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| Toadesstern Germany. June 09 2012 08:40. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
Oh and btw sorry for those 2 modkills but with already 2 replacements and 3 people who were in danger of being modkilled multiple times (heist got back every time, don't know if that was on purpose lol) I really couldn't keep on replacing people all the time 
I hope I didn't screw up hosting my first game  |
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 09 2012 08:41. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
The following players I think we could get lynched without too much problems:
Unforgiven_ve
Superouman
Cattivik
Ange777
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 09 2012 08:42. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
On June 09 2012 08:38 Miltonkram wrote:
@ Unforgiven
Stop insulting people. There is absolutely no place for it in the after game discussion.
ok grandma |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 09 2012 08:46. Posts 803 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 08:39 ShiaoPi wrote:Just a general question was heist that obvious as scum? I feel really bad for having defended him all day
I had my eye on him, and wanted to see what he did around lynch time. His tunneling of Unforgiven was all the confirmation I needed for my read.
In some coaching PM's, Marvellosity mentioned to me that it was more likely that people would be confused by his eventual vote on suki, so I don't think you should be tarred and feathered or anything ;D
Also I want to take the time to say a BIG thank you to both Marvellosity and Mementoss for their helpful coaching. It is such a wonderful resource, and I encourage everyone to make use of it if you play in further newbie games. |
| | JD: Please, don't destroy 6 o'clock || Tossgirl: Say I'm pretty || JD: Eh...just destroy 6 then |
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| Toadesstern Germany. June 09 2012 08:47. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
Oh btw in case people have not realized: It was the boring 9 VT set-up. No Town PR and the roleblocker could not do a thing.
The nights were booooring with nothing to do. |
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 08:49. Posts 890 | Profile # |
| I'd like to see some sort of analysis on how the game went... Maybe from Toad? I feel pretty good now, although I had some luck on my side (2 modkills, ShiaoPi misreading heist...). Although I feel pretty sad that suki was lynched Day 1 and heist was basically a "confirmed Mafia" for most of the game. It would have been more interesting if our whole team had been more hidden and there weren't any modkills :/ Anyways, a really fun game! I can't play anymore for some time (going to military service in less than a month now) but I'll be sure to play again later on |
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 08:53. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 08:26 sciberbia wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm so upset about this. gg xatalos and mafia
Sorry sciberbia... If you read the MafiaQT, you'll see that I picked you on purpose to "buddy" and make you blind to me being Mafia A viable tactic, although a bit unfair for you. It worked very well in my previous game as Mafia, so I used it in this game to a very large extent (Vivax, sciberbia, austinmcc, Miltonkram...).
Btw, I encourage you all to read the MafiaQT. Some really funny moments there! :D |
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| austinmcc United States. June 09 2012 08:53. Posts 2942 | Profile # |
Yup, big thanks to the coaches. Mementoss, I didn't use you, but I'll assume your coaching was as good as Marv's. He managed to be really helpful without giving away or hinting at his own reads.
When I was reading over the setups pre-game, the all VT set-up sounded so much worse than the others. I was pleasantly surprised by how it worked out though, didn't actually notice the power roles lacking while playing. All it did was seem to confirm sciberbia, if anyone had suspicions, because of his comment on what Suki's roleblocker flip meant for the setup. |
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 09 2012 08:55. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
Xatalos 06-03-2012 01:07 PM ET (US) Buhahaha, this is golden!!! Thank you so much ShiaoPi for making my life easier
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 08:55. Posts 890 | Profile # |
| Haha, I'm surprised the ObsQT didn't figure me out until the very end. It was pretty obvious though after I shot Unforgiven_ve... |
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 08:55. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 08:55 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Show nested quote +Xatalos 06-03-2012 01:07 PM ET (US) Buhahaha, this is golden!!! Thank you so much ShiaoPi for making my life easier
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| ShiaoPi Taiwan. June 09 2012 08:57. Posts 1357 | Profile # |
Thanks solstice at least a bit of consolation 
I feel I got really badly set up by Goldens post though. Sooo annoying to be unable to respond to these, guess that's the downside of replacing. and I almost forgot to thank marvellosity for some great coaching!
To the more veteran players was there still a chance to convince town on the last day? I felt really frustrated and helpless |
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| s0Lstice United States. June 09 2012 08:59. Posts 803 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 08:55 Xatalos wrote:
Haha, I'm surprised the ObsQT didn't figure me out until the very end. It was pretty obvious though after I shot Unforgiven_ve...
I had you figured out sooner than that ;D
Here's a PM to Marvel:
To: marvellosity [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Newbie Mini XV
Date: 6/8/12 09:32
I must confess I as a spectator I haven't been as studious.
Austin- I'm fairly certain he is town, based on ange's actions against suki. Plus he could have caused a no-lynch day 3 without much effort or risk, but chose not to. Must be town.
Milton- I think he is town as well. I've seen him play scum and this doesn't look like that. He has made a case on Ange that was not without sound reasoning at the time. He pursued Heist when he could have just as easily blended in on another target if he was scum.
Unforgiven- I am perplexed. He has reduced himself to insulting people and just giving orders like 'do this, do that.' If he is scum, he bussed both of his teammates (very unlikely). What's more, he was the first guy to attack suki. Despite his confusing play, I think he must be town.
That leaves ShiaoPi and Xatalos.
The obvious answer is ShiaoPi based on how he refused to vote for heist. Also, he replaced Golden, who weakly tunneled someone who I read as strong town. Making a case on Vivax is easy peasy for scum, because he was playing recklessly/aggressively. That said, he really was trying to hunt scum. He made reads and pursued them, though his conclusions always appeared wrong to me. He has been constant and steadfast in his defense of heist, which would be REALLY odd if they were scum teammates. My conclusion here is that he is a misguided townie. I've also seen his townie play, and this looks pretty similar.
I think the last scum is Xatalos. I think he wisely bussed heist, and got some mad townie cred for doing so. With people like Unforgiven being generally confusing and anti-town, and ShiaoPi strongly defending a guy who just flipped scum, he can bus heist and watch while those two get lynched next. He was the last to vote for suki, and was, like heist, pushing Unforgiven to suck votes away from suki on day 1.
His direct interactions with heist are also strange. He votes for him on the day vivax is going to be lynched, but votes vivax in the end. He gets town cred for voting heist when he eventually flipped scum, and doesn't get a lot of blame for lynching vivax since he was a driving force for it. This is an excellent bus, he doesn't hurt his teammate too badly and also helps himself a lot. Also, over the course of the game he was posting a lot of non-content content. His only real scum hunt was Unforgiven...another very easy case to make with the language barrier and his confusing posts.
so yea, I'm going with Xatalos
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| | JD: Please, don't destroy 6 o'clock || Tossgirl: Say I'm pretty || JD: Eh...just destroy 6 then |
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 09 2012 09:00. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 11:41 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
To austincc. His post shows a pretty standard townie play, his reasoning defending suki were valid for a
Newbie townie, his actitude and his defense were good enoguh for me, the problem here is
We are dealing whit a bunch of a sheeps who let mafia (read heist- xatalos) lead their way of thought,
They are triying since the begginingg of the game to take town leadership whit lame posts and triying to look helpful, their starting strategy (I'm sure)
Was to be in the spotlight and when the town chooses a innocent just let them go for it whitout commiting too much. Compare day1 and day2 around
Lynch time. See their voting pattern.
Heist is mafia, I'm 75% sure about xatalos
Nova_Terra
05-31-2012
01:30 AM ET (US)
Unforgiven just called for a town leader. if you have the time heist, i would try to take up this role. you shouldnt say that you want to be this leader, but you should make yourself it by making some analysis that looks pretty and by commenting on and criticizing other people. Try to sound nice thoughg, very important especially in a newbie game, as you can get lynched for being mean.
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 09:01. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:Thanks solstice at least a bit of consolation I feel I got really badly set up by Goldens post though. Sooo annoying to be unable to respond to these, guess that's the downside of replacing. and I almost forgot to thank marvellosity for some great coaching! To the more veteran players was there still a chance to convince town on the last day? I felt really frustrated and helpless
Indeed o.Golden_ne wasn't the easiest player to replace... You got a bit unlucky in that regard. You were in a very bad spot in the end, but maybe you could have pulled something off (why would you shoot Unforgiven_ve if you were Mafia? why would you link yourself so strongly with heist if you were both Mafia?). |
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| Toadesstern Germany. June 09 2012 09:03. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:Thanks solstice at least a bit of consolation I feel I got really badly set up by Goldens post though. Sooo annoying to be unable to respond to these, guess that's the downside of replacing. and I almost forgot to thank marvellosity for some great coaching! To the more veteran players was there still a chance to convince town on the last day? I felt really frustrated and helpless
Xatalos did a really good job the last couple of days. The only thing that was lacking in his play was the late bus-timing d1.
If people would have looked back at d1 and how votes ended up being I feel like it could have been possible.
Convincing people to lynch Xatalos based on what he posted seemed pretty hard. Especially the stuff later on because he bussed heist hardcore and people probably ended up having different reads on him based on exactly what they were looking at.
It was 4 people alive, which means 3 people needed to lynch. A NL might have been possible but that would have given Xatalos the possiblity to shoot into someone who is generally more willing to lynch him as well. So in general with only 3 townies alive and 3 votes needed for a lynch I really doubt town stood a chance the last day anyways.Last edit: 2012-06-09 09:04:13 |
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 09:06. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 08:59 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:55 Xatalos wrote:
Haha, I'm surprised the ObsQT didn't figure me out until the very end. It was pretty obvious though after I shot Unforgiven_ve...
I had you figured out sooner than that ;D Here's a PM to Marvel: To: marvellosity [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Newbie Mini XV Date: 6/8/12 09:32 I must confess I as a spectator I haven't been as studious. Austin- I'm fairly certain he is town, based on ange's actions against suki. Plus he could have caused a no-lynch day 3 without much effort or risk, but chose not to. Must be town. Milton- I think he is town as well. I've seen him play scum and this doesn't look like that. He has made a case on Ange that was not without sound reasoning at the time. He pursued Heist when he could have just as easily blended in on another target if he was scum. Unforgiven- I am perplexed. He has reduced himself to insulting people and just giving orders like 'do this, do that.' If he is scum, he bussed both of his teammates (very unlikely). What's more, he was the first guy to attack suki. Despite his confusing play, I think he must be town. That leaves ShiaoPi and Xatalos. The obvious answer is ShiaoPi based on how he refused to vote for heist. Also, he replaced Golden, who weakly tunneled someone who I read as strong town. Making a case on Vivax is easy peasy for scum, because he was playing recklessly/aggressively. That said, he really was trying to hunt scum. He made reads and pursued them, though his conclusions always appeared wrong to me. He has been constant and steadfast in his defense of heist, which would be REALLY odd if they were scum teammates. My conclusion here is that he is a misguided townie. I've also seen his townie play, and this looks pretty similar. I think the last scum is Xatalos. I think he wisely bussed heist, and got some mad townie cred for doing so. With people like Unforgiven being generally confusing and anti-town, and ShiaoPi strongly defending a guy who just flipped scum, he can bus heist and watch while those two get lynched next. He was the last to vote for suki, and was, like heist, pushing Unforgiven to suck votes away from suki on day 1. His direct interactions with heist are also strange. He votes for him on the day vivax is going to be lynched, but votes vivax in the end. He gets town cred for voting heist when he eventually flipped scum, and doesn't get a lot of blame for lynching vivax since he was a driving force for it. This is an excellent bus, he doesn't hurt his teammate too badly and also helps himself a lot. Also, over the course of the game he was posting a lot of non-content content. His only real scum hunt was Unforgiven...another very easy case to make with the language barrier and his confusing posts. so yea, I'm going with Xatalos
It's a good thing I shot you first then, don't you think? |
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 09:07. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 09:00 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 11:41 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
To austincc. His post shows a pretty standard townie play, his reasoning defending suki were valid for a
Newbie townie, his actitude and his defense were good enoguh for me, the problem here is
We are dealing whit a bunch of a sheeps who let mafia (read heist- xatalos) lead their way of thought,
They are triying since the begginingg of the game to take town leadership whit lame posts and triying to look helpful, their starting strategy (I'm sure)
Was to be in the spotlight and when the town chooses a innocent just let them go for it whitout commiting too much. Compare day1 and day2 around
Lynch time. See their voting pattern.
Heist is mafia, I'm 75% sure about xatalos
Show nested quote +Nova_Terra
05-31-2012
01:30 AM ET (US)
Unforgiven just called for a town leader. if you have the time heist, i would try to take up this role. you shouldnt say that you want to be this leader, but you should make yourself it by making some analysis that looks pretty and by commenting on and criticizing other people. Try to sound nice thoughg, very important especially in a newbie game, as you can get lynched for being mean.
Heh... You were pretty much 100% correct all along, but you kept insulting people and throwing random one liners, so nobody listened to you. You need to retain your reading skills and seriously work on how you convey your reads... |
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| Xatalos Finland. June 09 2012 09:08. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 09:03 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:Thanks solstice at least a bit of consolation I feel I got really badly set up by Goldens post though. Sooo annoying to be unable to respond to these, guess that's the downside of replacing. and I almost forgot to thank marvellosity for some great coaching! To the more veteran players was there still a chance to convince town on the last day? I felt really frustrated and helpless
Xatalos did a really good job the last couple of days. The only thing that was lacking in his play was the late bus-timing d1. If people would have looked back at d1 and how votes ended up being I feel like it could have been possible. Convincing people to lynch Xatalos based on what he posted seemed pretty hard. Especially the stuff later on because he bussed heist hardcore and people probably ended up having different reads on him based on exactly what they were looking at. It was 4 people alive, which means 3 people needed to lynch. A NL might have been possible but that would have given Xatalos the possiblity to shoot into someone who is generally more willing to lynch him as well. So in general with only 3 townies alive and 3 votes needed for a lynch I really doubt town stood a chance the last day anyways.
Yeah, I agree. The votes during Day 1 were the key to figuring me out. That was my big mistake, not bussing suki when I needed to Although I had some luck: Vivax behaved pretty much the same way as me, although more suspiciously, even though he was town. |
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| Unforgiven_ve Venezuela. June 09 2012 09:17. Posts 1230 | Profile Blog # |
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2012 09:07 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 09:00 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
On June 05 2012 11:41 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
To austincc. His post shows a pretty standard townie play, his reasoning defending suki were valid for a
Newbie townie, his actitude and his defense were good enoguh for me, the problem here is
We are dealing whit a bunch of a sheeps who let mafia (read heist- xatalos) lead their way of thought,
They are triying since the begginingg of the game to take town leadership whit lame posts and triying to look helpful, their starting strategy (I'm sure)
Was to be in the spotlight and when the town chooses a innocent just let them go for it whitout commiting too much. Compare day1 and day2 around
Lynch time. See their voting pattern.
Heist is mafia, I'm 75% sure about xatalos
Nova_Terra
05-31-2012
01:30 AM ET (US)
Unforgiven just called for a town leader. if you have the time heist, i would try to take up this role. you shouldnt say that you want to be this leader, but you should make yourself it by making some analysis that looks pretty and by commenting on and criticizing other people. Try to sound nice thoughg, very important especially in a newbie game, as you can get lynched for being mean.
Heh... You were pretty much 100% correct all along, but you kept insulting people and throwing random one liners, so nobody listened to you. You need to retain your reading skills and seriously work on how you convey your reads...
Well, i had to login a lot form my phone, and honestly i lost interest at some point, i think it was after VIvax was lynched, you can show the way to someone, but you cant walk it for them. |
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