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| vulhulla United States. May 24 2012 14:55. Posts 16 | Profile # |
Greetings fellows TLer's. Kind of a long time lurker, but I consider myself part of the "silent majority" that people often refer to and figured I might as well try to voice some opinions and reason.
The main topic is all of the recent hate and flack that has been thrown out lately towards Day[9]. Some of the main focus points that are pointed to are the amount of money that people think he makes, and his demeanor/personality. I'd like to see if I can break down these things so that I can understand where all of this is coming from, if only for my own sanity.
So, people apparently have an issue with the amount of money that Sean makes. Since none of these numbers are public knowledge, all there is is speculation and rumors. From what I can infer, his SC2 related income comes from his stream (both adds and the subscriptions), his VODs on blip and you tube, casting events, and selling shirts. Bear in mind that all of these incomes probably go towards his small business and not directly to him. And being a business, I am sure that he has quite a bit of expenses including paying employees and various bits of infrastructure involved in making the business work. Do any of you out there know what it costs to run this type of business? Are you in a position to criticize a person for how he runs his company? Are you involved in maintaining and growing the brand that he has created and built from scratch? I am pretty sure that the answer to these for 99.99% of us is no. I sure as hell don't claim to know what the financial situation for his business is and it's frankly none of my business. Although he is a public figure in our community, he is still running and maintaining a private company? Would you ask your local bar/restaurant how much the owner makes just because you eat there? Probably not. So until Day[9]tv becomes a public company, none of us have any right to demand to knowledge of it's financials. Period.
The other topic that has recently popped up is his persona and how he is somehow portraying a fake image to the community. While taking public criticism is part of being a public figure, I am still not sure what the outrage is all about? Are people upset that they hear stories and rumors about how he acts "behind the scenes"? That "he has changed so much since the daily 10"? Seriously? These are the issues that people have? While I can only speculate what he is like to work with, I will say that I have absolutely zero idea what it is like to work as a caster at a major tournament. This is true for, again, 99.99% of us. None of us know what sort of mental or physical stress happens after casting for 8-10 hours for 3 days. Also, how many of you are exactly the same person while at work as you are when you're at home? How about even alone compared to with your parents? Every single one of us has different personality hats that we wear that fit the situation we're currently in and I'd imagine that it is especially true for public figures and entertainers. I can pretty safely say that Artosis or djWHEAT will not act the same in from of a camera as they do when just chilling with they wife/gf. As far as acting different compared to the early dailies, let me propose this: how many of you would honestly say that you act the exact same way that you did 3 years ago? How about from when you first started at your job, did you act the same as you do now? There is so much that happens in life that will change how we all act, and it is a very slow change. I am just curious why people need to hold Sean to a higher standard when it comes to this. Everybody changes, and hopefully they will change for the better.
At the end of the day, every one of us is left with a choice when it comes to our time and money: watch and support the things you believe in. Posting shit on /r/starcraft and on TL probably won't change anything about you, or even the person you're trying to bitch at. In the end it just makes the rest of us look bad, and I am getting sick of being associated with all the jackasses and hate-mongers out there that feel the need to shit on people in the community. |
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| Mr Showtime United States. May 24 2012 14:59. Posts 1350 | Profile # |
| Making your own thread with this type of content is not a productive approach to the issue. |
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| MNdakota United States. May 24 2012 14:59. Posts 498 | Profile # |
Can I ask where this is all coming from? The is the first post I've recognized that apparently he's getting a lot of hate of some sort?
I haven't heard about any hate on him.
I view him as a contributer, a big one too. What's wrong with that? |
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| ROOTKane Canada. May 24 2012 14:59. Posts 1604 | Profile Blog # |
| i didn't even know there was any hate towards day9... |
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| Vandalman United States. May 24 2012 15:01. Posts 63 | Profile # | |
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| hkf Australia. May 24 2012 15:01. Posts 322 | Profile Blog # |
People don't like day9?
I dislike a lot of things but I don't think its possible to dislike day9... |
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| FakeDeath Malaysia. May 24 2012 15:02. Posts 3955 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 14:59 Malstriks wrote:
i didn't even know there was any hate towards day9...
Same here. |
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| d00fuz Malaysia. May 24 2012 15:02. Posts 98 | Profile # |
Shouldn't this be a blog?
OT: Well...haters gonna hate. When you're doing well there are bound to be people who are jealous of your success. |
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| navy Canada. May 24 2012 15:03. Posts 189 | Profile # |
can you provide some context?
in my books, day9 is the man and will always be the man.
What incident sparked comments that you are rebuking here?
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| RockIronrod Australia. May 24 2012 15:03. Posts 637 | Profile # |
| So... who hates Day9? Is this some Reddit thing or something, because they seem to have a penchant for despising people for little to no reason? |
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 Plexa Administrator May 24 2012 15:04. | Profile Blog # |
From cadred interviewing richard lewis (editor of cadred):
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/164576/
Also 2gd commented on day9 here: http://www.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/319039733?t=2h1m15s
And Idra made some comments in real talk.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.Last edit: 2012-05-24 15:35:08 |
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 MVega May 24 2012 15:04. Posts 711 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 15:03 navy wrote:
can you provide some context?
in my books, day9 is the man and will always be the man.
What incident sparked comments that you are rebuking here?
I'd really like to know this as well. I read this thread and was like "Wow I know I haven't been paying attention lately but how did I miss something like that?" |
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| Torte de Lini Canada. May 24 2012 15:04. Posts 27040 | Profile Blog # |
The main topic is all of the recent hate and flack that has been thrown out lately towards Day[9]. Some of the main focus points that are pointed to are the amount of money that people think he makes, and his demeanor/personality. I'd like to see if I can break down these things so that I can understand where all of this is coming from, if only for my own sanity.
Where the fuck do you see this? Unless it's a vocal minority to which the actions of the silent majority clearly trump this. But bringing it to light, you only enable and pander to these stupid whines.
edit: thanks Plexa!Last edit: 2012-05-24 15:05:20 |
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| Shaddar May 24 2012 15:05. Posts 667 | Profile Blog # | |
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| mrRoflpwn United States. May 24 2012 15:07. Posts 2394 | Profile Blog # |
| Why do people care? He produces content that people like. People subscribe to him because they feel he is worth the money. Its that simple. I dont care if he is the biggest ass hole off screen- because he makes good content and is a pretty good caster. |
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| Mr Showtime United States. May 24 2012 15:07. Posts 1350 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 14:59 MNdakota wrote:
Can I ask where this is all coming from? The is the first post I've recognized that apparently he's getting a lot of hate of some sort?
I haven't heard about any hate on him.
I view him as a contributer, a big one too. What's wrong with that?
It has to do with his nebulous descriptions of his income. He makes much more than he leads on. Nobody should be asking for the exact numbers, but not many people know quite how much he is making. It has rubbed people the wrong way, and specifically IdrA (as mentioned on his interview with JP's show Real Talk). IdrA's large following has led to a low roar in the community about Day9 when in reality, a lot of these "haters" don't know shit about the situation. |
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| Bojex May 24 2012 15:10. Posts 5 | Profile # |
On May 24 2012 14:59 Mr Showtime wrote:
Making your own thread with this type of content is not a productive approach to the issue.
As someone who is new to the community what would you say is a a productive approach? I agree with the points the OP has said and in my limited experience would say that the hate in this community is certainly not an isolated incident with Day 9, i.e. JP with the SOTG/MLG episode, Destinty, Orb and many others.
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| coolcor May 24 2012 15:10. Posts 500 | Profile # |
Would you ask your local bar/restaurant how much the owner makes just because you eat there?
Only if he implied his business was unprofitable and asks for donations so that he can continue to run it then later other bar/restaurant people mentioned that we was in fact making a lot of money.
The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV. If you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports, we invite you to make a one time personal donation to his tip jar (or, better still, a recurring donation!!) below:
I think day9 should either take off his donation page or be more clear for why exactly it is needed and what the money is doing besides a vague goal of growing esports. Last edit: 2012-05-24 15:14:38 |
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| BleaK_ Norway. May 24 2012 15:11. Posts 562 | Profile # |
| How can anyone (even internet people) hate day9? |
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| MVTaylor United Kingdom. May 24 2012 15:12. Posts 2773 | Profile Blog # |
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote:From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Show nested quote +Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
1) That article is an "ask the editor" piece with Richard Lewis of Cadred
2) The 2GD quotes were from the The GD Show on Tuesday and the relevant ones are "day[9] has done a lot to help esports... and himself" and (when referring to the red bull battlegrounds casters "I don't like it that much on the analytical side"
3) This then made r/starcraft front page yesterday and was actually originally about 2GDs comments to sundance etc, the mention of the article diverted the majority of the comments. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tzt3a/james_2gd_harding_to_sundance_and_lee_about_mlg/
4) My thoughts on day[9]. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tzt3a/james_2gd_harding_to_sundance_and_lee_about_mlg/c4r8m0n |
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