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| Xatalos Finland. May 27 2012 21:04. Posts 890 | Profile # |
I think I can join this 
I have entrance exams until Wednesday, so I can't be very active until those are over, but it doesn't look like this game is starting much sooner than Wednesday anyway. Also, I'll become almost certainly inactive starting around the 20th of June (I don't think I'll have Internet connection for a while), but I guess this game should be over by then...? What do you think?
In case my situation isn't too complex, sign me up! I have already played in two games, once as a vanilla townie and once as Mafia - maybe I'll be blue this time?  |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 27 2012 21:57. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 21:26 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 21:04 Xatalos wrote:I think I can join this I have entrance exams until Wednesday, so I can't be very active until those are over, but it doesn't look like this game is starting much sooner than Wednesday anyway. Also, I'll become almost certainly inactive starting around the 20th of June (I don't think I'll have Internet connection for a while), but I guess this game should be over by then...? What do you think? In case my situation isn't too complex, sign me up! I have already played in two games, once as a vanilla townie and once as Mafia - maybe I'll be blue this time?
yeah I doubt this game is going to take a month, so 20th of june sounds good to me I don't know how soon this is going to start. Rad told me these games usually take a couple of days to get filled up so I'd say wednesday sounds reasonable
Good to hear! Okay, I'm in. This will be my first game with a majority lynch setting, too, so it's nice to have that experience for once (although I didn't like how it led to several no-lynches in Wheel of Fortune). |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 27 2012 22:03. Posts 890 | Profile # |
| Question about the setup options... I don't understand why the option with no blue roles has a Mafia Roleblocker, while the options with a Medic or a Detective have no Roleblockers? First of all, the Roleblocker has no use at all without blue roles, but it also makes little sense to have a more "powerful" Mafia team with less blue roles, and a "weaker" Mafia team with more blue roles around...? |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 27 2012 22:05. Posts 890 | Profile # |
| Although maybe that is just for meta reasons (to keep Mafia in the dark about if there are any blue roles or not). |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 27 2012 22:34. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 22:05 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 22:03 Xatalos wrote:
Question about the setup options... I don't understand why the option with no blue roles has a Mafia Roleblocker, while the options with a Medic or a Detective have no Roleblockers? First of all, the Roleblocker has no use at all without blue roles, but it also makes little sense to have a more "powerful" Mafia team with less blue roles, and a "weaker" Mafia team with more blue roles around...?
The roleblocker with no blues setup is so that mafia doesnt automatically know wether there are actually any blues for town. Without it, if mafia gets a roleblocker they will know that there is a doctor and a cop, and this prevents them from knowing this information. Roleblocker without any town roles is also basically a all vanilla setup, and its probably harder for town compared to the other 3.
Yeah, I see. Just thought about that meta reason a moment after I posted my question And I agree that especially a Detective is VERY useful in this setup, since his checks are 100% correct (no framers, millers or insane Detectives). |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 28 2012 01:20. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 27 2012 22:52 zelblade wrote:
I personally think millers are a bad role. One unlucky check can screw you over sooooooooo hard. Only problem with something like this, as said, is that there is 0 doubt in a DT check. Sainty probably isnt a good idea for a newbie game though :D
Yeah, I dislike Millers too... And insanity. Uncertainty = good, randomness = bad. That's why I like Framers (they produce uncertainty to the game without being random). I'm on the fence about Godfathers (I think it's a better role than
a Miller or an insane Detective, but not as good as a Framer).
Unfortunate that you can't play in a newbie game anymore, marvellosity  I'll look forward to reading your analysis on the ObsQT though, haha! Maybe I'll ask for some advice, too, especially if I'm town. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 28 2012 23:07. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 22:29 Cattivik wrote:
Is it allowed to meet players of the same alignment in webchats?
Mafia has their own separate chat forum where they can talk, but townies can't communicate with each other outside of this thread. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 29 2012 17:33. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 10:55 O.Golden_ne wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:40 marvellosity wrote:
Time to be a bit more assertive, golden? ^^
first game i ever played i spent so much time writing HUGE posts and people ignored me for 'fluff' second game i play i get lynched for not posting enough.
There is a golden middle road, you know? In any case, it's better to post too much than too little. Just try to make your every post useful in some way.
On May 29 2012 11:09 Sinensis wrote:
Am I allowed to /in this game?
I play a lot but I'm still pretty noob.
Sorry, I think it's 3 games maximum without exceptions... |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 29 2012 23:44. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 17:33 Xatalos wrote:There is a golden middle road, you know? In any case, it's better to post too much than too little. Just try to make your every post useful in some way.
I loled ^_^
Haha! I'll try not to post as much this time around, to make your lives a bit easier |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 30 2012 15:59. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 14:49 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 17:33 Xatalos wrote:There is a golden middle road, you know? In any case, it's better to post too much than too little. Just try to make your every post useful in some way.
We found scum before the PM roles are even sent out.
LOL |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 30 2012 17:30. Posts 890 | Profile # |
| My final exam is starting in a couple of hours, so after that, I'm fully ready to play Is the game starting today or at the deadline time? |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 30 2012 23:52. Posts 890 | Profile # |
| Exams finally over, so now I can "relax" with this game as much as I want Bring it on! Although unfortunately I'm probably sleeping as the game starts... |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 04:53. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 04:29 Superouman wrote:
Let's go for my first game :3
Oh, your named looked familiar! Weird to think that I'm playing Mafia with the maker of Cloud Kingdom... Almost like playing Mafia with White-Ra or something, haha!
Good to have you on board, anyhow. I'll have to go sleep soon, but on the other hand, I can read the players better when I'm not involved in the first hours, I guess. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 11:26. Posts 890 | Profile # |
Now I've read through the thread, and I must say... I'm pleasantly surprised. There's a lot of information to work with already at this point.
The post I had the hardest time figuring out was the very first post in the thread by sciberbia:
On May 31 2012 07:20 sciberbia wrote:Good morning all! I'm really looking forward to this game. I've been thinking about what to put in my first post, and I decided on the following sections. I wrote up this post in the hour since my role PM, if you're wondering how I typed so fast. Please excuse the length: this is my first post and I just wanted to get some info in my filter as well as introduce myself to everyone and start some discussion. about me + Show Spoiler +
I absolutely love playing mafia irl, and I recently played my first forum game: Newbie Mini XIV. I enjoyed the game, and I'm looking forward to playing again with Golden, s0sltice, and Miltonkram. I encourage you all to skim our filters from that game so you have a basis for comparison. Only Miltonkram was mafia.
what you can expect from me + Show Spoiler +
Mainly because I love playing so much, I will consistently be checking and reading the thread and I'll probably be one of the more active posters. I'll maintain my own list of scumreads and make public cases against my top targets. I'll also help in any way I can to organize lynches when deadlines roll around.
what i ask of you guys + Show Spoiler +
1) make reading the thread a priority
2) periodically post your opinions and contribute to the discussion
3) try really hard to be online in the hours before a deadline. We need to organize majority lynches and it's not easy if a lot of people are offline.
to lynch or not to lynch? + Show Spoiler +
Setup A: 1 roleblocker, 2 goons, 1 cop, 1 medic, 7 VT's
Setup B: 1 roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 VT's
Setup C: 3 goons, 1 medic, 8 VT's
Setup D: 3 goons, 1 cop, 8 VT's
I think that there is actually a strong case for not lynching on day 1 in this game. In the setups without a medic, namely B and D, I am pretty sure that not lynching on day 1 is strictly optimal. I think that lynch vs NL is a wash for setup C, and I'm undecided about setup A - that one's pretty complicated.
If anybody would like to hear more of my reasoning, just ask and I'll be happy to provide.
Fun fact: Depending on how wisely we spend our NL, we have between 13% and 17% chance of winning setup B assuming random lynches. So we need some really solid scumreads regardless of how strategically we play.
what I think we should focus on right now + Show Spoiler +
The most important thing for us to do is find scum. However, it seems foolish to scumhunt before the majority of players have even looked at the thread. So I think our biggest goal for the first 12 hours or so is to generate discussion. Then, we turn our attention to scumhunting. Here are two things that everyone can comment on:
1) Lynch or NL?
2) Should we lynch inactive players or let them get replaced?
Will all inactive players be replaced or is there a possibility that they just die? If a blue inactive player is modkilled, will their role be transferred to someone else? What if they are mafia?
At first glance, I thought sciberbia was an overeager townie trying to direct the game to his liking. It seemed unlikely for a Mafia (especially a beginner Mafia) to put himself into the spotlight right away. However, when I looked closer at the content of this post, I wasn't so sure anymore. Basically the "meat" of this post was speculation about the setup and suggesting a no-lynch. A no-lynch would just give Mafia more breathing room and a free pass to do whatever they want for today. What's more, Mafia would then shoot the most dangerous player in their eyes, and the lurkers / distractive players would of course live on. This would be an ideal situation for Mafia to start day 2 with: a good town player dead, but every suspicious/lurking player still alive. The pool of lynch candidates would be bigger in comparison, and Mafia could hide much easier.
So, was sciberbia pushing Mafia agenda all along? For a moment I thought so, but looking also at his later posts, I don't think a beginner Mafia could fake such complicated theories and thought processes. Maybe if he was a veteran, but even then, why would he risk himself in the first place? Either he's a great actor or genuinely wanting to help town. Right now I'm leaning on town, especially since this is a newbie game. Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
Another player I noticed was Cattivik. So far he has been analyzing the game, posting reads, calling out lurkers - all in all, playing for town's win condition. I didn't like him giving sciberbia a free pass just because he was the "first to post", but disregarding that, his filter looks good.
Miltonkram, why did you vote for sciberbia so fast? Do you really want to lynch him or is it just a throwaway vote? I'm not comfortable with lynching him at all, especially since most people haven't even posted anything.
s0Lstice, you have been wishy-washy and cautious so far. Take a hard stance on something or you'll end up as a lynch candidate sooner or later.
Suki, unforgiven_ve, Superouman, Eishi_Ki: start posting as soon as possible. Every moment spent lurking is a victory for Mafia.
I'm going to be offline for a while; start posting about your Mafia reads, especially s0Lstice and those who have yet to post. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 17:31. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 13:46 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Show nested quote +Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation.
Sorry, i missed this, im REALLY against bandwagons, specially at the last hours of the day, i think on day 1 we dont have much information to work on, but we need to have our eyes open for a mafia slip, yes, lets pressure people, if they evade/lurk/start attacking other people whitout a real reason, then thats our day 1 candidate. Also, i like to save my vote to the last hours of the day, mafia is always much more active at day last hours just to see if they can change the decision or who is going to die. If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest.
Something feels off about Unforgiven_ve. His contributions so far are "safe" generalities to say about the game. In addition, he wants to move the spotlight away from himself by asking for a town leader to easily sheep, and then he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia).
As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 17:42. Posts 890 | Profile # |
I also want to hear from s0lstice and Superouman. Superouman hasn't yet posted anything, and s0lstice's filter is pretty much worthless so far.
On May 31 2012 16:47 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 16:33 heist wrote:
On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work....
Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway.
However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise.
Needz moar infos
I agree with needing more information. And by no means should you blindly follow any accusations. I take it you agree with me on Cattivik but can you clarify your first point about the overuse of the "collective". How exactly is this a scumtell? I'd like some further responses, especially, especially from you, Cattivik. Overall, it's looking as if we aren't going to be plagued by inactivity and lurking although I would prod Superouman and Ange77 to post more and be active. @ Sciberbia thanks for the discussion generator, but I'm sure it's apparent that the town majority heavily favors a Day 1 lynch and we should proceed to do so. So enough about policy, I'm curious as to your your thoughts on the other players and suspicions.
Just the use of 'we' and 'us' to refer to the townsfolk. Similar to Hollywood'ing in poker, just trying to sell it a bit too much. It caught my eye is all.
It's not good to get stuck on details and semantics. Look for the Mafia motivations behind someone's posting, Eishi_Ki. Mafia rarely make stupid mistakes such as this, since they have to be careful about their every post. So far I feel pretty good about Cattivik being town, given his general attitude and style. Again, occam's razor: if someone plays like town should, they are more likely town. Regardless of some details like what specific words they use. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 17:59. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 17:47 Superouman wrote:Hi hi, i just woke up, i'm so sad to see our mayor and his assistant die so quickly. This news is a lot worse than all on the tv And i don't like people who talk too much and even more the ones who want to avoid lynching
Your first post is very bland and even outright weird. You begin with some fluff, and then you want to lynch active posters. What?? And what do you mean with "people who want to avoid being lynched"? Who doesn't want to avoid being lynched? I expect to see some improvement soon, although I can't yet say if this is beginner Mafia or beginner town play. It's always hard to tell with posting like this. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 21:32. Posts 890 | Profile # |
s0Lstice, I'm impressed with your recent posts (especially compared to your earlier posts). Keep up the good work.
Unforgiven_ve, I'm still waiting for you to post something useful. Same with Superouman.
Ange777, Suki, you two need to step up and do something. Your filters are pretty much empty.
Cattivik, Eishi_Ki, could you two look outside of each other and tell some other Mafia reads? It's distractive to get succumbed into a duel, especially this early. One of you might be Mafia (probably not both), but even so, it's more useful to not just tunnel one player.
sciberbia, Heist, O.Golden_ne, I also want to hear some more from you. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 23:25. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 22:37 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Finally, Xatalos. You have been judging many people's posts so far and accusing them of not being committed enough, threatening them if they don't improve their posts or praising them for doing a good job, all the while not actually contributing very much yourself. Any reason ser? What are your thoughts on people outside of the quality of their posts?
It's better to force the lurking and wishy-washy players to take some stances before starting a major lynch effort. My biggest mistake in the previous game was to start pushing a lynch right at the start, while the actual Mafia just coasted by and lurked in peace. An active and transparent player like sciberbia is less likely to be Mafia than someone who doesn't post any content.
On May 31 2012 22:40 O.Golden_ne wrote:
@Eishi_ki: Consider if Xatalos is scum. This is opinion on Cattivik, who i think is scum.
"Another player I noticed was Cattivik. So far he has been analyzing the game, posting reads, calling out lurkers - all in all, playing for town's win condition. I didn't like him giving sciberbia a free pass just because he was the "first to post", but disregarding that, his filter looks good."
Food for thought.
Be careful of connection play. It can lead to many bad judgement calls and trap you in a bad line of thought. The right time to make connections is after someone flips Mafia, not after you think someone might flip Mafia.
If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for Unforgiven_ve. He seems like the one most likely to flip Mafia (as I already detailed). It's hard to make sense of what Superouman is posting, but unless he starts doing something townie at last, he's also pretty high up there. Ange777 hasn't done anything for the discussion either.
My initial impression of Cattivik was town, and it hasn't still changed. The bandwagon against him feels out of place, considering there are several undoubtedly more suspicious players than him out there. Look at the filters of Unforgiven_ve, Superouman, Ange777 and Cattivik and tell me why Cattivik should be our lynch for today. I'm pretty sure at least one of the other three are Mafia, and that there is at least one Mafia among the Cattivik bandwagon. |
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| Xatalos Finland. May 31 2012 23:43. Posts 890 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 23:17 Unforgiven_ve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On May 31 2012 17:31 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:46 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation.
Sorry, i missed this, im REALLY against bandwagons, specially at the last hours of the day, i think on day 1 we dont have much information to work on, but we need to have our eyes open for a mafia slip, yes, lets pressure people, if they evade/lurk/start attacking other people whitout a real reason, then thats our day 1 candidate. Also, i like to save my vote to the last hours of the day, mafia is always much more active at day last hours just to see if they can change the decision or who is going to die. If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest.
Something feels off about Unforgiven_ve. His contributions so far are "safe" generalities to say about the game. In addition, he wants to move the spotlight away from himself by asking for a town leader to easily sheep, and then he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia). As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already.
Sorry, i wont play to "impress" you or anyone, i play for town benefit. 1) What "contributions"? what filter are you talking about? I just posted one time after the day started, of course is "safe", its one post about generalitys and how i think the game shoud be played. 2) Town should discuss everything, i agree on that, but in a newbie game we need to have some kind of structure (same as normal games i think)...im not saying we should vote or choose a leader, i ment, if someone wants to take that spot, take in account all i said in that post
Show nested quote +If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest
3) If you really read and interpret my post, you'd find this
Show nested quote +especially those lurkers who goes super active the last hours of the day, we have to keep an eye on them
he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia)
At day 1 (at least for me) we have to use timing and votting patterns to our gaing, when you just throw a bunch of FoS and Votes in every post you do you are actually helping the mafia, just making townies reasoning harder whit every post you do. I agree we have to pressure people and make them talk, but we have to do this whitout being PARANOICS, again, this just helps mafia. Raise your case, make a couple post pointing out what you belive about someones filter, keep your FoS to yourself AT LEAST FOR THE BEGGINING OF THE DAY. (i see it coming) Dont interpret this as some kind of "HEY GUYZ HE'S JUST TRIYING TO MAKE US PASSIVE AND DONT DISCUSSS LETS LYNCH HIM LOLZ I LOVE LOLCATZ"...im saying Play it smart, lets take safe steps every vote counts, every FoS counts, every post someone makes about finding something suspicious SHOULD count.
Finally you posted something, but it's not what I was hoping for from a town Unforgiven_ve. More like what I expected from a Mafia Unforgiven_ve.
Your post reeks of anger and fear, not something town should be feeling in your situation. You even admit you're looking really bad right now: "(i see it coming)". Why not do something to change your situation then? Why continue being useless, angry and antagonizing?
This response convinced me. It's time to get the ball rolling.
##Vote Unforgiven_ve |
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