| schmutttt Australia. May 31 2012 00:45. Posts 1690 | Profile # |
OP piece of shit.
Still can't believe his ult hasn't been hotfixed yet. |
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| Sabin010 United States. May 31 2012 00:48. Posts 1041 | Profile # |
| Kayle ult is pretty good vs this asshole. He jumps up and Kayle says no quadra kill for you. What about Zhonya's, can you Zhonya's while he's in mid air to shut his ult down as well? |
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| Alaric France. May 31 2012 01:04. Posts 9248 | Profile # |
| You should be able to use Zhonya, but if it works like Vlad's pool or Akali's shroud work on Nautilus' ult, he'll just get the cd back (not sure about the mana, I didn't check). |
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| broz0rs United States. May 31 2012 02:16. Posts 1863 | Profile # |
why would "pro" players get Trinity over BT? He scales so hard with AD right now.
I always think about this track when I'm about to use his ult:
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| Bladeorade United States. May 31 2012 03:10. Posts 904 | Profile # |
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| gtrsrs United States. May 31 2012 04:00. Posts 4479 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 02:16 broz0rs wrote:why would "pro" players get Trinity over BT? He scales so hard with AD right now. I always think about this track when I'm about to use his ult: + Show Spoiler +
:bowdown:
hoopz barkley
shut up and jam
gotta have that tookis
such a good game
darius would fit perfectly in that game |
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| Conversion United States. May 31 2012 04:04. Posts 726 | Profile # |
| garen vs Darius (take my experience with a grain of salt) is Garen's win unless you take more than Darius' q+w until mod gameish. any later than that and Darius destroys garen |
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| reptile United States. May 31 2012 04:48. Posts 207 | Profile # |
| I'm not sure if I just got rolled or what, but 2 games in a row I got completely decimated as Darius playing top against Singed. He'd just run circles around me all day while tossing me about. |
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| Ghost-z United States. May 31 2012 05:27. Posts 399 | Profile # |
Fiora should also be able to lane against him early. At level 3 you have to wait for him to pull you in, then pop your W+E combo, wail on him 4x to fully stack your passive, then Q him in the face and Q again to escape. Darius' passive will out damage the heal from Fiora's passive but you should be able to stack yours faster than he can using E in addition to the 15AD you get from W passive; as long as you can disengage after the first 4 hits. Any more than 4 hits and darius' passive will wreak your heal. In between trades you can recover by last hitting minions for HP, he can't. Plus his Q pushes the lane hard so you will have to AA creeps to keep the wave just out of your tower range. Do not disengage with Q before he pulls you with his E or he will just bring you back into the fight and continue stacking his passive. Darius will win a prolonged engagment. Fiora has the ball in her court, can micro to win, but 1 mistake and darius can take the lane advantage.
Use smart casting to counter his Ult with your own Ult after level 6. You have to be quick while he's in the air for a split second. |
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| Shiv. May 31 2012 19:05. Posts 1903 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 18:50 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 18:45 Shiv. wrote:
On May 31 2012 18:05 Alaric wrote:
Renekton and Fiora have been mentioned here, I guess you could add Lee Sin as he has the tools to dictates how and when to engage/disengage, amongst others.
Renekton I can see, Fiora I haven't tried yet, even though I guess if she manages to parry his W that would work out well. I still don't see her outdamaging him, but I wouldn't know for sure. I've played against Lee twice and managed to tear him apart, just because it didn't seem to matter he can pick his engagements well because there simply was no good time for him to engage at all. That doesn't neccessarily say much about the MU per say, but that's how it went for me. I have no idea how Wukong, GP and Jax wouldn't get trashed, though, especially GP.
Wu and jax can disengage at will, and avoid attacks altogether wu and GP do extremely well building tanky, which gives them advantages over darius. winning you lane and having positive matchups aren't always about kills you know. GP has an added advantage of being able to kite darius.
I am fully aware how lanes are won, thank you very much. Wukong can disengage, but assuming you're not pushed up to Wukong's turret - what hinders Darius from just following you? I'm genuinely asking, I love Wukong myself but I only played that MU from the Darius side and won ezpz.
Jax I can see if he forfeits early CS, but he will never be able to engage on Darius and I see him having a hard time farming at all up untill 7-8, especially if Darius is able to control the wave. I might be very wrong about the Jax matchup and I guess I can see Jax pulling ahead with the help of his jungler.
I still don't see GP standing a chance though. Once Darius lands his E, GP can't really do all that much, can he? If GP was a manaless champion, I could see him going even, but with resource restrictions, there's only so many oranges he can eat.
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 bokeevboke Singapore. May 31 2012 20:41. Posts 1552 | Profile Blog # |
lets be honest here, darius is not "OH MY GOD OP'IEST SHIT EVER".
But there are phases in the game when he is too strong. 1v2 is like peace of cake for him after he wins his lane, sometimes he even can 1v3. He definitely needs some hotfix.
Eventhough I am not high elo player, still darius wrecks shit on our level and games become joyless. |
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| little fancy Germany. May 31 2012 21:44. Posts 1030 | Profile # |
The consensus of the latest SotL episode is that Darius is NOT op. They argue he can be countered in lane (but couldn't name 3 champs that do well against him from the top off their heads), is weak vs. kiting teams and becomes useless lategame except for his ult (which they admit is a little bit too strong in certain situations).
I still ban him. I lost almost every single game playing against him and never reached lategame where he is reputed to be weak...
€dit: nvm just realized Froggen plays normal where his enemies might not be that good compared to when he's playing ranked at 2.2k+ ELO.Last edit: 2012-05-31 21:48:14 |
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| Ghost-z United States. May 31 2012 23:15. Posts 399 | Profile # |
| The reason Darius feels so OP is because he is a E>W>Q>right click to win champion and because of his passive nobody can 1v1 him without loosing every single trade! He can be beaten but it requires twice as much micro from the other player and is very unforgiving because if you mess up once you're dead or forced to base. The AD scaling on his passive needs removed IMO and have his ult: only refresh half its CD on kill; reset it to like 10 seconds instead of instant CD; or increase the mana cost everytime he uses it like kogma's ult. |
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| Mogwai United States. June 01 2012 15:12. Posts 8053 | Profile Blog # |
On May 31 2012 23:15 Ghost-z wrote:
The reason Darius feels so OP is because he is a E>W>Q>right click to win champion and because of his passive nobody can 1v1 him without loosing every single trade! He can be beaten but it requires twice as much micro from the other player and is very unforgiving because if you mess up once you're dead or forced to base. The AD scaling on his passive needs removed IMO and have his ult: only refresh half its CD on kill; reset it to like 10 seconds instead of instant CD; or increase the mana cost everytime he uses it like kogma's ult.
those are both nerfs targetted at late game, where he's already kinda lackluster. mostly he needs base damage nerfs and range increases in order to even out his power curve IMO. |
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| WaveofShadow Canada. June 01 2012 15:26. Posts 5690 | Profile Blog # |
| One change I think he needs based on how many people use the ult to chunk people down to 10% before killing them (rather than using it as a killing blow, especially early game) is that the ult should clear all stacks of Hemorrhage, allowing a non-killing blow ult not to mean instant death anyway because of bleed damage. |
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| Mogwai United States. June 01 2012 15:30. Posts 8053 | Profile Blog # |
On June 01 2012 15:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
One change I think he needs based on how many people use the ult to chunk people down to 10% before killing them (rather than using it as a killing blow, especially early game) is that the ult should clear all stacks of Hemorrhage, allowing a non-killing blow ult not to mean instant death anyway because of bleed damage.
that's a pretty huge damage nerf on it. you effectively take away 2.0 AD magic damage from most use cases. would need some sort of compensation, which would make it nuttier in the KS scenario, which I think doesn't need help. I don't think this change is needed. |
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| PeT[uK] United States. June 01 2012 15:55. Posts 411 | Profile # |
| just fought him with jarvan and got my ass handed to me. It was so bad. |
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| Mogwai United States. June 02 2012 15:32. Posts 8053 | Profile Blog # |
| next patch probably kills him depending on the numbers decrease on his passive. Darius is too binary with his current ranged and CDs for them to just be hitting damage numbers IMO. |
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| Ryuu314 United States. June 02 2012 16:10. Posts 5395 | Profile # |
On June 02 2012 15:32 Mogwai wrote:
next patch probably kills him depending on the numbers decrease on his passive. Darius is too binary with his current ranged and CDs for them to just be hitting damage numbers IMO.
what about the damage on his ulti? it seems a little too high imo. |
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| schmutttt Australia. June 02 2012 16:16. Posts 1690 | Profile # |
| I just wish it wasn't true damage. True damage nuke on a CD that refreshes on kill, I hate how Riot intentionally make OP champs because they are so fucking greedy. |
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