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 Silvertine United States. May 27 2012 22:41. Posts 509 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 22:39 Tommyth wrote:What happened in Squirtle vs Ret match? I can't find results and I sadly fell asleep during it  (it was 6 am in europe :S)
Squirtle won 2-1. |
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| grapedog United States. May 27 2012 22:46. Posts 119 | Profile # |
I'd be cool if there was more discussion about the other 15 guys in the tournament... why are we still caring about LastShadow? He performed very poorly, and he's out of the tourney... time to move on.
Was sad to see HuK go, but he definately was not playing at the top of his game today. Some sloppy mistakes on his part through pretty much all of his matches.
Sad to see Illusion and Ostijoy go so quickly as well. Perhaps Ostijoy is not on this level quite yet, but he put up some great games, very fun to watch games. |
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| Dodgin Canada. May 27 2012 22:46. Posts 25331 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 22:36 fcb10 wrote:
Why is this not considered a premium tournament? 41k prizepool, 2GSL semifinalists
"Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world."
fits the bill imo
Hmm not sure what's up with that, it was listed under premier tournaments since it was announced and now It's not? |
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| Theovide Sweden. May 27 2012 22:50. Posts 912 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 19:58 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 19:50 xsnac wrote:is fun how everyone say " lastshadow sucks " but they will never ever get as good as him  Day[9] if you see this , it was a great choice to invite lastshadow , i only watched redbull to see him play , not that i care so much about games but is nice to see a very fast player from time to time , even if he does shit
I think even I could have managed to survive a single zealot and I'm in Silver. He was dismal and in no way deserved the invite he got. That's fine. Players can be bad relative to other pros, we've seen it happen a lot and no one holds it against them. However when they are as BM, as egotistical and with the background of cheating that LastShadow has had, there is some enjoyment to be taken by watching a player like Ret (a good, solid, honest foreign player) absolutely maul him.
Dude, he was 14 when he cheated. And still I haven't seen anyone posting proof about LS being that total douchebag people try to make him out to be. On top of that, dying to that zealot+stalker was because he did an extremely greedy build, knowing he played against one of the top players in the world he took a huge risk, then made a small misstake, and boom he was dead, that's how it works at that level. |
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| Skyline026 Netherlands. May 27 2012 23:22. Posts 893 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 12:55 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 12:54 TheSwamp wrote:
On May 27 2012 12:54 Liquid`Ret wrote:
im so fucking sad that i lose to this shit every single tournamment it doesnt matter if i macro inject and overlord perfectly i just get raped by ff's no chance... and if you open anything other than 3 base they can just play something else so gg
We still love you Ret!
i dont care if you love me honestly (I do care, but you get what I mean) I want to win games and in practice i beat everybody the last 4 days then tournament day comes boom the grubby build that im 0-8 vs no matter what i do ROFL
Get to Korea, sit next to HerO for 20 hours straight and practice code S lvl ZvP
Positive mind, geloof erin Jos! |
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| Silvertine United States. May 27 2012 23:45. Posts 509 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 22:50 Theovide wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 19:58 Evangelist wrote:
On May 27 2012 19:50 xsnac wrote:is fun how everyone say " lastshadow sucks " but they will never ever get as good as him Day[9] if you see this , it was a great choice to invite lastshadow , i only watched redbull to see him play , not that i care so much about games but is nice to see a very fast player from time to time , even if he does shit
I think even I could have managed to survive a single zealot and I'm in Silver. He was dismal and in no way deserved the invite he got. That's fine. Players can be bad relative to other pros, we've seen it happen a lot and no one holds it against them. However when they are as BM, as egotistical and with the background of cheating that LastShadow has had, there is some enjoyment to be taken by watching a player like Ret (a good, solid, honest foreign player) absolutely maul him.
And still I haven't seen anyone posting proof about LS being that total douchebag people try to make him out to be.
Please someone bury this guy under the plethora of links that exist, I'm sure they're out there. |
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| Doodsmack United States. May 27 2012 23:55. Posts 2107 | Profile Blog # |
Would really love to see the proof if whatever terrible BM people are claiming from last shadow. All I've seen is him saying GSL is the only legit tournament and I've heard he said that most foreigners besides Stephano ret major etc are bad. If you think either if those things warrant hate against LS then sorry but you're oversensitive.
It's also not particularly intelligent to cite the allegation that he was kicked out of the gom house as fact. It's a he said she said type if thing and none of the sources can reasonably be assumed to be more reliable than the others.
Claiming that hate is warranted because LS cheated when he was 14 is also quite frankly unintelligent. Cheating as a teenager followed by not cheating again = forgiven.
And you can't possibly blame LS for accepting the invite. As far as that goes you can only blame the people who invited him. Especially if you're not also criticizing sheth and ostijiy.
In sum people are mad that LS got invited so they grasp at straws as reasons to hate him. Not only that but the criticism is out of proportion to the offense. It's probably a small group of people including Silverline posting again and again in this thread. Silverline clearly has a bone to pick because LS BMed him before. Sorry if you're still emotionally affected by that, maybe you should make a blog about it. |
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| ronpaul012 United States. May 27 2012 23:59. Posts 758 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 21:11 Integra wrote:
Regarding LastShadow, you can't really blame him for accepting the invite. What you could question is the people who invited him, like so many others already said, there were tons of people more deserving than LastShadow.
we've already discussed this multiple times in the thread. Nobody is blaming him for being there, that's Day9's fault. We're blaming him for talking shit and acting like a hot shot and not being able to put up results. |
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| Sein United States. May 28 2012 00:09. Posts 1654 | Profile Blog # |
On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account.
It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy. |
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| Silvertine United States. May 28 2012 00:16. Posts 509 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 23:55 Doodsmack wrote:
In sum people are mad that LS got invited so they grasp at straws as reasons to hate him. Not only that but the criticism is out of proportion to the offense. It's probably a small group of people including Silverline posting again and again in this thread. Silverline clearly has a bone to pick because LS BMed him before. Sorry if you're still emotionally affected by that, maybe you should make a blog about it.
At least get my name right when you're misrepresenting my views.
I'm not emotionally affected by him being a jackass at all, I found it hilarious while it was happening. As I said, he was raging at me as he was losing. Do you honestly think that I would be mad in that situation?
Would really love to see the proof if whatever terrible BM people are claiming from last shadow.
I don't have bookmarks of LS being an idiot, and if I did I'm sure you would go off about me being obsessed. So my ability to search for that evidence is no better than yours. I wouldn't be surprised if someone came in with some links though. |
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 SupLilSon Malaysia. May 28 2012 00:19. Posts 3172 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 00:09 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account. It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy.
Where's the proof of anything you are saying? I'm appalled that TL mods haven't been on people like you, making insane and spiteful claims about players without so much as a shred of proof. The guy cheated when he was younger? So did KawaiiRice, TT1 and Dimaga, where's the lynching for them? If you know anything about Terran or SC2 in general, you can tell that LS is an incredibly talented player and deserves to be there just as much as any foreign Terran. Please name me a Terran foreigner who wouldn't have been smashed by two of the strongest PvTers in GSL and one of the strongest if not the strongest foreign ZvTer. Once again, TL disgusts me as it shows it's true colors as an internet highschool where you have to be in with the cool kids or you just get shit on because you;re not part of the popular clique. If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at Day9 for inviting him, but the way people are deriding LS because he didn't do well in his first live tournament appearance is plain disgusting. |
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| Silvertine United States. May 28 2012 00:21. Posts 509 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 00:19 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 00:09 Sein wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account. It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy.
Where's the proof of anything you are saying? I'm appalled that TL mods haven't been on people like you, making insane and spiteful claims about players without so much as a shred of proof. The guy cheated when he was younger? So did KawaiiRice, TT1 and Dimaga, where's the lynching for them? If you know anything about Terran or SC2 in general, you can tell that LS is an incredibly talented player and deserves to be there just as much as any foreign Terran. Please name me a Terran foreigner who wouldn't have been smashed by two of the strongest PvTers in GSL and one of the strongest if not the strongest foreign ZvTer. Once again, TL disgusts me as it shows it's true colors as an internet highschool where you have to be in with the cool kids or you just get shit on because you;re not part of the popular clique. If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at Day9 for inviting him, but the way people are deriding LS because he didn't do well in his first live tournament appearance is plain disgusting.
Did you read any of the previous pages? Every single thing you said has already been contradicted maybe 10 times.
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| FrogOfWar Germany. May 28 2012 00:27. Posts 1245 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 22:23 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 21:25 FrogOfWar wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:52 Andorson wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:44 Titorelli wrote:
Sorry I didn't read the thread at all because I didn't want to spoiler myself. Where can I find the VODs if there are any?
Stream #2
Lastshadow didn't look that bad btw. Some bad luck combined with his opponents being extremely good. The disconnect was a shame, that could have worked out well for him, and taking a game off of Squirtle, even if not making it to the playoffs, would have drawn a different picture.
What bad luck? Of course his opponents were extremely good, no one expected him to win. What people are amazed by is just how badly he lost. He was beating himself in those games, his opponents weren't even relevant. If you do an extremely greedy mech build vs zerg and choose to attack with virtually nothing, you will get crushed by roaches. Your opponent may as well be in low masters if you're going to do that. The same thing goes for g1 against Squirtle, he lost to a zealot. You can't tell me that any random protoss player couldn't have done that. And he wasn't in a good position at all before that disconnect, that's why almost everyone thought he plug pulled(which he didn't). In fact he was in a pretty precarious situation, Squirtle was just about to hit a potent timing. If you want to say that one tournament isn't everything or give any other defense of LastShadow, that's fine. But to say that he didn't play god awful is just delusional.
You may be right. To my defense, I was expecting the worst after scanning through this thread, and then watching the games, I saw nothing that really made me cringe. And that losing to 1 zealot thing (even though it could be argued that he lost to the stalker  ), I kind of discounted that as an instance of risk taking that doesn't work out.
What bad luck? Above all, his group. |
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| Jazzman88 Canada. May 28 2012 00:28. Posts 254 | Profile # |
If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at Day9 for inviting him, but the way people are deriding LS because he didn't do well in his first live tournament appearance is plain disgusting.
I think that it was an error on the part of Day9 to invite him, but a couple of things: Naniwa did have to turn down an invite and we have no knowledge of how many people did turn down invites, necessitating quick replacements. Lastshadow may just have been handy. Secondly, while Osotojiy put up a couple of better games, he ALSO went 0-6 in the Group Stage, yet no one shits on him.
So the moral of the story seems to be: if you are ever accused of BM or cheating ever, people will hate on you for being a 'douchebag' or 'cheater', unless you are a gosu GSL player, in which case you get to do whatever the hell you want and it's awesome.
Also seems to me that a bunch of people are mad just because they heard Incontrol's strong opinions on the subject (not just here, reddit and other forums as well). I respect Incontrol a lot, but I wish people would stop citing him as their own opinion and bother to go out and look up stuff for themselves instead of going with all this second-hand, hearsay stuff. It's not that LastShadow is a perfect flower of nice-ness and the most gosu player ever (because he's clearly not), but I think as awkward as this situation was, it's been blown out of proportion. Let's try to not have another Destiny/Orb situation here. |
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| SupLilSon Malaysia. May 28 2012 00:31. Posts 3172 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 00:21 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 00:19 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 28 2012 00:09 Sein wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account. It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy.
Where's the proof of anything you are saying? I'm appalled that TL mods haven't been on people like you, making insane and spiteful claims about players without so much as a shred of proof. The guy cheated when he was younger? So did KawaiiRice, TT1 and Dimaga, where's the lynching for them? If you know anything about Terran or SC2 in general, you can tell that LS is an incredibly talented player and deserves to be there just as much as any foreign Terran. Please name me a Terran foreigner who wouldn't have been smashed by two of the strongest PvTers in GSL and one of the strongest if not the strongest foreign ZvTer. Once again, TL disgusts me as it shows it's true colors as an internet highschool where you have to be in with the cool kids or you just get shit on because you;re not part of the popular clique. If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at Day9 for inviting him, but the way people are deriding LS because he didn't do well in his first live tournament appearance is plain disgusting.
Did you read any of the previous pages? Every single thing you said has already been contradicted maybe 10 times.
No I didn't read any of the previous pages because I don't care about a bunch of internet warriors butthurt over someone's personality and hell bent on trying to ruin his name. And I don't see how anything I said can even be contradicted, so why don't you tell me. Either way, if you're shittalking someone, better be ready to provide proof. Right now you just look like a total tool.
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| Doodsmack United States. May 28 2012 00:48. Posts 2107 | Profile Blog # |
On May 28 2012 00:09 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account. It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy.
You are telling us that major is a more reliable source than LS?
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| Doodsmack United States. May 28 2012 00:53. Posts 2107 | Profile Blog # |
On May 28 2012 00:21 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 00:19 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 28 2012 00:09 Sein wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy.
Where's the proof of anything you are saying? I'm appalled that TL mods haven't been on people like you, making insane and spiteful claims about players without so much as a shred of proof. The guy cheated when he was younger? So did KawaiiRice, TT1 and Dimaga, where's the lynching for them? If you know anything about Terran or SC2 in general, you can tell that LS is an incredibly talented player and deserves to be there just as much as any foreign Terran. Please name me a Terran foreigner who wouldn't have been smashed by two of the strongest PvTers in GSL and one of the strongest if not the strongest foreign ZvTer. Once again, TL disgusts me as it shows it's true colors as an internet highschool where you have to be in with the cool kids or you just get shit on because you;re not part of the popular clique. If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at Day9 for inviting him, but the way people are deriding LS because he didn't do well in his first live tournament appearance is plain disgusting.
Did you read any of the previous pages? Every single thing you said has already been contradicted maybe 10 times.
You seem pretty good at telling people to go find the proof when it's not actually there lol. There has been no mention of kawaii/tt1/dimaga, no argument regarding whether other foreigners would also get smashe in the group due to the vT specialty of the opponents, and no actual proof or sources offered.
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| S_SienZ May 28 2012 00:54. Posts 1800 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 00:48 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 00:09 Sein wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account. It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy.
You are telling us that major is a more reliable source than LS?
Not just MajOr. MajOr AND desRow !!!
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| WhiteLantern May 28 2012 00:59. Posts 13 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 19:58 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 19:50 xsnac wrote:is fun how everyone say " lastshadow sucks " but they will never ever get as good as him Day[9] if you see this , it was a great choice to invite lastshadow , i only watched redbull to see him play , not that i care so much about games but is nice to see a very fast player from time to time , even if he does shit
I think even I could have managed to survive a single zealot and I'm in Silver. He was dismal and in no way deserved the invite he got. That's fine. Players can be bad relative to other pros, we've seen it happen a lot and no one holds it against them. However when they are as BM, as egotistical and with the background of cheating that LastShadow has had, there is some enjoyment to be taken by watching a player like Ret (a good, solid, honest foreign player) absolutely maul him.
I just wanted to say how absolutely hilarious I thought this post was. "Even as a Silver league player I could CC first vs. two of the top 5 Protoss players in the world and do better than LS"
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| Silvertine United States. May 28 2012 01:04. Posts 509 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 00:31 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 00:21 Silvertine wrote:
On May 28 2012 00:19 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 28 2012 00:09 Sein wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:27 perser84 wrote:
guys i dont care if he cheat in the past....
i heard he is 18 or 20 ?
dude i never cheated but did other shit when i was in his age
everybody made mistakes and i have the feeling that he try to redeem himself
he is bad mannered so what
i know some badmannered player in the past remember ?
like or naniwa or ragequiting idra
but now they are fine
fact is he is gm on korean servers
and that means for me alot
He is a repeat offender for cheating. He is infamous for his BM and acting quite immature in the forums, apparently not much better in real life either as he was kicked out of the GOM house. I remember that around the same time, he tried to brag about his ladder points then was intercepted by Major who pointed out that he got paid by LS to ladder up that account. It doesn't seem that this is a "but now they are fine" thing with this guy.
Where's the proof of anything you are saying? I'm appalled that TL mods haven't been on people like you, making insane and spiteful claims about players without so much as a shred of proof. The guy cheated when he was younger? So did KawaiiRice, TT1 and Dimaga, where's the lynching for them? If you know anything about Terran or SC2 in general, you can tell that LS is an incredibly talented player and deserves to be there just as much as any foreign Terran. Please name me a Terran foreigner who wouldn't have been smashed by two of the strongest PvTers in GSL and one of the strongest if not the strongest foreign ZvTer. Once again, TL disgusts me as it shows it's true colors as an internet highschool where you have to be in with the cool kids or you just get shit on because you;re not part of the popular clique. If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at Day9 for inviting him, but the way people are deriding LS because he didn't do well in his first live tournament appearance is plain disgusting.
Did you read any of the previous pages? Every single thing you said has already been contradicted maybe 10 times.
No I didn't read any of the previous pages because I don't care about a bunch of internet warriors butthurt over someone's personality and hell bent on trying to ruin his name. And I don't see how anything I said can even be contradicted, so why don't you tell me. Either way, if you're shittalking someone, better be ready to provide proof. Right now you just look like a total tool.
You make it clear that you don't care what other people have to say and that it doesn't matter to you if your statements were already contradicted. Given that attitude why would I even bother?
It's that type of approach that muddles up threads. Since you don't even check the last few pages it just makes the discussion go in circles.
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