| Bladeorade United States. May 25 2012 06:01. Posts 902 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 05:54 Frolossus wrote:
after trying several builds involving athene's holy greil on kog/anivia/swain/ori i'm heavily under the impression right now that athene's sucks if you don't invest in some sort of flat mana source such as tear or RoA because most champs don't have high enough mana pools to benefit from the extra regen that athene's provides
Every single one of those champs invests in one of if not both of those flat mana sources... |
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| ToT)OjKa( United Kingdom. May 25 2012 06:01. Posts 2026 | Profile Blog # |
man the new ashe skins are amazing.
Original may be better than amythest which I bought. Will buy Freljord for sure |
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| PrinceXizor United States. May 25 2012 06:02. Posts 4354 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 05:33 ManyCookies wrote:
Nope, his Ult gives full Vamp as well. Though wierdly does not give full Rylai's effect.
EDIT: I think... Wiki says no. Let me test quickly.
it used to, that got changed a few months ago.
also i'd like to reccomend athene on ryze. it gets pretty silly when he can stay in fights infinitely.Last edit: 2012-05-25 06:03:05 |
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| iCanada Canada. May 25 2012 06:11. Posts 2859 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 06:01 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
man the new ashe skins are amazing.
Original may be better than amythest which I bought. Will buy Freljord for sure
I used to use exclusively Frejlord... now it all about Ranger and Woad.
*drools* |
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| Seuss United States. May 25 2012 06:14. Posts 2963 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 05:54 Frolossus wrote:
after trying several builds involving athene's holy greil on kog/anivia/swain/ori i'm heavily under the impression right now that athene's sucks if you don't invest in some sort of flat mana source such as tear or RoA because most champs don't have high enough mana pools to benefit from the extra regen that athene's provides
When are you building Athene's? It always seemed like an upgrade you wouldn't bother with until much later in the game, like Hexdrinker -> Maw. |
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| Slusher United States. May 25 2012 06:15. Posts 2435 | Profile Blog # |
I like it on Ori and swain, don't play anivia
Ori: cdr is really nice, and she can be a mana hog so overall I like it. (although I remain unconvinced I might go back to AA+RoA build fo the ap)
Swain: Proc on kill or assist is perfect for teamfights + Swain ult.
Kog: Been saying this item would be terrible for kog since it appeared on the beta realm, no amount of regen will benefit Artillery spam as much as AA+RoA
also, where the fuck is this 4th ban already. people banning Darius really cramping my style.
On May 25 2012 06:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 05:33 ManyCookies wrote:
Nope, his Ult gives full Vamp as well. Though wierdly does not give full Rylai's effect.
EDIT: I think... Wiki says no. Let me test quickly.
it used to, that got changed a few months ago. also i'd like to reccomend athene on ryze. it gets pretty silly when he can stay in fights infinitely.
this was always the case?Last edit: 2012-05-25 06:19:00 |
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| Frolossus United States. May 25 2012 06:24. Posts 1094 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 06:01 Bladeorade wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 05:54 Frolossus wrote:
after trying several builds involving athene's holy greil on kog/anivia/swain/ori i'm heavily under the impression right now that athene's sucks if you don't invest in some sort of flat mana source such as tear or RoA because most champs don't have high enough mana pools to benefit from the extra regen that athene's provides
Every single one of those champs invests in one of if not both of those flat mana sources...
which is exactly my problem because building athenes + one or both of them means investing tons and tons of gold on your mana pool
i've tried building it in place of RoA for early game but it falls off mid-late game where you need to have a large mana pool
as it is right now i can see going something like tear>chalice>athene's which works well enough but i can't seem to justify it over RoA + tear in conjunction if i want to spent that much gold on mana and i get more survivability + AP and mana out of the deal while only losing some MR and CDR
on kog going tear>athene's solved all of my mana issues late game from artillery spamming
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| Lorken New Zealand. May 25 2012 06:26. Posts 641 | Profile # |
| I just noticed playing a game vs a morgana with her new skin, it is really damn frustrating. All of her spells look so weird I don't know wtf is going on. Anyone else get this? |
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| Slusher United States. May 25 2012 06:26. Posts 2435 | Profile Blog # |
| then you aren't pressing R enough. |
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| SnK-Arcbound United States. May 25 2012 06:43. Posts 2141 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 05:54 Frolossus wrote:
after trying several builds involving athene's holy greil on kog/anivia/swain/ori i'm heavily under the impression right now that athene's sucks if you don't invest in some sort of flat mana source such as tear or RoA because most champs don't have high enough mana pools to benefit from the extra regen that athene's provides
Unless my reading comprehension doesn't work for it, wouldn't you invest in mana regen, not flat mana to get a bigger increase? It increases your mana regeneration by a scaling amount. 24*1.1=26.4mp5. Getting flat mana wouldn't do anything that it doesn't already. |
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| Haemonculus United States. May 25 2012 06:46. Posts 6046 | Profile Blog # |
| So... does Darius' ult feel a lil broken to anyone else? That mofo hit me for 950 TRUE damage last night. Either the death recap is lying horribly or that skill if ridiculous. |
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| Frolossus United States. May 25 2012 06:47. Posts 1094 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 06:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 05:54 Frolossus wrote:
after trying several builds involving athene's holy greil on kog/anivia/swain/ori i'm heavily under the impression right now that athene's sucks if you don't invest in some sort of flat mana source such as tear or RoA because most champs don't have high enough mana pools to benefit from the extra regen that athene's provides
Unless my reading comprehension doesn't work for it, wouldn't you invest in mana regen, not flat mana to get a bigger increase? It increases your mana regeneration by a scaling amount. 24*1.1=26.4mp5. Getting flat mana wouldn't do anything that it doesn't already.
the issue that i have with mana regen alone is that by late game 5-6 spells puts you in a constantly oom state unless you have a large down time where you can let your mana regen by it self
flat mana means you can just keep on casting and not worry as much about the rate at which it is regening |
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| HazMat United States. May 25 2012 06:52. Posts 9197 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 06:46 Haemonculus wrote:
So... does Darius' ult feel a lil broken to anyone else? That mofo hit me for 950 TRUE damage last night. Either the death recap is lying horribly or that skill if ridiculous.
Don't let him get 5 BTs. |
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| Craton United States. May 25 2012 06:53. Posts 10148 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 06:46 Haemonculus wrote:
So... does Darius' ult feel a lil broken to anyone else? That mofo hit me for 950 TRUE damage last night. Either the death recap is lying horribly or that skill if ridiculous.
True damage on a champion ability has never been balanced. There have been tsunamis of complaints about every true damage ability that's been around and Riot has even acknowledged reading them, but they always claim "it's not an issue" and keep doing it.
You only need 180 bonus AD to deal 950 true damage as Varius, which basically means a single stacked BT, a Janna shield, and just about any other AD item (dblades, wriggles, bruta, etc.).
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| gtrsrs United States. May 25 2012 07:00. Posts 4403 | Profile # |
| this just in, if you play j4 and darius on teh same team, and you do an EQ combo with jarvan to knock them up, then darius ult while they're still in the air, you unlock the "ALLEY OOP" achievement. i guess riot really has been working on achievements this whole time, good guy riot. waiting on bball jersey skins now |
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| Mogwai United States. May 25 2012 07:01. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 06:46 Haemonculus wrote:
So... does Darius' ult feel a lil broken to anyone else? That mofo hit me for 950 TRUE damage last night. Either the death recap is lying horribly or that skill if ridiculous.
it's pretty ridic, lol. I've played 2 games as Darius and I already feel ready to make the Darius thread. Champ's busted as shit in lane, you cannot trade with his passive, it's utter bullshit, rofl.
On May 25 2012 07:00 gtrsrs wrote:
this just in, if you play j4 and darius on teh same team, and you do an EQ combo with jarvan to knock them up, then darius ult while they're still in the air, you unlock the "ALLEY OOP" achievement. i guess riot really has been working on achievements this whole time, good guy riot. waiting on bball jersey skins now
lol
this is why Jarman is the prince of dunkmacia, he's the only character in the game that can alley oop to himself
actually, now that I think about it, Xin can dunk pretty hard with three talon strike -> his sick jumping crit animation.Last edit: 2012-05-25 07:02:21 |
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| SnK-Arcbound United States. May 25 2012 07:03. Posts 2141 | Profile # |
| I don't see any reason to get athenes unless you can blow almost the entirety of your mana pool almost instantly (like kassadin). If you need mana roa or FH is probably better for 3k. |
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| gtrsrs United States. May 25 2012 07:04. Posts 4403 | Profile # |
On May 25 2012 07:01 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 06:46 Haemonculus wrote:
So... does Darius' ult feel a lil broken to anyone else? That mofo hit me for 950 TRUE damage last night. Either the death recap is lying horribly or that skill if ridiculous.
it's pretty ridic, lol. I've played 2 games as Darius and I already feel ready to make the Darius thread. Champ's busted as shit in lane, you cannot trade with his passive, it's utter bullshit, rofl.
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 07:00 gtrsrs wrote:
this just in, if you play j4 and darius on teh same team, and you do an EQ combo with jarvan to knock them up, then darius ult while they're still in the air, you unlock the "ALLEY OOP" achievement. i guess riot really has been working on achievements this whole time, good guy riot. waiting on bball jersey skins now
lol this is why Jarman is the prince of dunkmacia, he's the only character in the game that can alley oop to himself actually, now that I think about it, Xin can dunk pretty hard with three talon strike -> his sick jumping crit animation.
yeah but alley ooping to yourself is also known as carrying, and it doesn't unlock the acheivement
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| Requizen United States. May 25 2012 07:05. Posts 7268 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 06:46 Haemonculus wrote:
So... does Darius' ult feel a lil broken to anyone else? That mofo hit me for 950 TRUE damage last night. Either the death recap is lying horribly or that skill if ridiculous.
His entire kit is slightly silly, it's more or less everything a melee dps could want aside from sustain. He's very strong right now, I can't honestly think of a whole lot that counters him aside from lots of heals and focus fire. |
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| Mogwai United States. May 25 2012 07:07. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
On May 25 2012 07:05 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 06:46 Haemonculus wrote:
So... does Darius' ult feel a lil broken to anyone else? That mofo hit me for 950 TRUE damage last night. Either the death recap is lying horribly or that skill if ridiculous.
His entire kit is slightly silly, it's more or less everything a melee dps could want aside from sustain. He's very strong right now, I can't honestly think of a whole lot that counters him aside from lots of heals and focus fire.
no sustain or mobility. honestly, his late game is jawkward as hell, but dear lord, the early beats he can put on people in lane and early teamfights are insane. I just wheeled around on an amumu with like 800 HP when I had like 50 HP and just insta killed him with QautoWR |
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