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| Xatalos Finland. June 02 2012 07:17. Posts 890 | Profile # |
| Wow, that's incredible. It was Suki of those two after all... This makes Ange777 and even Unforgiven_ve look pretty townie. Only Superouman is left of my earlier suspects, but even he doesn't look that suspicious. I'll have to reread the discussion before the deadline. |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 02 2012 07:18. Posts 935 | Profile # |
| Rock and roll. Sorry about your buddy Heist. |
| | how if I seem like fox b Lynch I not inspire hippie--Blazinghand |
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| Vivax Italy. June 02 2012 07:22. Posts 3858 | Profile Blog # |
I doubt I can change things now that I'm proven dead wrong. No, I'm not dead. There still are lurkers.
I will keep scumhunting and ignore accusations against me day 2 simply because I might not be able to defend myself in the light of this event and I don't want to waste energy on it.
My suspects against Ange777 were genuine. Her reads were without doubt better, and i got fooled by Sukis' postings.
However, mafia stepping out to defend someone who has a majority against him isn't mafia. That's usually where the bussing starts.
Feel free to call me a bloody noob. But think twice before thinking I'm mafia. |
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| heist United States. June 02 2012 07:22. Posts 719 | Profile # |
| I've clearly laid out my reasoning for everything and if you fail to see it then fine. I've got bigger worries, notibly Vivax. |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 02 2012 07:22. Posts 935 | Profile # |
| Have a look at the events before that lynch. Heist comes in at the 11th hour to to push hard on Unforgiven, and before that he really didn't do much. I need to look more at the filters, as this is more of a gut reaction, but I feel my direction is good. |
| | how if I seem like fox b Lynch I not inspire hippie--Blazinghand |
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| Toadesstern Germany. June 02 2012 07:25. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
| ShiaoPi replaces O.Golden_ne as of now! |
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| ShiaoPi Taiwan. June 02 2012 07:26. Posts 1357 | Profile # |
Well well hello (again) all!
I'll be rereading everything and post tomorrow just saying hello for now! |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 02 2012 07:26. Posts 935 | Profile # |
| Welcome ShiaoPi. Another familiar face is a good thing. |
| | how if I seem like fox b Lynch I not inspire hippie--Blazinghand |
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| sciberbia United States. June 02 2012 07:32. Posts 784 | Profile # |
I'm just enjoying the moment. We nailed the best possible lynch, and got a megaton of information along the way. Again, well done guys.
This gives us some information on the setup. We either have both a cop and a medic, or neither. With the roleblocker dead, it opens up the possibility for our cop (if we have one) to come out with guaranteed medic protection. I'm not so sure that this is a good idea so early though. I'll think on it.
Anyway, I'm just gonna take a break and then reread the thread, especially all that last-minute chaos. I'll probably post again before I go to sleep in about 6 hours.
Oh and welcome shiaopi  |
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| Vivax Italy. June 02 2012 07:32. Posts 3858 | Profile Blog # | |
| | Auctoritas non veritas facit legem 81 |
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| Ange777 Germany. June 02 2012 07:35. Posts 664 | Profile Blog # |
Given Vivax' behaviour, his lack of content when defending Suki, his constant attacks at my credibility only for lurking, his odd reasoning he is my number 1 scum read right now.
+ Show Spoiler +Great, now I am being targeted in TL Mafia LV as well ....  Hope you guys don't mind if I am a bit more active in that game near its deadlines. |
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 02 2012 07:38. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
| Lolz, I rule, bunch of noobs |
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| Vivax Italy. June 02 2012 07:40. Posts 3858 | Profile Blog # |
For the newcomers: I've had my name changed from Cattivik to Vivax during the game. Just so you don't get confused from the posts i linked to.
Anyway, in light of the events I'll drop the FoS bomb.You might have noticed I like direct accusations.
FoS: Eishi_Ki , then Miltonkram.
Stop suspecting heist, he was the first to defend Ange777 against my accusations and kept that stance throughout this whole last phase. He would have wanted her to get lynched if he was mafia. |
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| Xatalos Finland. June 02 2012 08:15. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On June 02 2012 07:38 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Lolz, I rule, bunch of noobs
I think you must be town unless you planned a really risky bussing strategy with Suki for this game. That's still the only (although significant) thing going for you. Can you tell us who are your other Mafia reads? What do you think of Vivax, Heist, s0Lstice and me for being opposed to the lynch? What about Ange777? Are you still suspicious/neutral towards her?
I don't think Vivax is Mafia, although I was wrong about Suki too. He has put his own credibility on the line so many times, even brazenly defending Suki while it seemed inevitable he would be lynched.
I'm not so sure about Heist. You haven't done much in the game so far, except when Suki had pressure on him. On the other hand, you were very active in the lynch discussion and focused on ensuring the lynch. I want to see you push an original case sooner rather than later.
Not much to say about s0Lstice, he has been active and helpful after the suboptimal start. Not likely Mafia.
All in all, I'm most concerned about Heist among us who opposed lynching Suki. But I'm also concerned about those who stayed out of the spotlight as we went closer to the deadline, such as Eishi_Ki, Miltonkram, sciberbia and Superouman. I want to hear your explanations for avoiding (or mostly avoiding) the most important event in the game so far, and I want some substance to make up for it.
I'm really tired right now and I'm going to sleep. I feel confident there's enough material to find the remaining Mafia already, so I'll have to read a lot of filters when I get back. Ange777, you're pushing for Vivax, and although you were already right about Suki, I'm not convinced about Vivax at the moment. I'll have to read through his filter next to search for the signs you're seeing. |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 02 2012 08:20. Posts 935 | Profile # |
Vivax, an important note about Heist defending Ange777. He did so AFTER she switched over to attacking Unforgiven. Look at the times.
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On June 02 2012 04:37 Ange777 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 04:29 Unforgiven_ve wrote:This extended mayority lynch will fuck us pretty bad, mafia are theonly ones benefiting from this i think... This new case (and votes) against Ange777... i did told you mafia would come at last hours for some activity uh? She's is now on my list, but suki remains number one, specially after this
On June 02 2012 01:45 suki wrote:
I feel that lynching unforgiven at this point would give us a sure mafia lynch, but from the tone of the thread it doesn't seem like it will pass. I'll put off this discussion until day two.
Ange777 already has four votes on him, and by lynching him we rid ourselves of a lurker. To guarantee a Day 1 lynch I will vote for Ange777.
##Unvote Unforgiven_ve
##Vote Ange777
Same random blind vote agains a case someone's else stated For me, suki is still number 1, if Ange777 flips red this will just convice me even more, i bet they are wishing for a NL. I will change my vote before deadline if neccesary, i still have a couple hour to burn. As always, if anyone has any question please ask
Okay ... seems like I have to step back from a Unforgiven defense ... What are you implying here? That if I flipped red you would be even more convinced that Suki is scum? If you truly think both of us scum there would be no way Suki wants to vote for me. He could easily stick to his vote on you and claim that he is still 100% convinced of you being mafia. High chance for other people to vote for me anyway, so why would he have to vote for me, make himself suspicious of vote switching and bandwaggoning? Furthermore, losing a scum buddy on day 1 would be awful for him. He would indeed prefer a NL instead of my lynch and therefore NOT vote for me! You just made yourself highly suspicious!
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On June 02 2012 05:37 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 04:29 Unforgiven_ve wrote:Danm...i thought this language thing would not be a problem, i see im mistaken... I see my first post still is a problem for some players, i will try to summarize my response (for the last time) taking this post...
he states that you shouldn't use past games as a guide, yet he references two past games in the same post. He states that blue people shouldn't roleclaim, and yet they should roleclaim (as a last resort!). He states that mafia is more active during the last hours of the day, yet he slips in that he'll save his vote for the last hours as well, as if by stating it early he alleviates all suspicions on his actions later on. He's really against bandwagons, yet he asks for a town leader for people to follow.
when i say "dont use past game as a guide" i mean personally, dont look for the other games some especific player has played (¿sp?), they can change their way of playing very easily. I just had played 1 game, blue roleclaiming at the end of the game is pretty obvious for me. I said i will save my vote for the last triying to show the town how is my style" of play, like i said, watching all the post, getting information, etc...but i see maybe i was wrong, one should adapt to the way the TOWN plays. When i say town leader i ment someone who are good at making indepth anaysis and posts, who could get people thinking, who can sumarize 10 pages in one post... i think i did not made it very clear, but for a mafia this would be VERY hard to do, thats what i ment when i said "structure" just one or a couple of good players, not someone we will blindly follow...i forgot im in a newbie game ;D. Now to all the new information... __________________________________________________________________________ This extended mayority lynch will fuck us pretty bad, mafia are theonly ones benefiting from this i think... This new case (and votes) against Ange777... i did told you mafia would come at last hours for some activity uh? She's is now on my list, but suki remains number one, specially after this
On June 02 2012 01:45 suki wrote:
I feel that lynching unforgiven at this point would give us a sure mafia lynch, but from the tone of the thread it doesn't seem like it will pass. I'll put off this discussion until day two.
Ange777 already has four votes on him, and by lynching him we rid ourselves of a lurker. To guarantee a Day 1 lynch I will vote for Ange777.
##Unvote Unforgiven_ve
##Vote Ange777
Same random blind vote agains a case someone's else started. s0Lstice: + Show Spoiler +
On June 02 2012 02:37 s0Lstice wrote:
Xatalos asked me how I felt about Unforgiven in light of his defense.
I'm leaving my FoS where it is. When he finally had a little time to scum hunt, he pointed the finger at suki. It was a novel idea at the time, but to me it lacked effort. Look at sciberbia's post compared to his. Now, not all accusations have to have a big word count to be effective, but his effort just looks lazy. Does the reasoning he laid out really warrant a vote? Not to me.
He says Suki never pressured anyone, which is ironic because a big part of sciberbia's case is that he bandwagon pressured a lot of people. Whether he was first on the scene or not, he has pressured milton, unforgiven, vivix, and superouman. Saying he hasn't pressured anyone is just false.
His case is just 4 short points. The first I just discussed. Past that, his other points are a short filter, safe day 1 play, and some nonsense about taunting cattivik to butter him up for a day 2 vote. It's just not a lot to go on. Keep that in mind.
In his defense posts, he says we should discuss everything and nothing at the same time. Don't throw FoS around, or votes. Don't use meta arguments. What is his idea of hunting scum? Those two things are very important tools for applying pressure. He says we need structure, but never says what that is outside from some leader emerging to tell us what to do. His message remains totally unclear. Wait, be smart about scumhunting, and let people talk...but don't use half the tools in your arsenal to get them to talk.
He doesn't follow his own rules. He posts a 'meh' case on Suki and then votes right away. If he was following his own rules, I'd think he'd at least wait for a defense before throwing his vote around.
Bottom line is I like that he has started to make some effort to hunt scum, and I realize that he has had to spend a lot of time defending himself, but there are still so many inconsistencies in his play that my FoS stays put. I will keep watching.
On refresh I see there's a lot of other stuff going on right now so I'd better hurry up and post!
ç Some tother time would say you are not good at reading and throw a light insult ;D but at this point of the game i (think?) know is me not knowing how to make a proper post. Im not good at writing long posts thats why i try to resume and point to the precise stuff i find scummy. Suki voted for Ange77 to enforce a day 1 lynch especially since YOU had only a single vote. For me, suki is still number 1, if Ange777 flips red this will just convice me even more, i bet they are wishing for a NL. I will change my vote before deadline if neccesary, i still have a couple hour to burn. As always, if anyone has any question please ask
You are literally going after everyone who has found you suspicious. And these are all pretty weak claims. You start going off on Ange77 for "siding with you too strongly"? I think you are taking bandwaggoning a bit too far. She had her own analysis. You somehow tie together both suki and ange77 as mafia scum? What??? You explicitly state that you are going to disregard Solstice and don't bother to defend yourself. I am not completely convinced about Suki and the main accusation right now seems to refer to the switch vote to Ange77. We decided we wanted a day 1 lynch. We needed a majority. Perhaps he wanted to lay down his vote incase he missed the deadline. Bandwaggoning I find is useless accusation in and of itself. In a complete body of work it can greatly support a claim. But we need this majority for a lynch and I can completely see him changing his vote with Unforgiven's case rapidly losing steam. My vote is currently useless. I will be changing to Unforgiven_ve. His recent behavior is really undermining my previous judgment. ##Unvote##Vote: Unforgiven_ve
So no, I don't think I'll be backing off him, thanks though. |
| | how if I seem like fox b Lynch I not inspire hippie--Blazinghand |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 02 2012 08:21. Posts 935 | Profile # |
| EBWOP: misquoted Ange, in her post at the end is an FoS on Unforgiven |
| | how if I seem like fox b Lynch I not inspire hippie--Blazinghand |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 02 2012 08:32. Posts 935 | Profile # |
On June 02 2012 07:38 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Lolz, I rule, bunch of noobs
This is just rude. Cut it out. It takes 7 votes to lynch someone, and you spent the time before the lynch flopping around like a fish out of water, reduced to pleading for votes. It's not our fault you drew so much suspicion for playing like shit.
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| | how if I seem like fox b Lynch I not inspire hippie--Blazinghand |
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| Miltonkram United States. June 02 2012 08:45. Posts 310 | Profile # |
Welcome, ShiaoPi! Good to see you again!
Just because we lynched and hit red does not mean that Unforgiven is clear of suspicion. Let's not forget that his original case against suki was not very good. Sciberbia was the actual driving force behind it. It could have been a weak "bus" attempt that Unforgiven hoped would gain him town cred. His play close to deadline was also appalling. My original read on him was bad/confusing town but he's getting closer and closer to scum territory.
I'm off to work. Thanks for lifting my spirits with that lynch guys! |
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 02 2012 09:19. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
Ange
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 02 2012 07:08 Ange777 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 07:01 Vivax wrote:
You said you changed your opinion=You don't suspect him while you actually still suspect him while he's being the main pusher of the suki case. You can't push the case while suspecting the one who started it. It's mafia play. It would be plain stupid by mafia to push a case against their own.
In the beginning I just thought Unforgiven's play to be awful (no offense!).
non taken ;D...
Ok, to the people who says i could be mafia and just pushed the case on suki as mafia strategy...STOP THIS...remember this is a extended mayority lynch, the more you confuse people the harder it gets to reach mayority, now you see why i said "PLAY SMART" ?? its even more important in this kind of game... check my last posts, besides me, who was REALLY PUSHING on suki?
answer: nobody. |
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 02 2012 09:24. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
On June 02 2012 08:32 s0Lstice wrote:This is just rude. Cut it out. It takes 7 votes to lynch someone, and you spent the time before the lynch flopping around like a fish out of water, reduced to pleading for votes. It's not our fault you drew so much suspicion for playing like shit.
lol, just saw this, sorry ... its just what you experts refer as "metagame"? |
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