 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi Israel. May 26 2012 23:04. Posts 157 | Profile # |
Like many Broodwar fans, I immediately sneered at the possibility of SC2 being good. No, correct that, when SC2 came out, I think I might have broke a rib having a good laugh "lol is this erally what they are replacing the epic Broodwar?" Call it elitism, but there was simply no way this game is even in the radar. It could have been Diablo X or Donkey Kong for all I cared, only that it bore the name of the game I love the most.
Then, lightning struck. Not only is SC2 going mainstream, at least that's what many SC2 people say, but the Korean BW scene will be moving into a slow and agonizing transition to SC2. Every true Broodwar fan and their dogs and mothers wept, that I am sure. I tried to hold on to every last drop of hope, but it is really happening. BW will soon be past, and if I wanted to see my favorite players and their games, I have to learn to like and accept SC2, just as they did.
These past few days and weeks, I have been sitting quietly and observing, taking care not to provoke anything between the fans of the two games. Then I realized, this game is not so bad after all. In fact, it is not only not bad, it is actually enjoyable and more fan friendly. Of course there are still balance issues that need to be addressed, at least from a BW fan perspective, but I leave that to the more abled progamers to comment on. The bottomline is, SC2 is actually an enjoyable game, both for the fans and the players (I have not ventured into seriously playing it yet) and there is as a matter of cold hard fact a large opportunity for it to improve and take on as the worthy successor to great Broodwar as the king of Esports. The fact that BW progamers jumped in could only help its case. They are not crashing the game, at least not yet, but they are certainly improving the general appeal and competitiveness of the game.
I would like to think that other BW fans are enjoying it too, and that all those stubborn resistance were legitimate anxieties on people who loved something for so long and having it taken away so suddenly. I wonder how the other BW fans are taking it? Are you getting the hang of it as well and look forward to how the players and the game will evolve soon, and maybe recreate the intensity and competitiveness we feel during BW games? Share your thoughts.
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| mrtomjones Canada. May 26 2012 23:05. Posts 3878 | Profile # |
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| Josh_rakoons United Kingdom. May 26 2012 23:06. Posts 1157 | Profile # |
| Awesome! But i think this should be in blogs :D |
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| IBringUFire Germany. May 26 2012 23:07. Posts 94 | Profile Blog # |
This is the attitude we need.
Really nice thread! |
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| Diizzy United States. May 26 2012 23:09. Posts 742 | Profile # |
| uh stork vs zero in sc2 was a pretty entertaining game for bw players just starting out. hell even the phoenix vs phoenix micro was pretty fun to watch from stardust and mini. |
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| fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi Israel. May 26 2012 23:11. Posts 157 | Profile # |
On May 26 2012 23:06 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Awesome! But i think this should be in blogs :D
Thanks. but I think this should stay in the SC2 forum because the purpose of this thread is to solicit the reaction and experiences of BW guys and how the transition has been so far, starting with my own. |
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| Klipsys United States. May 26 2012 23:12. Posts 1210 | Profile Blog # |
The game is amazing. It's not BW, but that's okay! It's still Starcraft. It's fast and furious and beautiful to watch. The amazingness of this game comes from the decision making/micro more than the mechanics imo.
Since the game is "easier" from a mechanics perspective, BW pro's are going to have to refocus their APMs to something more useful (since they don't have to rally workers to mine or have lots of control groups of units etc) JD was commenting how once he figures out how to use his raw skill he will be much better at the game
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 Aunvilgod May 26 2012 23:18. Posts 2031 | Profile # |
The lategame of that zero game was pretty good, even on foreigner standard in my opinion. Lastshadow mentioned that there was a Z or P player that was really good and would cause a metagame-shift in an interview. I think he might have spoken about zero with his pukelord-spinecrawler pushing.
The earlygame however was stupid though. Zero was scouted triple-expanding, stork could have just killed him.
On May 26 2012 23:12 Klipsys wrote:
The game is amazing. It's not BW, but that's okay! It's still Starcraft. It's fast and furious and beautiful to watch. The amazingness of this game comes from the decision making/micro more than the mechanics imo.
Since the game is "easier" from a mechanics perspective, BW pro's are going to have to refocus their APMs to something more useful (since they don't have to rally workers to mine or have lots of control groups of units etc) JD was commenting how once he figures out how to use his raw skill he will be much better at the game
Current SCII games lack mechanics pretty bad though. Too often you see drops being spotted without reaction, bad creepspread or even stalkers being killed by marines in the early game. There is just so much more possible.Last edit: 2012-05-26 23:20:58 |
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| awwnuts07 United States. May 26 2012 23:23. Posts 604 | Profile Blog # |
Well, it's hard to blame the BW fans for their sneering when SC2 FIRST came out. Good lord, the first few months of SC2 were practically all 1 or 2 base all ins. Thankfully, things are different now. I personally can't wait to see what BW alpha dogs can do with this simplified UI.
On May 26 2012 23:18 Aunvilgod wrote:
Current SCII games lack mechanics pretty bad though. Too often you see drops being spotted without reaction, bad creepspread or even stalkers being killed by marines in the early game. There is just so much more possible.
I would agree. But there are a few standouts, like Liquid's own HerO. The dood is my favorite player simply because he reminds me so much of Bisu.Last edit: 2012-05-26 23:25:56 |
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| Klipsys United States. May 26 2012 23:27. Posts 1210 | Profile Blog # |
On May 26 2012 23:18 Aunvilgod wrote:The lategame of that zero game was pretty good, even on foreigner standard in my opinion. Lastshadow mentioned that there was a Z or P player that was really good and would cause a metagame-shift in an interview. I think he might have spoken about zero with his pukelord-spinecrawler pushing. The earlygame however was stupid though. Zero was scouted triple-expanding, stork could have just killed him.
Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 23:12 Klipsys wrote:
The game is amazing. It's not BW, but that's okay! It's still Starcraft. It's fast and furious and beautiful to watch. The amazingness of this game comes from the decision making/micro more than the mechanics imo.
Since the game is "easier" from a mechanics perspective, BW pro's are going to have to refocus their APMs to something more useful (since they don't have to rally workers to mine or have lots of control groups of units etc) JD was commenting how once he figures out how to use his raw skill he will be much better at the game
Current SCII games lack mechanics pretty bad though. Too often you see drops being spotted without reaction, bad creepspread or even stalkers being killed by marines in the early game. There is just so much more possible.
Yeah, there's a ton of room for improvment for sure. The first person to master the micro macro (like injects and CB perfect not just spending and expanding) AND mechanics of SC2 will be the first bonjwa for sure lol. |
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| BlindKill Australia. May 26 2012 23:39. Posts 1181 | Profile # |
| 5 rax reaper, 1 supply roach, steppes of war.... beta was the bomb yo |
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| robm United States. May 26 2012 23:55. Posts 55 | Profile # |
I have to give a shout out to Sayle here, because while I used to play Brood War back in the late 90's, I was never very good at it. A friend got me a copy of SC2, and I got really into it, and when I wanted to explore Brood War again Sayle's casts were perfect for it. He's funny, and he knows a lot about the game, so it was interesting to get some perspective on Starcraft's history outside of the old games we played (where a buddy always went mass carrier and most of the time none of us could beat him).
I wish more pros played SC2BW. It's an incredible mod, MavericK has done a superb job with it. One of the most entertaining games I watched was Sheth playing a FFA against someone who went mass carrier, and in 30 seconds the carriers were dead to a defiler and some hydras. |
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| Grampz United States. May 27 2012 00:00. Posts 2067 | Profile # |
There is just some things that you will never see again because blizzard is just too stubborn... ie: LAN...
But they are both good games, bw way more developed and had the entire korean government backing it for so long, being on korea in TV, its a shame it never got the foreign appeal it deserved. But that was then this is now, Star2 is pretty damn good. Come such a long way from where it was at the start. |
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| gCgCrypto Germany. May 27 2012 00:04. Posts 282 | Profile # |
| Good post, apriciate your opinion! thats what we need, and thats what you need to switch games. If you´d just sit there and say SC2 is retarded you would never like it, no matter how good it would get! so welcome to SC2 my friend =) |
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| Holytornados United States. May 27 2012 00:04. Posts 625 | Profile # |
| I can't disagree. SC2 is very entertaining to watch, and the balance is to come in the future. |
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| ntssauce Germany. May 27 2012 00:14. Posts 469 | Profile # |
| Welcome to the dark side ! wuhahahaha |
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| Valikyr Sweden. May 27 2012 00:17. Posts 2226 | Profile # |
I am sad that BW is dieing because I personally think BW is the best game ever made but what SC2 has evolved into is a good enough game to watch instead. It keeps getting better and better too. Can't wait for HotS.
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| Iroh England. May 27 2012 00:37. Posts 45 | Profile # |
| Welcome aboard the good ship SC2. I agree that it is much more fan friendly. With the whole balance issue, remember there are 2 expansions to come and is still (even a year and a half - two years in) too early for the game to be perfect. |
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| pOnarreT May 27 2012 00:51. Posts 153 | Profile # |
| The thing is, some BW players are just afraid to lose the time they invested in BW. I don't see them as elite and why would they be? Because they played BW? I don't even give a damn about that game but not in a disrespecting kind of way. In a way that I don't play it so I am not really interested in the scene. If someone plays BW for 10 years but he sucked all those years, is he still elite? "Elitism" has been used in BW so much since SC2 came that it lost it's meaning. |
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| Wrathsc2 United States. May 27 2012 00:57. Posts 1858 | Profile # |
| Soon you will see the epicness. Sc2 is fucking awesome. |
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