Will these fans help with my temps overall?

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Newegg is having a case fan 20% off promotion for memorial day. So I guess Im goin to jump on that deal so Im thinking about overclocking my CPU and GPU soon so I am planning to buy 1 fan for my push and pull config for my hyper 212 + and maybe a PCI Slot Cooling fan. I am hopping atleast my temps are get lower by 10 C. Right now my temps are in the 37*C and my GPU is 40*C (the fan RMP is 20%) and my Full load temps are 66,58,66 C for my CPU package. These temp are in idle mode and with stock volts and everything stock.

These are the products I am looking at Newegg.
AOC FC-2000
PCI Slot Case Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835888309
and for my 2nd fan for CPU Push and Pull Config
Scythe DFS123812-3000
Case Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835185054
Total $17.13(after EMCNEHH244 coupon and I have free shiping from 2 day shipping)
My Current Rig
Asrock p67 Pro b3
Intel i5 2500k with Cool Master Hyper 212+
128GB Samsung 830
500GB Seagate HDD
Sapphire 7850 2GB DDR5
8GB G.Skillz
Capstone Rosewill 550W
Zalman Z11 Case (non plus) (4 Fans include 2 80mm Side Fans, 1 120mm front fan and 1 Rear 120mm Fan).
Questions:
Do you guys think that those two products I am looking at a good choice? ( I dont care much about sound)
Do you guys think that those two products will lower my temps by atleast 10 C in Idle for now?
Are there any fans you would recommend me if you dont like the 2 products I suggested.
Do you guys know of a Place that sell the brackets for the fan instillation for the hyper 212+ (I m right now email them if they can sent me one they hadnt reply yet).

Last edit: 2012-06-07 19:50:33

Womwomwom May 23 2012 21:59. Posts 5517

I am hopping atleast my temps are get lower by 10 C. Right now my temps are in the 37*C and my GPU is 40*C (the fan RMP is 20%). These temp are in idle mode and with stock volts and everything stock.

What's the problem? Those temperatures are already quite low. No, adding more fans to that case won't improve cooling by 10 degrees. If you really want to decrease temps (I don't know why you would honestly), decrease the ambient temperature.

Cleric United States. May 23 2012 22:47. Posts 34

The only thing that ever dropped my temps was an after-market CPU cooler (which I see you have already installed). This is the one I bought:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181011

The thing is a beast and barely fits in my mid-tower but it really helped. I hardly get to 60*C under a sustained full load. Idle temps in the high 20's. The fans just slide on and are held in place with friction, seems to work pretty well.

I've heard the PCI coolers don't do anything worth mentioning. They are simply dust traps.

Like Wom said, I think your temps are doing pretty well with the cooler you already have, even if you don't get the fan installed. I'd say buy another cooler that doesn't make you jump any bracket hoops.

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Rollin Australia. May 23 2012 22:52. Posts 1149

Nobody cares about idle temps... Any capable system is going to have adequate idle temps, the mark of whether or not your cooling system is effective is under full (usually artificial) load.

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JingleHell United States. May 23 2012 23:01. Posts 11262

Womwomwom already said it all. Without heavy changes to your cooling system overall, ambient temps are key. Unless you go from having it built in an Ez-Bake oven to having it built in a top tier air cooler, you won't see much above 5-7C. And that's assuming all sorts of optimal shit.

New fans can make small situational differences, but that tends to be about all they do.

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TheToast United States. May 23 2012 23:34. Posts 4804

On May 23 2012 21:42 BlackKiller wrote:
I am hopping atleast my temps are get lower by 10 C. Right now my temps are in the 37*C and my GPU is 40*C (the fan RMP is 20%).

... Why? It looks like you are well within safe operating temperatures for you hardware, and it doesn't sound like you are planning on overclocking. So why would you spend money on extra cooling that gives you no performance enhancements and just makes your PC louder and use more electricity? I can think of a lot of better things to spend money on...

On May 23 2012 22:52 Rollin wrote:
Nobody cares about idle temps... Any capable system is going to have adequate idle temps, the mark of whether or not your cooling system is effective is under full (usually artificial) load.

Well, idle temps can be a good indication of problems with your cooling system or inadequate cooling. If your CPU is idling at 80C you wouldn't want to take it up to full load. So they do matter, but there's no point in fretting between 30C and 40C idle. That's money that could be much better spent in the steam store. If he's hitting 100C on full load, that's a different story.

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JingleHell United States. May 23 2012 23:44. Posts 11262

On May 23 2012 23:34 TheToast wrote:

Well, 40 at idle with max RPM on the CPU cooler might be indicative of a blocked heatsink that's starting to cause trouble, but otherwise, yes. Unless that's the case, concur. Especially with the Steam store bit.

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TheToast United States. May 23 2012 23:56. Posts 4804

On May 23 2012 23:44 JingleHell wrote:

Thing is it's very hard to get a "true" idle temp. Even when you've got no software or applications running, Windows is doing a lot of stuff in the background, like indexing search items, and superfetch is preloading stuff into memory as well; both of which can sometimes put quite a bit of load on the CPU. Windows 7 Aero theme relies on directx 10 and therefore puts a small load on the GPU; more if you've got some of the more advanced Aero stuff enabled. On top of that, hardware doesn't cool down immediately when you stop doing stuff; it'll take a while to bring the temps back down to a normal range.

So while it's important to keep an eye on your idle temps, it's hard to draw any real conclusions. If you're under 90C when running something like prime95 or CPU burn-in for a while; there's no reason to add any cooling. With a higher end CPU, you're rarely going to reach that type of load normally. More cooling just costs money and makes more noise.

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JingleHell United States. May 24 2012 00:12. Posts 11262

"idle" and "off" are different temps. Your car's engine is running when it's idling. Your CPU doing nothing except it's base tasks that are always happening is your system's idle, even if it's not quite a "true" idle.

By the way, you're doing that "arguing about nothing" thing again. I was just mentioning that bizarre niche thing people can look for. You'll notice that outside that one bizarre exception, I was agreeing with what you said, so there's not much rational to argue against without making some assumptions about what I said.

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theSAiNT United Kingdom. May 24 2012 01:22. Posts 679

As everybody has said, those idle temps are fine and even if you could lower them, which you can't with fans, it would be pointless.

More important is load temperature for overclocking. Your processor overclocks very easily. I've set one up at 4ghz with a semi decent cooler without any issues and it can easily be pushed higher. Your hyper 212 is probably good enough for 4.2-4.4 quite safely, depending on your setup.

BlackKiller May 24 2012 05:22. Posts 56

Since all of you guys want to see my temps in full load, I am right now running Prime 95 and checking my temps now and I am haven't overclock YET. Alright here my temps with Prime 95 running about 20 mins and this is my temp for Package 66,58,66 *C. That seem pretty high doesnt it and it all stock volts stock everything. I really need my temps to be lower so I can overclock. I heard that my CPU the I5 2500k 70 C is Dangerous zone

TheToast United States. May 24 2012 05:30. Posts 4804

On May 24 2012 05:22 BlackKiller wrote:
Since all of you guys want to see my temps in full load, I am right now running Prime 95 and checking my temps now and I am haven't overclock YET. Alright here my temps with Prime 95 running about 20 mins and this is my temp for Package 66,58,66 *C. That seem pretty high doesnt it and it all stock volts stock everything. I really need my temps to be lower so I can overclock. I heard that my CPU the I5 2500k 70 C is Dangerous zone

Well, you're not in the "danger zone" yet, so you really don't need to worry. Prime95 works your CPU much harder than any real world application realistically ever would. If you can run it for 20 minutes and have temps max out at 68C, you are more than save. Intel's heat rating are really far on the safe side as well, you'd be more than okay at 70C and even somewhat higher.

If you want to start overclocking, you probably should invest in an aftermarket cooler like Cleric said, but currently you are way more than okay. Spend that money on games, not fans.

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BlackKiller May 24 2012 05:35. Posts 56

On May 24 2012 05:30 TheToast wrote:

So buying a extra fan for push and pull config and pci slot cooling fan wont make a difference? I kinda hopping for a 5 C decrease I mean I want to overclock my CPU to atleast 4.4 GHZ and I want that all day config. I m pretty sure with prime 95 and my overclock on I would be getting so high temps. What can I do to cool my CPU and I do not plan to upgrade my CPU cooler I mean it new it only been 1 month of use.

iTzSnypah United States. May 24 2012 05:40. Posts 1220

Putting a Second fan on the hyper212 will decrease load temps by ~4C. Is it worth $10? I don't know its up to you.

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BlackKiller May 24 2012 05:47. Posts 56

On May 24 2012 05:40 iTzSnypah wrote:
Putting a Second fan on the hyper212 will decrease load temps by ~4C. Is it worth $10? I don't know its up to you.

then what should I do I really wanna to overclock my system to at least 4.4 Ghz. I really cant upgrade my CPU cooler

TheToast United States. May 24 2012 05:47. Posts 4804

On May 24 2012 05:35 BlackKiller wrote:

Call me crazy, but isn't an i5 2500k normally clocked at 3.3? You want to take that up to 4.4 and keep it under 70C? All four cores? Unless you plan to attach a large leaf blower to your PC, you're not going to achieve that with just air cooling.

There would be some question as to whether that would even be a stable overclock; but yeah your plans are unrealistic; especially if you aren't planning to upgrade your CPU cooler.

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BlackKiller May 24 2012 05:50. Posts 56

On May 24 2012 05:47 TheToast wrote:

If you say 4.4ghz is high what do you think is a stable overclock then. I heard for my cooler the cooler master hyper 212 will get to 4.5 Ghz easy. I just wanna find some way to cool my system before i overclock

Rollin Australia. May 24 2012 05:53. Posts 1149

Err what? If you are getting those temps at stock with a 212, you've mounted it wrongly. That's lower than my load temps at 4.4 gHz with a crappy case in Australia (it's quite hot here believe it or not). Prime 95 levels off ~65C tops (with no gpu load). This is at 1.24v though, with a few other voltage tweaks to various settings.

How did you apply the thermal paste? It took me a couple of goes to get an optimal spread. If you want to overclock higher, adding addition fans will likely make no practical difference whatsoever to your cpu temperature.

Last edit: 2012-05-24 05:56:05

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BlackKiller May 24 2012 05:57. Posts 56

On May 24 2012 05:53 Rollin wrote:
Err what? If you are getting those temps at stock with a 212, you've mounted it wrongly. That's lower than my load temps at 4.4 gHz with a crappy case in Australia (it's quite hot here believe it or not). Prime 95 after a few hours levels off ~65C tops.

How did you apply the thermal paste? It took me a couple of goes to get an optimal spread. If you want to overclock higher, adding addition fans will likely make no practical difference whatsoever to your cpu temperature.

Well I did the spreading way the way when you put a tiny rice size and then i spread it with a credit card or something. Let just say I did do that wrong what do you think my temps would be if I brought some removal for thermal paste and a good quality thermal paste to redo my mounting would my temps would be lower like how much?

TheToast United States. May 24 2012 06:07. Posts 4804

On May 24 2012 05:57 BlackKiller wrote: