Official Real Talk Thread of Realness - Page 9

On May 25 2012 03:15 Catbus wrote:
I liked the Idra interview, but the first part seemed so unnecessary and then JP tried to get Idra to talk about Nani again when he asked for people that he thought deserved the flack they get. It was pretty good overall but those parts left me with a bad taste.

Pretty sure JP

1. Only asked at the start coz it's so recent, and most of his questions were from redditors.

and later before the day9 part

2. He asked for IdrA's opinion on people aside from NaNi?

mememolly May 25 2012 03:17. Posts 4306

On May 25 2012 02:25 Plansix wrote:

The word "donate" should pretty much handle that. If you want to donate something, you should know your not getting anything back. You cannot prevent people from misleading themselves or not taking the time to read something fully. In my work experience in the legal field, even seasoned professionals still neglect to read documents fully or simply assume things that just not true. It is the nature of how people are.

that seems like just a convenient way to evade responsibility though, the issue is contentious because day9 doesn't "need" donations in the way that many other people in the community probably do, and it seems like he is playing on this (deliberately or not)

NonY May 25 2012 03:20. Posts 6939

It seems like a "pay what you want" system like the Humble Bundle would solve this issue. Any time someone is doing something that they're willing to do for free but would like to accept donations/tips for, they can ask people to set their own price. That way it's more clear that they're not asking for charity and not relying on donations to meet a basic standard of living.

Logistically such a system may not work for some things or would at least require quite a bit of rearranging. I think it'd be something to keep in mind though.

edit: That system would also probably bring in more money haha.

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Vega62a May 25 2012 03:24. Posts 702

On May 25 2012 03:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
It seems like a "pay what you want" system like the Humble Bundle would solve this issue. Any time someone is doing something that they're willing to do for free but would like to accept donations/tips for, they can ask people to set their own price. That way it's more clear that they're not asking for charity and not relying on donations to meet a basic standard of living.

Logistically such a system may not work for some things or would at least require quite a bit of rearranging. I think it'd be something to keep in mind though.

This seems like a very reasonable notion, although I would say that $5 is already on the low end of what most folks would consider donating. But it would certainly not hurt anybody if somebody who could only spare a buck could donate just a buck.

On May 25 2012 03:17 mememolly wrote:

Please read the post I made on the previous page. Day[9] is not doing anything irresponsible. He is not leading anybody to think that without their donations he will starve to death. If you think otherwise, I invite you to read his tipjar page and tell us which part of it is misleading or irresponsible. He is pointing out that day9.tv is not cheap to run. He's not saying he can't pay for it. If anything, he's just saying that if he didn't have to pay for the whole thing out of pocket, that would be helpful, which is one hundred percent legitimate. (Business owners don't want to pay for anything out of pocket that their profits do not reimburse.)

I think this will be the last post I make on the topic. I'm more than willing to continue the discussion via PM. I feel really guilty, because I think I've been hardcore derailing this thread. Sorry JP! I do <3 your show to death, and I'm really looking forward to the next one! (I'd personally love to see Nony or Jinro on the show.)

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Angel_ United States. May 25 2012 03:37. Posts 1616

On May 25 2012 03:17 mememolly wrote:

i dont think you understand how advertising actually works.

jmbthirteen United States. May 25 2012 03:48. Posts 9647

rofl who the fuck cares? honestly, what does it matter to you that Day9 might make a good amount of money from the sc2 scene? Isn't it a good thing that he does? Isn't it a good thing that he is able to do his show 5 nights a week and is able to keep it free? Isn't it good that he is able to have employees that work for him and they get paid too?

Stop being so fucking jealous.

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Noxblood Norway. May 25 2012 03:51. Posts 370

Can we stop derailing this topic into a new Day9 witch hunt! It is getting kinda ridicules.

Great show JP and keep up the good work!

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Plansix United States. May 25 2012 03:56. Posts 5797

On May 25 2012 03:17 mememolly wrote:

Wow, you really don’t want to back down on this one. Responsibility for what, exactly? If you donate to a Kickstart, should you expect anything except what they offer if you donate a certain amount? You keep adding in some form of moral responsibility that really does not exist. If you want to donate some a free service, do it in the hopes that the free service will continue. When I give money to NPR, I am not doing it because the reporters are starving, poor or cannot pay a car loan if I don’t do so. I do it because I enjoy the shows and news coverage.

Day9 does not say anything beyond, “If you want to pay, here is now. Donating will help guarantee that I can keep doing what I am doing.” If people are confused by that, then they need to go back to wherever they were educated and demand to be better prepared to go out into the world.

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Shocae United States. May 25 2012 04:06. Posts 133

I believe it's dishonorable to ask for donations when you already earn a decent living. If you want to make more money (which falls under greed), then sell your content because you believe in it's value and worth. But asking for donations allows the person creating content to be relieved of guilt, yet still satisfy his or her own greed. People just tend not to like the facade of "average joe" Day9 portrays because it is false. Just own up to it yo, you likes the moneyyyy.

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teddyoojo Germany. May 25 2012 04:29. Posts 2787

please get cloud
hes one of the few people that make actual "realtalk"

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R3DT1D3 May 25 2012 04:31. Posts 205

On May 25 2012 04:06 Shocae wrote:
I believe it's dishonorable to ask for donations when you already earn a decent living. If you want to make more money (which falls under greed), then sell your content because you believe in it's value and worth. But asking for donations allows the person creating content to be relieved of guilt, yet still satisfy his or her own greed. People just tend not to like the facade of "average joe" Day9 portrays because it is false. Just own up to it yo, you likes the moneyyyy.

Making more money than a decent living is greed? Do you have no dreams, no aspirations? Day9 isn't buying a yacht, he's trying to do bigger events and services with the money.

Charities pay celebrities/athletes to come to their fundraisers all the time. Apparently I shouldn't donate because the sponsors and the people paid to show up make a decent living.

So we can't give money to people who aren't impoverished (because they're greedy for asking for money when they're not in poverty) and we can't give money to people who are equipped to help the less fortunate (because they earn a decent living and aren't giving all their money away).

It wouldn't take much re-arranging at all. If you made a certain minimum donation in the bundles, you got extra game(s). Just substitute in the current rewards for donating anything above $5 and you're done.

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Sankanyo United States. May 25 2012 04:35. Posts 133

Nice interview! I love all of your interviews so far.
Keep them coming!~ ^^v

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FakeDeath Malaysia. May 25 2012 04:37. Posts 4264

On May 25 2012 04:06 Shocae wrote:
I believe it's dishonorable to ask for donations when you already earn a decent living. If you want to make more money (which falls under greed), then sell your content because you believe in it's value and worth. But asking for donations allows the person creating content to be relieved of guilt, yet still satisfy his or her own greed. People just tend not to like the facade of "average joe" Day9 portrays because it is false. Just own up to it yo, you likes the moneyyyy.

The point is Day9 is not forcing you to donate. He has been doing his dailies for years as free contents for SC2 and also BW.
I got no idea why people are starting this shit.

Plus, who the fuck doesn't like money.

Back on topic, this 1 on 1 " real talk " seems good and give us better insight on player history and his opinions on the state
of SC2.

Props to JP.

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simmeh Canada. May 25 2012 04:41. Posts 2161

day9 is making good money and i want him to flaunt it and let it be known

i better see him make it rain with bills of his choice at the next mlg

byah!

Corsica Ukraine. May 25 2012 04:47. Posts 1773