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| Soma Cruz United States. May 21 2012 03:00. Posts 209 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:35 GaliX wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:35 imMUTAble787 wrote:
$20 gets you more hours of content than Diablo3
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soo true...
Weird... I have like 40 hours in it already. :/ Only in Act 1 Hell |
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 ashortstory Brazil. May 21 2012 03:00. Posts 160 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 03:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
Anyways, ZvZ haters look out, if those three players cannot convince you of its beauty, then you are lost!
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| L3g3nd_ New Zealand. May 21 2012 03:00. Posts 9595 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:53 ashortstory wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:48 ashortstory wrote:
Seriously, why do you guys hate ZXZ and say it`s boring?
I honestly don`t get it. ZXZ is probably the most intense matchup of the whole game. Early game is based on pure micro. The best one with the best micro wins, simply as that. It`s not based on luck (some say it is, but in fact it is not if you scout properly) but on your own skills. I love ling / baneling fights, the decision making of each player to see how they can maximize the damage and stuff like that.
Mid game you need to find the balance between units and drones, really awesome again to see the decision making. What about mid-late game? Infestors play is AWESOME, and it`s even better when there are INFESTORS DROP or INFESTORS BURROWED, if you guys haven`t see that, give it a shot, It`s awesome and I hope we can see some infestor heavily playstyle!
I'm curious if you're saying that as a zerg player or not, because in all of my ZvZ experience its pretty much exclusively luck based.
Im high master terran, although I play zerg sometimes and I think its mid master level.. And how come you say its "exclusively luck"? That seems a little bit arrogant, honestly. You can scout properly now with the overlord speed and even before it was just fine.. I mean, if you`re 15 hatch and he`s going 10 pool, sure, you may be behind, but its not like its IMPOSSIBLE to beat that, I`ve seen players like TSL Ryun dominating a guy who went 10 pool.. And Ryun went 15 hatch 17 pool..
Theres also at any given point in the game the "I droned up, oh look he made some lings/roaches well this has been fun". Of course you can scout basic things (tech structures/base count/ect) but unless youre giving up massive amounts of overlords you arent going to know just how many units theyve been making. Then theres like you said early game build order wins (to which there are almost too many options)
good players dont blindly make drones, they know all the timings etc and what they can get away with. there is NO luck in sc2 if you want to play safe, however, a lot of players choose to take big risks. |
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| Lasbike France. May 21 2012 03:00. Posts 2833 | Profile # |
| Gogogo Stephano, you can do it ! |
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| Pandain United States. May 21 2012 03:00. Posts 5827 | Profile Blog # |
On May 21 2012 02:59 Dupens wrote:
I found restream. Where i should report it?
MLG staff
PM this guy it, I've done it with a couple myself. |
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| Floyd29 France. May 21 2012 03:01. Posts 64 | Profile # |
| Symbol win the Mlg. I called it. |
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| WestToast May 21 2012 03:01. Posts 18 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:58 Derrida wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.
Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy.
Please expand, because from my point of view, it seem as if you are just happy to be flied there and get paid by MLG.
The MLG Arenas are amongst the best tournaments around. Dreamhacks are nice, but do not have anywhere near the player quality found in MLG Arenas.
Please take your trolling to Reddit. |
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| SCST Mexico. May 21 2012 03:01. Posts 970 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:49 SCST wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:44 FabledIntegral wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:41 ntssauce wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:38 Pandain wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:24 Mondieu wrote:
I'd love to watch this if it was free.*wink*
I'd love to have free UFC events live.
I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run.
Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight.
oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports"
No actually. If you have a PPV event of this high quality, then people (if they can't get restreams) will want to watch so bad that they'll just realize its worth it for 20 dollars. Saying "oh, but I just wouldn't have watched" is a horrible argument because in reality all you contribute is an increased societal faith in restreams, and the willingness to hurt esports just for your personal pleasure.
quote TB : If you pirate the stream, you're not a customer anyway so you're not worth paying any attention to. The kind of people that watch restreams either can't afford it in the first place so there's no lost sale there or won't pay for it in which case they were never part of your potential market anyway.
There's so much shit that people would pay for if they couldn't get it free. They are potential customers, they simply don't pay because they can get it for free. That's an absolutely terrible argument. There's a ridiculous amount of people for example that have bought SC2 because they couldn't pirate it to play online. People have pirated a ton of shit that I'm sure they would have bought otherwise, myself included. And I would say this is the norm. People who say otherwise are often deluding themselves.
All the pirating convo is irrelevant. Pirating has been going on, and will always continue going on. People can bitch and moan endlessly and it won't change anything. Just like the drug war, when there is demand someone will always supply. Completely useless trying to stop it, so why waste time/resources making it a big deal? The only reason that some people go pyscho over it on TL is because they have some kind of moral hard-on that needs tending to every so often.
I think it's completely silly to say you can't fight pirating. If the government can trace you, they can find out, and companies can sue you for it. They've won in the past, what's to say they can't in the future? And by the sums of money they seem to get from these suits, they can even make their profits that way. Suing people. And that will lead to people becoming more scared, reducing the amount of piracy. Both my roommates have stopped pirating simply because they're scared the government will crack down. So to say it doesn't have an effect is silly. Maybe you can't stop it, but I fully believe you can curb it.
The fact that you're even trying to argue that government or authority has any chance of dissuading people from pirating shows incredible ignorance. This same argument has been used time and again by idiots wasting money and lives on the drug war, prohibition and prostitution. Sure, your two friends may be scared of downloading, just like two of my friends stopped using marijuana for a month due to paranoia. Does this little "issue" add up to anything signifigant regarding the sale and demand for marijuana?
There are literally millions of torrents, millions, with tens of millions of people downloading every day. Prosecutions are infinitesimal relative to the crimes. You really think that arresting 12 people over the course of a year will dissuade over 100 million people from pirating content? Get real.
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| ntssauce Germany. May 21 2012 03:01. Posts 469 | Profile # |
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| FakeDeath Malaysia. May 21 2012 03:01. Posts 3964 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 03:01 Floyd29 wrote:
Symbol win the Mlg. I called it.
I think so too. Although he is coming out from the loser's bracket, i still think he can win. |
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| Azarkon United States. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 8044 | Profile # |
Violet not responding to the gl hf :|
EDIT: Did he gl hf first?Last edit: 2012-05-21 03:02:30 |
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| chipmonklord17 United States. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 2352 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:59 tranmillitary wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:53 Jaegeru wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:48 tranmillitary wrote:
as a toss, i hate vs any zerg.
Roaches are the most cost effective unit in the game. you can get so many out in very little time. As much as terran hates toss late game, toss hates zergs period. at least a terran can win mid game, toss can't win early, mid, or late game vs zerg.
Roaches are extremely supply inefficient, I love it when I see zergs going roaches - they are only decent for a limited amount of time until protoss get his super army out.
are you gold??? they can max out on roaches in just over 10 mins, even if you cut probe production you can't be over 140 supply with gateway units, less if your techin to collos. supply inefficient?? you seriously haven't played much.. or in a low league
are you aware of what supply inefficient means? Roaches are one of if not the most supply inefficient units all game. Sure you can max on them in about 12ish minutes but if the toss has been making immortals (as they should if they know mass roach is coming) and have over 4 or so, that roach army is extremely hardpressed to do a damn thing. That 140 supply is more than capable of taking out a maxed zerg who is using only roaches |
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| mrtomjones Canada. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 3878 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.
Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy.
He must want this to be the pinnacle of what ESports will turn into someday in the future. Unless people are willing to pay to watch and not have everything fed on platter to them, then it will never grow too far beyond what it is now  |
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| dragonborn May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 3757 | Profile # |
top 8
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i guess both teams are happy with partnership :D |
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| Mosquitow England. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 476 | Profile # | |
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| purgerinho Croatia. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 628 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:51 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:47 purgerinho wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:42 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:37 ohampatu wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:35 ntssauce wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:29 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:27 Thomanson wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:24 Mondieu wrote:
I'd love to watch this if it was free.*wink*
I'd love to have free UFC events live.
I'm surprised people think the tournament would happen if it was free. These EXTRA events exist because they are PPV and are extremely expensive to run.
Exactly. People watching restreams are killing esports. And not joking. If you're not supporting via ads or ppv buys, you are dead weight.
oh so there is a difference if i don't watch at all or watch a restream? you can maybe say that about restreamers. But i guess most of people that watch restream wouldn't have paid after all and are watching it only because there is a restream , i doubt they are "killing esports"
Piracy doesn't kill esports. Just like it doesn't kill the sales of video games. The people who pirate wouldn't have paid anyway, they would have just went without.
And that's the issue. The people who wouldn't have paid anyway, obviously don't find it worth their money. In that case they shouldn't get it. If they grew up and learned to make value choices like mature adults, we'd all be better off. Product providers would have to be more responsible if we were all informed mature consumers. (Because the opposite of the pirate is the blind consumer, who also hurts the market)
not true if there was no piracy I would never buy broodwar of sc2 - never.. those games, football manager and PES series are only games I have ever bought.. if there was no piracy I would never know for so many tv shows.. piracy is killing e-sport? broodwar is still alive and all of the streams (and vods) were FREE ALL THE TIME and I just want to know does MLG pays to TLnet for free commercial? I mean, we have a link for a stream that costs 20$.
Paying for free commercial? Come on, proofread or something..and yes, if an event is PPV and it is being advertised in the stream bar it means they have payed a certain sum of money.
ok,ok, when I'm mad my english is much worse than usually...
I just hate to see PPV streams and people saying it is great for e-sports. It is awful thing.
If you look for long term thing you will provide something for free and then you will earn from commercials
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| ceaRshaf Romania. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 4884 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 03:01 WestToast wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:58 Derrida wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.
Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy.
Please expand, because from my point of view, it seem as if you are just happy to be flied there and get paid by MLG.
The MLG Arenas are amongst the best tournaments around. Dreamhacks are nice, but do not have anywhere near the player quality found in MLG Arenas. Please take your trolling to Reddit.
Lol, "not even near." This lineup is not the sickest out there sorry. And not agreeing to the general opinion is not trolling. Leave him alone. |
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| L3g3nd_ New Zealand. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 9595 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 03:01 WestToast wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:58 Derrida wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:55 Polox wrote:
How much exposure does mlg arenas get compared to dreamhack? How many viewers? How many NEW viewers? I doubt i need to go any further with this.
Yeah you do because your logic is awful and full of fallacy.
Please expand, because from my point of view, it seem as if you are just happy to be flied there and get paid by MLG.
The MLG Arenas are amongst the best tournaments around. Dreamhacks are nice, but do not have anywhere near the player quality found in MLG Arenas. Please take your trolling to Reddit.
yeah i personally dont enjoy Dreamhacks much, MLG has the star power in the koreans which is what i prefer (due to the PPV and them being able to fly koreans over)
I pay for MLG and watch it all, and dont watch dreamhack |
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| clusen Germany. May 21 2012 03:02. Posts 4939 | Profile # |
On May 21 2012 02:59 tranmillitary wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 02:53 Jaegeru wrote:
On May 21 2012 02:48 tranmillitary wrote:
as a toss, i hate vs any zerg.
Roaches are the most cost effective unit in the game. you can get so many out in very little time. As much as terran hates toss late game, toss hates zergs period. at least a terran can win mid game, toss can't win early, mid, or late game vs zerg.
Roaches are extremely supply inefficient, I love it when I see zergs going roaches - they are only decent for a limited amount of time until protoss get his super army out.
are you gold??? they can max out on roaches in just over 10 mins, even if you cut probe production you can't be over 140 supply with gateway units, less if your techin to collos. supply inefficient?? you seriously haven't played much.. or in a low league
I think you don't know what "supply inefficient" means.
That roaches boost your supply count that much is what he is talking about - a maxed roach army is extremely weak compared to any other army with a similar supply count, a 150 supply Toss army wins against them with decent positioning |
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