| baubo China. May 22 2012 16:51. Posts 3265 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up  . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.
How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.
From a winning standpoint, I agree. But when your core audience is mainly hold-overs BW viewers, it's kind of lame. I think viewers would prefer watching a mediocre SC2 game and a good BW game from Stats, than an good SC2 game but horrible BW game from Lizzy/Acacia. |
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| Dante08 Singapore. May 22 2012 16:51. Posts 1732 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote:
id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first
that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks
im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks"
How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making. |
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| IshinShishi Japan. May 22 2012 16:51. Posts 3610 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:51 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:50 forsooth wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 VENDIZ wrote:
Hmm, I have yet to see a decent terran play in PL.. I get that it's a new game for them, but the protoss & zerg players have shown themselves from a lot better side than the terrans.
Skyhigh looked pretty competent in the TvT he played.
Yeah Skyhigh looked good too, at least in TvT. He crushed Sea pretty badly.
Skyhigh looked worse than reality, sea played really really bad. |
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| Caihead Canada. May 22 2012 16:52. Posts 5744 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 16:50 PhoenixDark wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:47 [17]Purple wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 PhoenixDark wrote:
This is like first GSL quality play, and even that would be generous. Clearly they need some time to learn the game
You obviously did not see the Carriers during the first day
I didn't, what happened? I'd imagine the opponent must have done something wrong to lose to Carriers though
zerg didn't crush the protoss during toss ground army absence after scouting two port voidray / carrier follow up and let the toss go up to 3 bases with carriers. |
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| Jumbled May 22 2012 16:52. Posts 1463 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
this isn't even fair lol
KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service
That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service. |
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| a9arnn United States. May 22 2012 16:52. Posts 1347 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.
How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.
It's not actually cheating (hence the "essentially"), they're just using people that have probably played little to no BW ever, it just seems pretty cheap to me :/ |
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| N.geNuity United States. May 22 2012 16:52. Posts 3239 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:50 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
kt has a plan going. i doubt their sc2 players even touch any bw.
for bw bo3, aim to get 2-0 so lizzy and acacia does not need to appear.
week a: flash, action, lizzy
week a+1: hoejja, stats, acacia
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| calvinL Canada. May 22 2012 16:52. Posts 405 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:48 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:47 IshinShishi wrote:
We are back to terrans not knowing how to split, expect 20% win ratio vs zerg.
-.- don't judge bw pros on ACE, piano is terrible
Piano is probably 10x better than Acacia and Lizzy combined in BW though. |
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| xxpack09 United States. May 22 2012 16:52. Posts 1802 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 16:51 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.
How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.
From a winning standpoint, I agree. But when your core audience is mainly hold-overs BW viewers, it's kind of lame. I think viewers would prefer watching a mediocre SC2 game and a good BW game from Stats, than an good SC2 game but horrible BW game from Lizzy/Acacia.
Blame KeSPA for making the ace match sc2 instead of BW... |
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| Kergy Peru. May 22 2012 16:52. Posts 1533 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.
How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.
I think he means that KT can rely on fresh blood that's playing SC2 full time, Ace can't do that |
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| Megakenny Canada. May 22 2012 16:53. Posts 792 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 16:51 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.
How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.
From a winning standpoint, I agree. But when your core audience is mainly hold-overs BW viewers, it's kind of lame. I think viewers would prefer watching a mediocre SC2 game and a good BW game from Stats, than an good SC2 game but horrible BW game from Lizzy/Acacia.
Oh, yeah. From a BW viewers standpoint I can see that. Obviously some of the games now are going to be complete shit so they can get those guys back to the SC2 side of things. |
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| Ender2701 United States. May 22 2012 16:53. Posts 501 | Profile Blog # |
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| raga4ka Bulgaria. May 22 2012 16:53. Posts 5042 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:52 xxpack09 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:51 baubo wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.
How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.
From a winning standpoint, I agree. But when your core audience is mainly hold-overs BW viewers, it's kind of lame. I think viewers would prefer watching a mediocre SC2 game and a good BW game from Stats, than an good SC2 game but horrible BW game from Lizzy/Acacia.
Blame KeSPA for making the ace match sc2 instead of BW...
They should have rotated the ACE match just like the players . |
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| Incanus Canada. May 22 2012 16:53. Posts 597 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:52 Jumbled wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
this isn't even fair lol
KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service
That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service.
As far as I know, the Kespa teams are a closed system for now... ACE will only take players from Kespa BW/SC2 teams. |
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| MrCon France. May 22 2012 16:53. Posts 20817 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:51 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:48 Dodgin wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 VENDIZ wrote:
Hmm, I have yet to see a decent terran play in PL.. I get that it's a new game for them, but the protoss & zerg players have shown themselves from a lot better side than the terrans.
Reality is legit.
Yeah Reality was the only one who looked anywhere near decent.
Flash looked good imo, except he did let Effort massing drones unharrassed. But his play by itself looked fine to me. |
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 GTR May 22 2012 16:53. Posts 39279 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 16:52 Jumbled wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
this isn't even fair lol
KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service
That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service.
they wouldn't be able to join unless they abolish the kespa license system |
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 roymarthyup May 22 2012 16:53. Posts 1442 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:51 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote:
id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first
that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks
im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks"
How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making.
normally the zerg just GG's if the 4pool doesnt grant him a BO win
lizzy decided he could either attack with a 100% chance of failing and maybe a miracle would happen
or lizzy could pull back and play at a 100% extreme disadvantage in the macro game. same as a 4pool pulling back and trying to play normal after failing to win with the initial attack |
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