| MarcusRife May 24 2012 07:22. Posts 223 | Profile # |
Beelzebub
Created by Rife and Meltage
Published on [NA] in the arcade
Playable Size: 124 x 124
Before
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Analyzer
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Screenshots
+ Show Spoiler +Main ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JmZmA.jpg) Natural ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lZp77.jpg) Third ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vdlia.jpg) Fourth ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UPcZe.jpg) Fifth ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UUIbg.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6ntjV.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/klkra.jpg)
Changes
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Besides the obvious stuff like moving rocks and the aesthetics there were many small changes to improve the playability of the map. The general layout has not changed but every single base has been moved around and tweaked to make the proportions correct. For example the natural was too open before and it was too easy to break sown the rocks between the third and bypass any static defenses that were place at the front of the natural. The third probably received the most adjustments. Ramps were widened and moved, some were reduced, and the front door into the natural was widened as well. Plus countless other tweaks that are now to subtle to remember.
Feedback welcome
Replays
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My map portfolio: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352620Last edit: 2012-10-31 03:17:27 |
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| IronManSC United States. May 24 2012 07:43. Posts 1660 | Profile # |
| I'm a little worried about the choke into the natural. Can siege units (colossus/siege tank) cover that whole choke? You might want to trim off that corner piece of the main to prevent turtling being a little too powerful. |
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| MarcusRife May 24 2012 10:51. Posts 223 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 07:43 IronManSC wrote:
I'm a little worried about the choke into the natural. Can siege units (colossus/siege tank) cover that whole choke? You might want to trim off that corner piece of the main to prevent turtling being a little too powerful.
I made the adjustment. It does feel better now upon play testing. Thanks
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| Archas United States. May 24 2012 11:37. Posts 5638 | Profile Blog # |
Ah, a volcanic tileset! There aren't enough of these, in my opinion, and you did a good job with the aesthetics here. In particular, I like the way you set up rocks at the third. They prevent immediate access to the base, but don't prevent the base from getting started before the rocks are destroyed. One of the few ways I've seen rocks add to a map instead of detracting from it. Well done. I'm wondering, though: are the small plateaus between the main and 5th pathable? Would you be able to drop a Siege Tank there, for instance?
On a side note, I was always saying "Beezlebub" instead of "Beelzebub". I feel stupid now. :| |
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| MarcusRife May 24 2012 11:47. Posts 223 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 11:37 Archas wrote:
Ah, a volcanic tileset! There aren't enough of these, in my opinion, and you did a good job with the aesthetics here. In particular, I like the way you set up rocks at the third. They prevent immediate access to the base, but don't prevent the base from getting started before the rocks are destroyed. One of the few ways I've seen rocks add to a map instead of detracting from it. Well done. I'm wondering, though: are the small plateaus between the main and 5th pathable? Would you be able to drop a Siege Tank there, for instance?
On a side note, I was always saying "Beezlebub" instead of "Beelzebub". I feel stupid now. :|
Those small plateaus are pathable. My thinking was that by the time you get a 5th base you should have options to deal with siege tank harassment from there.
BTW I had to look up the spelling. |
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| MarcusRife May 27 2012 06:33. Posts 223 | Profile # |
| Texture Updates - Steam vents in main bases (See screenshot) |
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| MarcusRife May 30 2012 07:47. Posts 223 | Profile # |
| I felt like the middle of the map was not interesting enough. Therefore I completely reworked it. The new middle seems to work well. |
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| Ollie United States. May 30 2012 11:52. Posts 140 | Profile # | |
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| FlaShFTW United States. June 25 2012 12:20. Posts 4962 | Profile Blog # |
Oh my god that rush distance. Basically two chokes for 5 bases... ewwww.
I think a neat idea would be to move the 4th more closer to the 5th, and the 5th move to the base of the main near the reaper jump area. This would make it more interesting for grabbing a 5th base, as both players would really be contesting for it. |
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| Syphon8 Canada. June 25 2012 16:31. Posts 191 | Profile # |
I'm a fan of the layout, but I think you need to redo the proportioning.
Also, maybe add a high-ground ridge between the third and fourth as I think it'd be very bad for Terran in TvZ especially. |
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| Guardian85 June 25 2012 21:23. Posts 155 | Profile # |
In my opinion its not a bad start, but needs more work.. try highlight your edges a little tiny bit, to make it a little less confusing.
But about the map it self, the only thing i can see, is so wide paths, i can only imagine a 2 base 3rd attack all in. |
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 Aunvilgod June 29 2012 22:45. Posts 2031 | Profile # |
You have come a long way with this map, I really see how you have learned more and more...
A tad more variance of textures would have been nice but thats a question of taste I guess. |
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| ragz_gt June 29 2012 22:55. Posts 4314 | Profile # |
| I think this map is a bit too safe. There just not much early pressure potential here, and it can be too safe taking 5 bases. |
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| Gfire United States. June 30 2012 00:05. Posts 1479 | Profile # |
I think it's a bit problematic how easy it is to take a fourth and fifth, especially considering there is no sixth base. With only 5 bases per player, they should be taken a bit slower than other maps to avoid too many mined-out situations. And generally speaking, even if there were 6 bases, I think the fourth and fifth are too easy anyway.
The fifth is actually pretty close to the opponent, but it also feels like the third-fourth-fifth are too close together. Maybe you could push the fifth minerals towards the opponent's main without changing where the entrance is. Now that I look at it, though, maybe you could move the ramp that direction, too, without actually shortening the path to the opponent's nat, but increasing the distance you have to travel to defend from a drop or something like that.
I think it's good to promote harassing a fair bit, and positional play, rather than direct pushing or deathballing. So, if you want to make some bases more vulnerable, it might be good to make them more vulnerable to harass in particular. You could add cliffs or little paths going behind the minerals, or stuff like that, to make it a bit easier to harass those bases. |
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| Bionicrm United States. July 02 2012 00:20. Posts 96 | Profile # |
| I like the map! Although I'm not going to go into the layout, I would say that you need more doodads, as they give your map it's theme. A map that's on the tileset "Meinhoff", you can make that into a theme of the moon. For this map, you should make it a theme of whatever relates to the name. Good map, although I agree with 'ragz_gt'. |
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| []Phase[] Belgium. July 02 2012 01:41. Posts 581 | Profile # |
| Why exactly did u call it 'beelzebub'? I don't see any references or anything anywhere. Not that there is anything wrong with just liking the name / manga / series / mythology / flies, im just sayin... |
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| IronManSC United States. July 02 2012 03:26. Posts 1660 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 01:41 []Phase[] wrote:
Why exactly did u call it 'beelzebub'? I don't see any references or anything anywhere. Not that there is anything wrong with just liking the name / manga / series / mythology / flies, im just sayin...
Beelzebub is a name for the devil, which sorta links to the whole lava/volcanic nature of the map I guess. |
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| []Phase[] Belgium. July 02 2012 04:23. Posts 581 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 03:26 IronManSC wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 01:41 []Phase[] wrote:
Why exactly did u call it 'beelzebub'? I don't see any references or anything anywhere. Not that there is anything wrong with just liking the name / manga / series / mythology / flies, im just sayin...
Beelzebub is a name for the devil, which sorta links to the whole lava/volcanic nature of the map I guess.
Ya that was my first guess, but beelzebub isn't the devil, its the lord of flies (as far as I know, correct me if im wrong here. Wasent 'baal' the demon lord or something?). I mean, if he wanted a name that had something to do with lava / volcanic, me thinks there are a lot better names that give that feel. Anyways I dont wanna bitch about the name too much, its just a name, and I like 'beelzebub', no matter the map. I just wondered why you would pick it for this map, or maybe the author had some deeper meaning. |
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| MarcusRife July 25 2012 02:41. Posts 223 | Profile # |
| I have been working with meltage on this map for the pro-am. Here is an update on its current state. We aren't done yet though. I would like to hear some feedback. Last edit: 2012-07-25 03:30:51 |
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| Syphon8 Canada. July 25 2012 03:12. Posts 191 | Profile # | |
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