemies and set up attacks of your own.
Alistar tends to work well with offensive laners like Jarvan, Pantheon, Blitzcrank, Graves, Corki, etc.
Also, since you have less farm than the Jungle Alistar, you need to play safer in teamfights. You will have a pretty strict role of carry protector (Jungle Alistar usually does this too, but he can play more offensively since he has items, and you don't).
How to W/Q:
If you don't smartcast it.
-Attempt to position yourself at max Headbutt range. It works below it, but it's harder to time the animations.
-Use Headbutt. Make sure you use Headbutt first. It's easier if the enemy is inside Headbutt range when you click, because then there is no delay until the animation starts.
-This is the tricky part: while in mid-animation, press Q. You only need to click it once, but there's no penalty for mashing it.
-The end result should be you arriving at the opponent and stunning him.
-If you pressed Q too early, Alistar will use Q and not W. If you pressed too late, Alistar will Headbutt the champ away and Pulverize thin air.
-If you pressed it exactly, the opponent, when Pulverized, will seem to move towards you as they get stunned.
Only use this if you have no other way of reaching your opponent to Q (and don't want to burn Flash/Shurelia).
About Me:
I'm not that great at LoL (1500 player S1 on Rocketball, took a long break for work/MCAT study/school crap). But I hope I've taught you something about Alistar huehuehue.
Alistar Resources:
To be added laterLast edit: 2012-05-29 12:50:55 |
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| HughMyron May 28 2012 11:56. Posts 90 | Profile # |
It's been over a week, so I'm gonna bump this.
Then again, Ali will probably take some nerfs next patch given his permaban status in the Invitational. |
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| Alaric France. May 28 2012 17:13. Posts 8753 | Profile # |
If that was the case, Jax would have already been nerfed too. 
It took a bit longer to actually nerf Sona and Janna, and both where first pick/ban status at a major tournament before that. |
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| Jojo131 Philippines. May 28 2012 17:36. Posts 1312 | Profile # | |
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| brolaf May 28 2012 20:19. Posts 219 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 11:56 HughMyron wrote:
It's been over a week, so I'm gonna bump this.
Then again, Ali will probably take some nerfs next patch given his permaban status in the Invitational.
Really..? Soraka and Janna were the top picks in isl4 and hanover so how it changed |
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| zulu_nation8 China. May 28 2012 20:58. Posts 18693 | Profile Blog # |
| ali jungle is borderline OP at higher level play. |
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| Shiv. May 28 2012 22:19. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
| Great OP, I like it. Contains a lot of info without being too clustered. Only criticism I have is the fact you say his ability to CC people is nonpareil, while Nautilus does a better and more reliant job at keeping fools where they belong. Other than that, no criticism. |
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| HughMyron May 29 2012 03:33. Posts 90 | Profile # |
That link is nearly a year and a half old, and completely outdated in terms of current Alistar theory. It's time to start over IMO. |
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| brolaf May 29 2012 04:15. Posts 219 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 20:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
ali jungle is borderline OP at higher level play.
I dont understand.. i thought the pro meta was to take a jungler that can farm as fast as possible as ganking is hard and inefficient at their level, so farming to compensate for that is best. But ali is terrible at farming and doesnt scale well offensively |
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| Dgiese United States. May 29 2012 04:26. Posts 1142 | Profile # |
| He means high elo solo q, not tourney play. Ali jungle is ridiculous at every elo, if u can find 1 smart teammate to take advantage of your ganks, or 1 dumb enemy that refuses to respect that you can gank from anywhere, including behind their tower. |
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| Futabot United States. May 29 2012 05:02. Posts 33 | Profile # | |
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| Sponkz Denmark. May 29 2012 07:13. Posts 797 | Profile # |
Just gonna post some shizzle about support ali, since it's still viable and useful despite his status as cow king of the jungle.
Runes:
Flat armor marks - BiS since you'll be going bot-lane. You're a melee, you're gonna take hits and creep damage.
Flat armor seals - Same as marks. Highest valued seals and standard on like every role nowadays.
Glyphs - Either flat mres or scaling mres. Whatever you desire if up to you, but personally i stick with flat mres because of the threat some supports can be in lane (leona, sona, blitz)
Quints - Gp10. Pretty self explanatory
I wouldn't recommend trying on with the combination of 2 ms quints, 1 gp10 quint, 8 gp10 seals and 1 armor seal on the cow, because you're already weak enough in lane, especially against heavy harassers like kog, graves and sivir.
Masteries and summoners:
Atm i'm keen on 1/6/23 http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-3-0-4-3-0-4-0-0-0-4-0-0-3-1
It gives you all the needed stuff in the utility tree aswell as extra armor+mres. Do NOT underestimate awareness on supports, you're going to be behind in levels in general as you won't be farming and laning phase isn't the entire game.
If you plan on playing arranged i recommend taking 2 points away from either hardiness or resistance and get wealth. You could take 2 points from awareness aswell. Having an extra ward at lvl 1 helps you secure your jungle without having to sacrifice the typical tri-brush/lane-brush/dragon control that you will need for the first minutes of the game.
Flash/exhaust. Flash is a must, exhaust is just good for saving your carry and securing kills.
Skill order and item build:
Go either QEWQ or QWEQ then R > Q > E > W. You can do a QEWE or QWEE then R > E > Q > W if you plan on having more sustain for your support, but the damage from Q really helps with ganks and burst.
Start items is either boots+2 wards or faerie charm+3 wards+2 pots (4 if you got wealth). Get philo -> hog along with boots 1 before the game progresses too far. Make sure to always ward, buy wards and get oracles if required.
Laning phase:
Make sure to always have lane-brush control. On alistar, and other melee supports, this is needed to a much larger degree
simply because you can't trade with ranged champs. It also helps a ton when your jungler comes because it will make your WQ easier to hit. Try to have as much presence as you can against weaker lanes (soraka+carry, support+ashe).
Also you're the best counter against blitz. Q'ing when he grabs is stronk. |
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| HughMyron May 29 2012 12:46. Posts 90 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 04:26 Dgiese wrote:
He means high elo solo q, not tourney play. Ali jungle is ridiculous at every elo, if u can find 1 smart teammate to take advantage of your ganks, or 1 dumb enemy that refuses to respect that you can gank from anywhere, including behind their tower.
Alistar was permabanned in the Solomid Invitational recently. |
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