On May 26 2012 06:19 mmp wrote: I think Buddhism / Will to Nothing / Eastern Asceticism is a rejection of life, an anesthetizing doctrine for the masses, and ultimately not a fulfilling way to live. Its seduction is the superficial relief it provides to vain lifestyle (nihilists believe all lifestyles are vain), but that doesn't mean a purposeful lifestyle is not worth pursuing.
If you enjoy asceticism too much, you'll starve to death.
For a deep analysis, read Will to Power by Nietzsche.
Just the fact that you posted an Alpha Centauri video makes you extra-cool.
Edit: To be honest, I was hoping the OP would be literally nothingness, and be a blank post.
Last edit: 2012-05-28 09:56:30
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peekn United States. May 28 2012 15:14. Posts 1138
Alright, I'm not to big into this whole philosophy stuff so I will give it my best shot at answering the OP's questions. I've skimmed through most of the posts in this thread and only saw the video that Candadar posted that really got to me.
A) I didn't really take anything away from the video he just sounded like he kept saying the same thing over and over but in different ways "your mind is void if it is pure" ect ect. I think that I disagree with his thought. Didn't alter my thoughts on the afterlife/death.
B) I find that people like to put more into death than what it really is, romanticize it if you will. The brain is nothing more than a electro-chemical computer, when shut off it stops functioning just like the computer that you are on now would. I often ponder the idea of not being, not existing, not thinking while going to sleep. It is a very odd thing to wrap your head around, very hard I think, I usually come to the conclusion that it is just like when you sleep and have no dreams. There is nothing going on, that you are aware of, when you are sleeping you just wake up the next morning. I'd imagine death to be like this, just without the waking up of course. That's about as deep I can get on that question
C) I've enjoy reading physics/science based books in my free time, which has enlightened me and changed my view of the universe so saying that our universe comes from nothing isn't what I believe in. I'm not afraid of dying, I don't think, but like everyone else I do have fear of things. + Show Spoiler +
like fucking spiders
I really don't want to get into the school of thought of "our achievements are nothing but dust" I really, really don't like this idea. The thought of limiting yourself because you think that your achievements will turn to dust is something that I will never believe in. Never limit, and never stop trying, the day that we do is the day that progress is halted and dreams are extinguished.
Note: I'm 100% atheist with background in science and mathematics. I know there are a lot of long posts in this thread so thanks for reading if you did.
Edit: I'd like to add this quote on the subject of the brain:
I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when it's components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken -down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark. -Stephen Hawking
On May 27 2012 23:39 xM(Z wrote: nope, i will not die. i will become the anti-me. then, the "nothingness" will have meaning.
what do you mean by this?
since antimatter (presumably) exists why an anti-me wouldn't?. it'll be just a different state of matter and/or energy and since this state, 'the living' state, is characterized by 'somethingness' why couldn't that other state be characterized/defined by 'nothingness'?.
also, i believe (kinda) that our mind already knows the secrets of the universe, it's rules, it's purpose and so on. the irony is that we don't know those, our consciousness does't. that knowledge is impaired by our physical and/or psychical limitations.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
On May 27 2012 23:39 xM(Z wrote: nope, i will not die. i will become the anti-me. then, the "nothingness" will have meaning.
what do you mean by this?
since antimatter (presumably) exists why an anti-me wouldn't?. it'll be just a different state of matter and/or energy and since this state, 'the living' state, is characterized by 'somethingness' why couldn't that other state be characterized/defined by 'nothingness'?.
also, i believe (kinda) that our mind already knows the secrets of the universe, it's rules, it's purpose and so on. the irony is that we don't know those, our consciousness does't. that knowledge is impaired by our physical and/or psychical limitations.
There are plenty of non-living things that exist, I don't quite get this. And how does our mind 'know' these things?
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
On May 27 2012 11:27 Shivvy wrote: For me it all doesn't make sense. I was raised Catholic but have been doing a bunch of research in to the whole Universe/Existential/Death topic and to be honest both the religious argument and scientific argument have equal pull in my mind.
(Before I continue, I must say that I've given up on the Bible-God being the real god, because there are simply too many bullcrap parts in the bible for me to believe that such a being would create humans with the possibility of being gay and then banish them from Heaven for it. So when I say the ''religious'' argument, I mean a Higher Power, a Creator, not someone that was created by humans.)
Essentially, science says that the Big Bang created everything out of basically nothing (I know this is a very simplistic version of the definition but I'm trying to keep things simple) and so for me to believe that nothing became everything is just about as crazy as believing that someone created all this for some greater purpose. This is why I don't look down on theists or atheists, both beliefs are credible in my opinion.
So I leave it at that. Whatever happens happens. We're NEVER going to be able to figure it out so we might as well live this life to the fullest and see what happens. I'll tell you one thing though; I'll be equally scared and excited if I know I'm told I have X amount of time left to live. Not because I'm suicidal or anything, but because death will be the greatest adventure ever.
This is not at all what the big bang says.
According to the Big Bang theory, the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding state.
Nothing did not magically become everything. The space between everything expanded. What you think is a crazy belief is simply your poor understanding of it. And why can't we figure it out? And death is no adventure, I'm afraid. Adventure is impossible if you do not exist.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
On May 28 2012 15:14 peekn wrote: Alright, I'm not to big into this whole philosophy stuff so I will give it my best shot at answering the OP's questions. I've skimmed through most of the posts in this thread and only saw the video that Candadar posted that really got to me.
A) I didn't really take anything away from the video he just sounded like he kept saying the same thing over and over but in different ways "your mind is void if it is pure" ect ect. I think that I disagree with his thought. Didn't alter my thoughts on the afterlife/death.
B) I find that people like to put more into death than what it really is, romanticize it if you will. The brain is nothing more than a electro-chemical computer, when shut off it stops functioning just like the computer that you are on now would. I often ponder the idea of not being, not existing, not thinking while going to sleep. It is a very odd thing to wrap your head around, very hard I think, I usually come to the conclusion that it is just like when you sleep and have no dreams. There is nothing going on, that you are aware of, when you are sleeping you just wake up the next morning. I'd imagine death to be like this, just without the waking up of course. That's about as deep I can get on that question
C) I've enjoy reading physics/science based books in my free time, which has enlightened me and changed my view of the universe so saying that our universe comes from nothing isn't what I believe in. I'm not afraid of dying, I don't think, but like everyone else I do have fear of things. + Show Spoiler +
like fucking spiders
I really don't want to get into the school of thought of "our achievements are nothing but dust" I really, really don't like this idea. The thought of limiting yourself because you think that your achievements will turn to dust is something that I will never believe in. Never limit, and never stop trying, the day that we do is the day that progress is halted and dreams are extinguished.
Note: I'm 100% atheist with background in science and mathematics. I know there are a lot of long posts in this thread so thanks for reading if you did.
There is brain activity while you are asleep. There is none when you are dead. Your 'achievements' are your own and subjective, they will die when you do, or people who forget them do. Your impact on the universe is eternal.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
On May 28 2012 15:14 peekn wrote: Alright, I'm not to big into this whole philosophy stuff so I will give it my best shot at answering the OP's questions. I've skimmed through most of the posts in this thread and only saw the video that Candadar posted that really got to me.
A) I didn't really take anything away from the video he just sounded like he kept saying the same thing over and over but in different ways "your mind is void if it is pure" ect ect. I think that I disagree with his thought. Didn't alter my thoughts on the afterlife/death.
B) I find that people like to put more into death than what it really is, romanticize it if you will. The brain is nothing more than a electro-chemical computer, when shut off it stops functioning just like the computer that you are on now would. I often ponder the idea of not being, not existing, not thinking while going to sleep. It is a very odd thing to wrap your head around, very hard I think, I usually come to the conclusion that it is just like when you sleep and have no dreams. There is nothing going on, that you are aware of, when you are sleeping you just wake up the next morning. I'd imagine death to be like this, just without the waking up of course. That's about as deep I can get on that question
C) I've enjoy reading physics/science based books in my free time, which has enlightened me and changed my view of the universe so saying that our universe comes from nothing isn't what I believe in. I'm not afraid of dying, I don't think, but like everyone else I do have fear of things. + Show Spoiler +
like fucking spiders
I really don't want to get into the school of thought of "our achievements are nothing but dust" I really, really don't like this idea. The thought of limiting yourself because you think that your achievements will turn to dust is something that I will never believe in. Never limit, and never stop trying, the day that we do is the day that progress is halted and dreams are extinguished.
Note: I'm 100% atheist with background in science and mathematics. I know there are a lot of long posts in this thread so thanks for reading if you did.
There is brain activity while you are asleep. There is none when you are dead. Your 'achievements' are your own and subjective, they will die when you do, or people who forget them do. Your impact on the universe is eternal.
That's why I said there are things going on just not that you are aware of, I know that your brain is active when you are sleeping... what do you think allows your heart to beat when you aren't awake. The only thing that matters in this discussion is consciousnesses.
It is very one dimensional to think that your achievements are what you make them, things that people do change the world, even the smallest of things. One should never think that they are insignificant, pointless or void everyone's contribution makes the world a better place and allows us to see the bigger picture.
On May 28 2012 15:14 peekn wrote: Alright, I'm not to big into this whole philosophy stuff so I will give it my best shot at answering the OP's questions. I've skimmed through most of the posts in this thread and only saw the video that Candadar posted that really got to me.
A) I didn't really take anything away from the video he just sounded like he kept saying the same thing over and over but in different ways "your mind is void if it is pure" ect ect. I think that I disagree with his thought. Didn't alter my thoughts on the afterlife/death.
B) I find that people like to put more into death than what it really is, romanticize it if you will. The brain is nothing more than a electro-chemical computer, when shut off it stops functioning just like the computer that you are on now would. I often ponder the idea of not being, not existing, not thinking while going to sleep. It is a very odd thing to wrap your head around, very hard I think, I usually come to the conclusion that it is just like when you sleep and have no dreams. There is nothing going on, that you are aware of, when you are sleeping you just wake up the next morning. I'd imagine death to be like this, just without the waking up of course. That's about as deep I can get on that question
C) I've enjoy reading physics/science based books in my free time, which has enlightened me and changed my view of the universe so saying that our universe comes from nothing isn't what I believe in. I'm not afraid of dying, I don't think, but like everyone else I do have fear of things. + Show Spoiler +
like fucking spiders
I really don't want to get into the school of thought of "our achievements are nothing but dust" I really, really don't like this idea. The thought of limiting yourself because you think that your achievements will turn to dust is something that I will never believe in. Never limit, and never stop trying, the day that we do is the day that progress is halted and dreams are extinguished.
Note: I'm 100% atheist with background in science and mathematics. I know there are a lot of long posts in this thread so thanks for reading if you did.
There is brain activity while you are asleep. There is none when you are dead. Your 'achievements' are your own and subjective, they will die when you do, or people who forget them do. Your impact on the universe is eternal.
That's why I said there are things going on just not that you are aware of, I know that your brain is active when you are sleeping... what do you think allows your heart to beat when you aren't awake. The only thing that matters in this discussion is consciousnesses.
It is very one dimensional to think that your achievements are what you make them, things that people do change the world, even the smallest of things. One should never think that they are insignificant, pointless or void everyone's contribution makes the world a better place and allows us to see the bigger picture.
I just think even a basic system monitoring is the same basic neuron-neuron signalling as during wake, and closer to it than it is to nothing. And your second point I very much agree with, I said "your impact... is eternal" in the post. I just think that "accomplishing" something of value is a subjective exercise. Whether something you did accomplished something exist only as long as there are those wanting to accomplish, or seeing value in something. The vast universe has no goals. There is no purpose but what you make it.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
sam!zdat United States. May 29 2012 09:48. Posts 4170
On May 29 2012 08:00 seppolevne wrote: There is no purpose but what you make it.
Purpose requires a world of others with which to share it. It is not what YOU make it, but what WE make it.
"Compared with the reality which comes from being seen and heard, even the greatest forces of intimate life - the passions of the heart, the thoughts of the mind, the delights of the senses - lead an uncertain, shadowy kind of existence unless and until they are transformed, deprivatizeed and deindividualized, as it were, into a shape to fit them for public appearance." - Hannah Arendt
(c.f. Freud but I don't want to hunt down the reference - he expresses this as a problematic rather than an imperative but it amounts to the same thing)
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gosuRob United States. May 29 2012 10:35. Posts 316
This is a very interesting philosophy. I like the Neil deGrasse Tyson's video posted on the first page where he discusses the origin of matter and the implications in terms of human composition. I can still remember the day when I looked up at the stars and realized that - despite the vast distances separating us - we are both just chemical reactions hurtling through space. This was both incredibly sobering and enlightening.
What we know of human consciousness has mostly been gleaned from personal experience. We know that it is a product of a closed system of reactions (physical self) and - since we can see signs of similar consciousness in similar systems - it is therefore my opinion that all systems have some form of meta-physical being. Since the universe itself is a system - I see death not as an end - but rather as a continuation of the being of the universe. All of these extra-dimensional consciousnesses are part of one another - just as our bodies both contain and are contained by the physical universe.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
LarJarsE United States. May 29 2012 10:45. Posts 1323
RAHAHAHAHHAHAA! I didnt watch the video! AND I'm POSTING! but foreals: I quite honestly believe that nothing happens when you die. We are humans, we have the ability to think and create complex ideas, so we want to believe that there is something besides nothingness when we die. It is a comforting idea.
I like to fish. I like to eat fish. When I catch a fish that I want to eat, I kill it, gut it while its still twitching, and throw it on ice until I cook it. Do I think that just because the fish is alive, its death will permit a release of spirit? Do I believe that human consciousness continues on another plane of reality or unreality after they die? No. It is depressing, but realistic. I am in no way trying to debunk the thread or be a downer, these are only my thoughts.
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Sovern United States. May 29 2012 10:52. Posts 312
A. I do agree with that he says in the video that everything in the end truely is nothingness and that our existance is merely a dream.
B. I believe that after we die that we can be reborn (reincarnation) and my theory for this is that if you were born once (your conscious that is) why cant you be born again just with a different personality. I do believe in a soul and that is also your consciousness. I also dont believe in any religious God's but I do not believe that we were by mere chance.
I think that it is ignorant to believe that the process of evolution and how life was "programmed" to form from organic matter, evolve, and have all of the physical organs and other advanced bodily functions that we all have were all done by mere chance. I used to be an atheist agnostic (still am I suppose) but after thinking about how everything in the universe just seems so well structured and to believe that everything including the laws of physics and the process of evolution, molecules, and everything else including the conscious mind coming from blind chance just seems so depressing, dull, and ignorant as it just doesnt make any sense or add up at all.
C. I completely agree that in the end ours fears and everything else do not matter as in the end we will all die and will have no memorys to live off of, you only have the present and even in the present everything is an illusion in my opinon as your mind is the gateway to the universe, without the mind to transpose to the consciousness (soul) nothing exists at all and you're back to a state of complete nothingness. I do believe that this life does have some purpose though or else why would we exist?
Silidons United States. May 29 2012 10:52. Posts 2785
hey i was looking for that video, saw it ages ago and loved the quote from it about not being afraid to die since everything came from nothing in the first place
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NeMeSiS3 Canada. May 28 2012 09:29. Posts 2969
