On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Are you serious? Two guys show up with a camera, don't even bother to ask him if he can talk, and he's "showing elitism" by refusing to submit to their rude poorly handled probe for an interview?
There can be perfectly legitimate criticisms of the man, but this is desperate.
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On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
I have to say after working as a manager in a restaurant that makes over 3.5 million a year, he puts up with the pressure rather well for who he is and what he has gone through. I struggle every day dealing with 3,000 dollar hours cutting a pizza every 10 seconds and talking to customers with a smile on my face. You can call me fake for not being mean to them, but the fact is it's my job to give them a pleasant experience. Being good at that doesn't make me fake, it makes me devoted to my fucking work. All these hater people are ungrateful fucks.
srsly
Primadog United States. May 24 2012 17:21. Posts 4395
On May 24 2012 17:17 yoigen wrote: day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
Here comes the alternative gaming communities' copy-pastas.
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GreYMisT United States. May 24 2012 17:21. Posts 4666
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
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On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
srsly
Fyrewolf United States. May 24 2012 17:23. Posts 1428
Do you think he was getting subscribers and donations when he started the daily in the first place? No, he was not. He's obviously doing the show because he WANTS to do the show.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The statements are only misleading when you purposefully misinterpret them.
Honestly, regardless of Day9 being a nice person or not, I'm sure there was a financial motive behind this. I'm sure he figured down the road when more people are playing Starcraft 2, he could profit from it. Did he ever expect to grow this big? I'm not sure.
But for people to say he doesn't give a shit about money is straight up silly. If he didn't care about money, he'd donate the rest to tournaments or so after his standard expenses.
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
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Blazinghand United States. May 24 2012 17:23. Posts 12043
On May 24 2012 17:17 yoigen wrote: day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
Here comes the alternative gaming communities' copy-pastas.
Oh man, batten down the hatches. It's also worth noting that day9 has been like interviewed by Forbes and stuff-- he does a fair amount of outreach outside the traditional sc2 community. <3
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HolyArrow United States. May 24 2012 17:24. Posts 6147
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Unfortunately I can't trust your assessment since your narcissism means you could well think you know what you're talking about when you don't.
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On May 24 2012 15:30 TheWorldToCome wrote: For me I have always had a real big issue with the fact that he claims to be some SC2 guru with his day9 dalies, yet has never provided evidence on how good he is at SC2.
He claims he is GM in all 3 races yet has never provided proof of this. And the only games he ever streams of himself are like Amnesia and Diablo 3.
Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while.
This sums it up. claiming to have gm accounts with zero evidence, generally seeming to be pretentiously nice (some call fake) while not being so nice when the camera is off (as posted in first page). Also the fact that he asks and takes donations and seems to downplay the money he makes.
what? people were begging to give him money for so long, so he let them, there is nothing changed for people who dont wanna pay anything.
And he was asked SO MANY TIMES if he was GM or not, of course he is going to answer them eventually.
He could say that he's not? I mean, it's not a big deal (imo) if he isn't a GM level player. You can still understand the game well and not be in GM, you just don't have the time to practice (which is totally understandable in his position). There's no shame in it.
It doesn't really bother me, since I think he's a baller anyway, but if any other caster (let's say TB), said that they have three GM level accounts, well, let's be honest. The community would be on them to actually prove that they have those accounts in a heartbeat. Isn't that kind of strange?
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
you do realise on the dailies he has had time to get ready and is then live on air doing his show, during that video he is getting ready and prepping and trying to get stuff ready in his head. Facebook has alot of functions, he might be talking to someone on there about some info he needs to know, or getting something sent to him or posting some info about the event. Doing what he does doesn't mean he has to be bouncy all the time, when he is live he puts on a show as any good entertainer does, he is still very much himself just more settled as thats where he enjoys being. During prep work he is hardly going to be running round the studio.
Do you think he was getting subscribers and donations when he started the daily in the first place? No, he was not. He's obviously doing the show because he WANTS to do the show.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The statements are only misleading when you purposefully misinterpret them.
Honestly, regardless of Day9 being a nice person or not, I'm sure there was a financial motive behind this. I'm sure he figured down the road when more people are playing Starcraft 2, he could profit from it. Did he ever expect to grow this big? I'm not sure.
But for people to say he doesn't give a shit about money is straight up silly. If he didn't care about money, he'd donate the rest to tournaments or so after his standard expenses.
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
All of these people talking about how much money he makes tend to forget that he has an organization with employees and operation costs. That money from streaming gets redistributed. I'm not saying he's poor, but is he making as much as some of the streaming players individually? I don't think so.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
except all the people who DO know him more personally (i.e. players and other casters) won't ever call him out on it because it would ruin their own reputation due to day9's status in the community, apart from the people who don't care (idra, 2GD). people like JP even hinted at it but wouldn't talk about it because it would burn too many bridges. day9's done a lot for the community, but there's no way to say anything negative or give criticism to him with everyone holding him on this pedestal.
Mauldo United States. May 24 2012 17:26. Posts 611
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Wow Day9 handled that really well. It's the two other guys that look like assholes in this.
Yeah, those guys are complete jackasses. He says he's busy, so they zoom in on his laptop to see what he was doing? He's pretty obviously on Facebook. Neither I nor them nor anyone watching that video had to know that. And just walking up to him with a live camera rolling? I don't know if I would be rude when they initially walked up, but when they zoomed in on what I was doing? I'd have straight up said "Dude, what the fuck?" Even if they were zooming in for Rotterdam, there are better ways to get that shot. Like, you know, moving to the left a bit.
I like how when Incontrol and Idra and others come out with stories about how much of a douche Naniwa is people immediately responded with "Nuhuh, that can't be true! He's Swedish and good at the game! Who says they're not lying?!?!" But when a guy comes up with one instance of supposed rudeness and then backs it up with nothing else but more hearsay, he's suddenly a holy word bearer that we must take heed of.
This is, honestly, just more EG-brand hate. Everyone hates EG because they're the Yankees of SC2. Their players make the most money and win the most championships and shit like that. Everyone here hates on Day[9] because he (allegedly, we once again have no proof of this. Like everything else said against Day[9]) makes a lot of money and has a lot of fans and is a lightning rod for outside interest into SC2. He's successful, so holy shit let's hate him.
I'm surprised, I thought Day[9] was the only person immune from blind, irrational, ridiculous Reddit hate. Apparently I was wrong. No one is.
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Blazinghand United States. May 24 2012 17:28. Posts 12043
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
except all the people who DO know him more personally (i.e. players and other casters) won't ever call him out on it because it would ruin their own reputation due to day9's status in the community, apart from the people who don't care (idra, 2GD). people like JP even hinted at it but wouldn't talk about it because it would burn too many bridges. day9's done a lot for the community, but there's no way to say anything negative or give criticism to him with everyone holding him on this pedestal.
I'm not saying the man is an angel, I'm just noting that those of us coming forwards with stories about him being nice are being met by... well, nothing. By people slinging conjecture and unrelated videos. Where's the tons of people coming forwards with personal anecdotes about day9 being a dick to them? The vast majority of us who have met him once or twice are like "well this guy is pretty legit" and I think that speaks for itself.
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On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
This is laughable. You can tell from the way that he pauses and his tone of voice that he's trying hard not to be rude, but really wants to be left alone to work on whatever he was doing. He did a better job than most people would at that point of not acting rude when a camera running live is jumped on them when they're in the middle of something.
On May 24 2012 17:11 phiinix wrote: It's kind of amusing to me that it seems that people are just so negative and cynical in their own lives that they just can't believe it's possible for someone to be as happy and social as day9 is.
I chuckled a bit at this. There are people saying 'How can you possibly be so naive as to believe that he's not really this elitist and terrible person behind the act he puts on' but can't consider the idea that he's actually just a really genuine guy who loves what he does.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
except all the people who DO know him more personally (i.e. players and other casters) won't ever call him out on it because it would ruin their own reputation due to day9's status in the community, apart from the people who don't care (idra, 2GD). people like JP even hinted at it but wouldn't talk about it because it would burn too many bridges. day9's done a lot for the community, but there's no way to say anything negative or give criticism to him with everyone holding him on this pedestal.
Do you think it is healthy in other sports for every person to start talking shit on each other? Is that not counterproductive towards making our community more accessible to the masses. That IS the goal. Stop worrying about who is being real, and enjoy the matches you are watching be casted, and stop harassing the players and casters incessantly in between every fucking match at a tournament. Don't harass them when they eat. etc... God it pains me when I'm at these events to see it. I got nervous to even talk to Sean each time I met him just because I didn't want to get in the way since I imagined how stressful his job must be.
I can sort of see how people are trying to plaster this kind of two faced persona about him everywhere with all the popularity he has gotten over the years, but it's just paranoia. its the same when your favorite band goes mainstream and you start crying about how it isn't the same, or that they've sold out. the difference here is whether you are a new fan or an old fan, you can LITERALLY look back on all the things he's done and continues to do for the community and discern his love for sc comes before money.
i'm glad he makes enough for a living. because i know he'd continue down this path even if he didn't get paid shit, like most people who follow their passions do, and its a shame when it happens. perhaps you can call it luck or 'fortunate' maybe, but its luck he's managed to create for himself.
Vimsey United Kingdom. May 24 2012 17:30. Posts 1742
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Are you serious? Two guys show up with a camera, don't even bother to ask him if he can talk, and he's "showing elitism" by refusing to submit to their rude poorly handled probe for an interview?
There can be perfectly legitimate criticisms of the man, but this is desperate.
Well they are not just two random guys, they work for ESL as casters for other games the same as Rotterdam does for SC2, ESL being the people behind the event who have paid to fly Day9 over there. Joe is also friend of 2GD and has cast with him on many occasions so that may explain a few things.
If an event organizer who is employing me as a caster walks up to me with a camera i might be a bit annoyed but i would put down the game I was playing to talk to them about the event I have come to cast. A lot of people seem to turn up to IEM events not knowing who is who in Europe, something Carmac likes to use at their expense a lot.
Maybe theres something there maybe there isnt but I would rather people like Idra and 2GD say it to my face and and they will. Also we can all be rude sometimes during a tiring day while working I know I am grumpy as hell sometimes.
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dronefarm United States. May 24 2012 17:33. Posts 260
This thread is getting out of hand. There are a lot of people who just want to take personal shots at day9. Like I said, I think it might be legit that he's rude to some people sometimes at events/etc and it may be worth having a discussion because a random guy working at an esports event who's being mistreated by a guy like day9, tasteless, Artosis, or someone else who everyone loves can't really say, "hey, this guy is acting like a douche at events", because he's not nearly as valuable to that event as the big name person and he's goign to get bounced if he tries to say something about it and the press is bad for the event.
The discussion of what recourse esports employees like this have in this kind of a situation might be good (I'm not saying this happens all the time in this instance, but it seems apparent it's happened at least a bit), and how to moniter this kind of behavior; as it is, I think this thread is turning into a shitfest and probably shoudl be closed :/
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