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| [sc1f]eonzerg Spain. May 29 2012 01:31. Posts 1487 | Profile Blog # |
| ye and forget sayle... we need send him stephano replays to cast now -_-;; |
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| Heathen Philippines. May 29 2012 01:47. Posts 314 | Profile # |
| I dont think Skizy can win. Pusan progamer |
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| BlazeFury01 United States. May 29 2012 01:50. Posts 1354 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 01:47 Heathen wrote: I dont think Skizy can win. Pusan progamer
So is turn and he lost to a protoss with 3 probe. |
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ImbaTosS United Kingdom. May 29 2012 01:54. Posts 1217 | Profile Blog # |
I really don't understand how people are angry about this 0.o A slight communication problem, and it will be shown in a few days. Everyone involved is doing their best and as for casting times, I'm often very busy during the week as I'm sure many of you are. Time zone differences can really compound that problem.
Just chill- a few extra days to watch an awesome event, which is organised entirely for you, for free, and for the love of BW, is really neither here nor there. It's just mad to get cross about it. |
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| Skeggaba Korea (South). May 29 2012 01:59. Posts 1509 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 01:54 ImbaTosS wrote: I really don't understand how people are angry about this 0.o A slight communication problem, and it will be shown in a few days. Everyone involved is doing their best and as for casting times, I'm often very busy during the week as I'm sure many of you are. Time zone differences can really compound that problem.
Just chill- a few extra days to watch an awesome event, which is organised entirely for you, for free, and for the love of BW, is really neither here nor there. It's just mad to get cross about it.
I dont think anyone is mad, just overly excited. A foreigner vs a former BW god? When have we ever seen anything like this? I cant recall a single time, and just remember how excited people were for the estro b-teamers games ... PLEASE CAST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SINCE IM DYING :D |
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| Hyeon Korea (South). May 29 2012 02:01. Posts 366 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 01:03 538 wrote: Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 23:54 Hyeon wrote: On May 28 2012 21:51 538 wrote: That's so silly, why is the stream password protected in the first place? bgvrt told me on stream chat it was at the organizer's request.
If you're organizing an event, people don't care when are the games actually played if they cant watch it live. As such, that "May 28th / 14:00 CET" is an utterly useless piece of information for an ordinary viewer. What the OP should contain as a date is the time of the actually available stream, with or without casting.
This is a very basic accessibility problem, and you're shooting yourself in the foot with it. Please treat the fans nicer, you're supposed to be doing this for them.
My request? What? Really? I never asked bgvrt / pusan to put password on stream. I even don't know who bgvrt, just saw him restreams some afreeca channels. Also, i was watching Pusan's stream and observing. But there was no password, then how could i watch it? Because i'm korean? Don't get me wrong. Also, reason why i asked Hacklebeast and EleGant to do this on Weekends is because of Defi. Defi's on holiday now, don't want to do that without him(it's defi who sponsored). I already annouced on OP that it will be casted later today... Seriously, if you are a friend of bgvrt tell him to say truth, not trying to make dramas. I'll ask Sayle to do this or when he replies or Hacklebeast/EleGant when they answer.
I'm sure you, defi, the casters, and everyone else included in making this event happen want as many people to watch this as possible. For that goal, providing the fans easy access to it is just as important as making the showmatch happen. What you should be doing: - Agree with the casters on a casting date beforehand! (It looks like this didn't happen) - Make that date publicly available, and advertise well in advance so people can prepare! - Make it clear if there's going to be a live stream or not! If there is no live cast, then people don't care about when the games are played. The fact that you told us when are the games played made people expect a livestream of some sorts, that's why we went to bgvrt, because that was the only stream we were told about by anyone! It was your shortcomings that enabled any misunderstanding to happen in the first place! (Were you watching Pusan on afreeca? In that case the answer to your question is yes, only Koreans can watch streams there. If it wasn't on afreeca, then the question is once again - why didn't you tell everyone about that stream?) The fact that some restream was password protected is just a small problem here. The bigger problem is that you're not providing an easy way for people to follow this event. Agree beforehand with the casters about the cast date, and advertise that date well in advance (try to add it to the BW calendar if you're serious about it), and link a stream in the original post when it is live. In my eyes, that is the most senseful and beneficial way to organize this, anything less doesn't do justice to the epicness of such a showmatch! I truly appreciate your efforts, I'm just trying to help with my suggestions!
First of all, thank you for your suggestions. I should organize clearly next time, dunno if Defi's going to ask me more.
Secondly, i didn't watch Pusan's stream for fun but to know what he says about sziky and how many koreans watch Pusan's stream. I could have just observer and watch replays after the showmatches if for fun. Actually, ninazerg put this(date of the cast) + Show Spoiler +To be determined; later that day, most likely , i should have told her that it will be casted this weekend. I think she mentioned "later that day" because last time, Draw casted after ICC-CL which is 2hrs after the showmatch between Sziky and Han. And all i said was "hope bgvrt or kjcwj don't stream" and said "Anyhow you know the results, please don't be a spoiler". I didn't push anyone not to stream Pusan's.
Anyway, My bad i wasn't clear to ninazerg about the casting dates.
But what i feel bad is, you REALLY heard bgvrt saying "Organizer asked me to stop streaming or put password"? Seriously? He really told you what you just wrote? If not, at least you should say sorry or make an appology.
EDIT I asked Hacklebeast and EleGant to cast it on this weekend(June 2nd or 3rd) because of timezone and considering their own schedules.Last edit: 2012-05-29 02:06:16 |
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| Hyeon Korea (South). May 29 2012 02:15. Posts 366 | Profile Blog # |
Announcement
Hacklebeast will cast on this Wednesday, 18CET @ http://twitch.tv/hacklebeast. Hopefully EleGant would join if he's okay..
And sorry guys, about the casting time. Will be clear from next showmatch :/ Message me if there's any suggestions, recommendations. |
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| 538 Hungary. May 29 2012 03:07. Posts 3774 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 02:01 Hyeon wrote: But what i feel bad is, you REALLY heard bgvrt saying "Organizer asked me to stop streaming or put password"? Seriously? He really told you what you just wrote? If not, at least you should say sorry or make an appology.
My memory is faded by now, but I wrote that post immediately after having the conversation with him, so I don't think I misremembered what he said. (I asked in the chat "why is the stream password-protected in the first place?") As gutshot added/corrected me earlier:
On May 29 2012 00:48 gutshot wrote: Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:51 538 wrote: That's so silly, why is the stream password protected in the first place? bgvrt told me on stream chat it was at the organizer's request.
If you're organizing an event, people don't care when are the games actually played if they cant watch it live. As such, that "May 28th / 14:00 CET" is an utterly useless piece of information for an ordinary viewer. What the OP should contain as a date is the time of the actually available stream, with or without casting.
This is a very basic accessibility problem, and you're shooting yourself in the foot with it. Please treat the fans nicer, you're supposed to be doing this for them.
Bgvrt didn't say it was at the organizer's request but it was rather for not spoiling the resultsI agree with the other part that the playtime shouldn't have been announced if streaming was not available at the same time
I also recall him adding it was to avoid spoilers, but all in all, he still clearly gave me the impression that it wasnt his idea but he was asked to do so.
With all that said, it's not impossible that there has been a misunderstanding between us, I do apologize if that's the case. |
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| [sc1f]eonzerg Spain. May 29 2012 03:16. Posts 1487 | Profile Blog # |
| Whatever bvgrt was streaming pusan fpview. im ok with the new date streaming. SZIKY MONSTAAA |
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| Skeggaba Korea (South). May 29 2012 03:32. Posts 1509 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 02:15 Hyeon wrote:AnnouncementHacklebeast will cast on this Wednesday, 18CET @ http://twitch.tv/hacklebeast.Hopefully EleGant would join if he's okay.. And sorry guys, about the casting time. Will be clear from next showmatch :/ Message me if there's any suggestions, recommendations.
SORRY? You are amazing, I love you, and I love you. Nothing more. Imma take the week of to prepare for this! |
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BisuDagger United States. May 29 2012 04:55. Posts 5422 | Profile Blog # |
| Can't wait to watch this. Love Pusan. |
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Sayle United Kingdom. May 29 2012 06:28. Posts 2701 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 01:59 Skeggaba wrote: I dont think anyone is mad, just overly excited. A foreigner vs a former BW god? When have we ever seen anything like this? I cant recall a single time
You mean besides every year at WCG?
Anyway, I just got home so I didn't see the Skype messages until too late. Looks like you guys got it sorted anyway. |
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| Skeggaba Korea (South). May 29 2012 07:07. Posts 1509 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 06:28 Sayle wrote: Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 01:59 Skeggaba wrote: I dont think anyone is mad, just overly excited. A foreigner vs a former BW god? When have we ever seen anything like this? I cant recall a single time
You mean besides every year at WCG? Anyway, I just got home so I didn't see the Skype messages until too late. Looks like you guys got it sorted anyway.
I was thinking about the format mostly; foreigners rarely gets more than one game against the koreans. Im not saying that Pusan is Bisu, but he is an absolute legend, at least in my book. |
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| Zergneedsfood United States. May 29 2012 07:15. Posts 5347 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 06:28 Sayle wrote: Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 01:59 Skeggaba wrote: I dont think anyone is mad, just overly excited. A foreigner vs a former BW god? When have we ever seen anything like this? I cant recall a single time
You mean besides every year at WCG? Anyway, I just got home so I didn't see the Skype messages until too late. Looks like you guys got it sorted anyway.
Yeah, it was recently when uhh...Infernal played Flash or something. Happens a lot. Doesn't make it any less exciting though. |
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| IntoTheheart Canada. May 29 2012 08:18. Posts 2728 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 07:15 Zergneedsfood wrote: Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 06:28 Sayle wrote: On May 29 2012 01:59 Skeggaba wrote: I dont think anyone is mad, just overly excited. A foreigner vs a former BW god? When have we ever seen anything like this? I cant recall a single time
You mean besides every year at WCG? Anyway, I just got home so I didn't see the Skype messages until too late. Looks like you guys got it sorted anyway.
Yeah, it was recently when uhh...Infernal played Flash or something. Happens a lot. Doesn't make it any less exciting though.
Didn't Flash use something similar to how Fantasy plays? It was ridiculous. |
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| IntoTheheart Canada. May 29 2012 11:15. Posts 2728 | Profile Blog # |
so it's time to start taking out Korean progamers.
Wait is Pusan still an active progamer? I thought he retired for a bit to coach but is now half-coaching and half-playing. |
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| dRaW Canada. May 29 2012 11:28. Posts 3507 | Profile Blog # |
pusan is active ladder (as in he will play almost every week ) but he's still in great shape, I am glad that hacklebeast will stream on wednesday so I have a chance to view this
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| ninazerg United States. May 29 2012 13:44. Posts 1837 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 02:01 Hyeon wrote: Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 01:03 538 wrote: On May 28 2012 23:54 Hyeon wrote: On May 28 2012 21:51 538 wrote: That's so silly, why is the stream password protected in the first place? bgvrt told me on stream chat it was at the organizer's request.
If you're organizing an event, people don't care when are the games actually played if they cant watch it live. As such, that "May 28th / 14:00 CET" is an utterly useless piece of information for an ordinary viewer. What the OP should contain as a date is the time of the actually available stream, with or without casting.
This is a very basic accessibility problem, and you're shooting yourself in the foot with it. Please treat the fans nicer, you're supposed to be doing this for them.
My request? What? Really? I never asked bgvrt / pusan to put password on stream. I even don't know who bgvrt, just saw him restreams some afreeca channels. Also, i was watching Pusan's stream and observing. But there was no password, then how could i watch it? Because i'm korean? Don't get me wrong. Also, reason why i asked Hacklebeast and EleGant to do this on Weekends is because of Defi. Defi's on holiday now, don't want to do that without him(it's defi who sponsored). I already annouced on OP that it will be casted later today... Seriously, if you are a friend of bgvrt tell him to say truth, not trying to make dramas. I'll ask Sayle to do this or when he replies or Hacklebeast/EleGant when they answer.
I'm sure you, defi, the casters, and everyone else included in making this event happen want as many people to watch this as possible. For that goal, providing the fans easy access to it is just as important as making the showmatch happen. What you should be doing: - Agree with the casters on a casting date beforehand! (It looks like this didn't happen) - Make that date publicly available, and advertise well in advance so people can prepare! - Make it clear if there's going to be a live stream or not! If there is no live cast, then people don't care about when the games are played. The fact that you told us when are the games played made people expect a livestream of some sorts, that's why we went to bgvrt, because that was the only stream we were told about by anyone! It was your shortcomings that enabled any misunderstanding to happen in the first place! (Were you watching Pusan on afreeca? In that case the answer to your question is yes, only Koreans can watch streams there. If it wasn't on afreeca, then the question is once again - why didn't you tell everyone about that stream?) The fact that some restream was password protected is just a small problem here. The bigger problem is that you're not providing an easy way for people to follow this event. Agree beforehand with the casters about the cast date, and advertise that date well in advance (try to add it to the BW calendar if you're serious about it), and link a stream in the original post when it is live. In my eyes, that is the most senseful and beneficial way to organize this, anything less doesn't do justice to the epicness of such a showmatch! I truly appreciate your efforts, I'm just trying to help with my suggestions!
First of all, thank you for your suggestions. I should organize clearly next time, dunno if Defi's going to ask me more. Secondly, i didn't watch Pusan's stream for fun but to know what he says about sziky and how many koreans watch Pusan's stream. I could have just observer and watch replays after the showmatches if for fun. Actually, ninazerg put this(date of the cast) + Show Spoiler +To be determined; later that day, most likely , i should have told her that it will be casted this weekend. I think she mentioned "later that day" because last time, Draw casted after ICC-CL which is 2hrs after the showmatch between Sziky and Han. And all i said was "hope bgvrt or kjcwj don't stream" and said "Anyhow you know the results, please don't be a spoiler". I didn't push anyone not to stream Pusan's. Anyway, My bad i wasn't clear to ninazerg about the casting dates. But what i feel bad is, you REALLY heard bgvrt saying "Organizer asked me to stop streaming or put password"? Seriously? He really told you what you just wrote? If not, at least you should say sorry or make an appology. EDIT I asked Hacklebeast and EleGant to cast it on this weekend(June 2nd or 3rd) because of timezone and considering their own schedules.
I don't think you can really fault yourself for not knowing the casting date because the match was so last-minute (That's the way BroodWar stuff should be done!) but now you have a date and time, so everything is going to be okay. |
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| StorrZerg United States. May 30 2012 03:59. Posts 8998 | Profile Blog # |
| This tonight? hope i'm getting this right |
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