Newbie Mini XV - Page 19

Do you see anybody else here calling other people names? Want to know why it's just you? Because you're being an asshole. Assholes insult people, and then tell them not to take it personal, like that makes it ok. This being a game doesn't give you license to be condescending and disrespectful. In fact, it's the opposite. If you want respect, you show respect. I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, you have made this game less fun with your recent posts.

- I woke up about 5 hours before the deadline.
- I spent about 2 hours reading the thread and making some posts.
- I was AFK for about two hours.
- I returned with less than an hour left. I made a post and followed the thread until the deadline.

By nature, I'm not aggressive, emotional, or overly sure of myself, so I may not have been as "in the spotlight" as other players such as Vivax, Ange, Unforgiven. But, I think I contributed all my relevant opinions to the discussion and tried to steer us on the right track. Not sure what else you really wanted from me.

For most of day 1, he has had one target, and that is Vivix.

His first accusation against him contained the following points: a perceived contradiction, and his views/defense of sciberbia.

This is the contradiction. Vivix says he sees the reason behind sciberbia's no-lynch argument, but still prefers to lynch. Seeing the logic and worthyness of considering of an idea, but still coming down on the other side of it is not a contradiction, provided you supply the reasons for doing so. Vivix does; he says he still wants to lynch to get rid of lurkers right off the bat or act on a strong scum read, and get lynch information earlier rather than later.

His views and defense on sciberbia have been covered a lot, so I'll just say one thing about this. Vivix has been steadfast in his convictions consistently. At the time, the sample size was small and no pattern had developed yet, so the suspicion is warranted. As the game goes on however, nobody should be surprised that Vivix was so sure on his first town read. He is consistently steadfast in all of his opinions.

Moving on. He posts some filler before addressing Vivix again. The filler is basically asking Eishi_Ki to clarify his thoughts on Vivix, asks Vivix to post more, and pressures the lurkers. Nothing really scummy here, he is just doing due diligence on his case.

His second address to Vivix has one repeated point and one new one: Vivix' sure read on sciberbia, and his hasty vote on Eishi_Ki. His read on sciberbia I've talked about already...his vote on Eishi_Ki represented his first scum hunting target. He went after him full force and voted. Again, these are consistent with Vivix' aggressive play. He defends a town read aggressively, and pursues a scum read aggressively.

Next he addresses someone new, and its Unforgiven. He chimes in with his thoughts, which is fine. It's the current subject matter. He uses a lot of words to say that he agrees on the suspicions, but will reserve judgement. It's a very safe stance. He follows this up with further safe pressure on the lurkers.

His third address to Vivix. He again uses a lot of words to say basically: I don't agree that your high activity and extremeness makes you absolutely town, and you may be doing it to obscure the scummy things you do. This is trumped up WIFOM + Show Spoiler + There's a reason constant aggression reads as town: because in more cases than not, it is town.

His fourth address to Vivix. He harps again on Vivix' opinion of sciberbia. He keeps driving this point, and damns him for finding a townie and not hunting scum. Except....Vivix has been hunting his top scum read: Eishi_Ki. This just makes no sense. Vivix scum hunt was aggressive and obvious. There is no excuse for ignoring it in this context.

You know who else kept harping on Vivix' opinion of sciberbia? Suki

Something else Suki did was to drop his main suspicion in favor of another target. Heist does this too, stating that he is giving Vivix the benefit of the doubt, and then votes for a lurker. Not the lurker that has had the most buzz going for a policy lynch, but Superouman. Essentially a wasted vote.

In summary:
-Pursues case on Vivix on the basis of three weak point
-his fast read and defense of sciberbia
-WIFOM on how his aggression is a scum ruse
-spending time confirming townies and not hunting scum, even though he is
-Only other scum hunting is lurker pressure, and 'wait and see' on Unforgiven
-Drops his main read on the basis of 'giving the benefit of the doubt'
-votes for a lurker that had no policy lynch buzz as of yet

I'll start here, when the votes counted thusly:
+ Show Spoiler +

This is shortly after Ange shows up. She takes the time to defend herself some and promises a scum read soon. While she is away doing that, sciberbia makes a post trying to organize everyone onto one person, and the votes on Ange go to 6 when I vote.

Ange comes back and posts her read on Suki. It is solid, compelling, and, as we know now, dead on. She votes Suki right away, giving him 3 votes. Xatalos responds that he likes her contribution, and sciberbia comes back trying to illustrate how lynching suki is the best option for us as a group based on our stated convictions. Unforgiven chimes in to reinforce his Suki vote. I mention as well that her case is pretty good, and combined with all else, would draw my vote if he was our choice.

The atmosphere at was pretty anti-Suki, and only getting worse. With Ange posting a very solid scum read, and a couple people suggesting she should live. If this goes further, Suki would definitely replace Ange as the consensus choice.

Now Ange pursues Unforgiven, and pretty hard too, dropping a quick FoS. Xatalos follows up with his earlier suspicions and votes for him. This is a shake and bake counter movement to the building case on Suki. While this is going on, Suki draws another vote from Milton. That makes 4.

This is when Heist enters, when Suki is in a lot of danger, and there is a counter-movement swelling. He jumps all over Unforgiven. He went from non-commital on Unforgiven to all out war without any in-between, right at the time when the case was countering Suki's. He flat out yells at Vivix to not vote for Suki. He removes his vote on Superouman citing it as useless, only to place it on another useless case that had the third most votes. The only conceivable use it has is to stop the lynch of Suki.

With 12 minutes left, he switches to Suki once it is clear that he is the consensus choice. This gave us majority on Suki, but Xatalos had already agreed that he would vote to ensure a lynch vs a no-lynch if it came to it, so it was going to happen anyway. What it also does is give him some deniability when Suki flipped scum. Not a lot, but some.

In summary:
-swoops in when the pressure on Suki is getting bad
-pursues a useless counter-case vigorously against a player who he has been ambivalent about
-switches his useless vote from one place to another useless place
-was one of the very last to come in to vote for suki

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298&currentpage=6#103

O.Golden_ne's filter mostly coincides with that of heist when it comes to changing and setting trends.
To his defense, he didn't question my read regarding sciberbia=townie as much as suki and heist.
Not so good: He acknowledged mafia first post is improbable, however he didn't produce any information regarding the matter by himself, he grappled onto miltonkram's opinion instead.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298&currentpage=8#142

I'm especially interested in his voting pattern in this post. He has 2 lurkers, me and unforgiven_ve while there's a bandwagon forming on him initially pushed by s0lstice and Xatalos, while now he's a confirmed townie.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298&currentpage=10#196

Quite decisive post, he tries the same maneuver as heist and wants to deflect attention from suki.
You might think now, I've done that too. There is a difference between my behavior and that of heist and O.Golden:
First of all, heist and O.Golden never say that suki might be town like I did.
If that's not keeping one's head low, I don't know, they preferred to emphasize the importance of a lurker lynch instead of attacking the case on suki like I did, which would bite you in the ass later if you were mafia. It's just safer play for scum.
You know my style, I'm posting a lot, I'm aggressive, I don't fear making mistakes when I'm completely sure of my case.

Then I have been pushing the D1 lynch on Ange777 from the start, heist preferred to vote for another lurker (superouman)...And O.Golden_ne didn't vote at all. He still had plenty of time to vote, but he kept lurking until his party evening, while stirring suspicions against other players, never taking a hard stance.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298&currentpage=9#178

This is one of my analysis posts. Look how i resume that suki actually supported some of the pressure on Eishi_Ki, I forgot his stance on Eishi when lynch time came and got fooled into believing he's townie.

This is his stance on Eishi_Ki: