Hi, is there any TL user around here that used one of those CPU to play SC2? if so, is there a possible way that you could record a video showing your FPS, i just want to know how much its the difference in those CPU vs the Intel 2500k.
what i could like you to do? if you can of course choose the one that its easier for you to accomplish
1- A picture showing your FPS at least in a big battle. 2- record a video showing FPS and CPU usage. 3- just tell me your minimum/average FPS.
for example this is a video vs FX4100 vs 2500k its unfair since the FX4100 doesn't compete with the 2500k
I do not have an FX processor personally, but I would like to say the 8150 only competes if you leave the 2500k at stock clocks. My 4.8-5.22ghz OC (depending on the ambient temp I change around the OC) can blow away any 8150 that isn't cooled by liquid helium.
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JingleHell United States. May 27 2012 12:37. Posts 11262
What do you want, the slower clock for clock CPU to do better in a task that isn't threaded well? Doesn't tend to work that way. SC2 isn't optimized for more than 2 threads, so the faster CPU will do better. And that's just plain Intel in recent years.
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Logan-nagoL New Zealand. May 27 2012 12:39. Posts 16
On May 27 2012 12:39 Logan-nagoL wrote: Man :/ Piledriver better deliver or else Ima need to get a new MB
Is it a bad time to point out that it's moderately insane to expect them to shatter half a decade's worth of precedents after stubbornly insisting on mostly stagnating with their sockets for so long, and producing an "eight core" that gets wrecked by the generation prior's hex core?
I'd just save time and get the new motherboard now.
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When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
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RebirthOfLeGenD USA. May 27 2012 12:53. Posts 5342
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
The benefit of those types of processors currently are when you are doing other demanding tasks along with your game such as streaming, or tons of other little shit I suppose.
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JingleHell United States. May 27 2012 12:57. Posts 11262
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
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EdenPLusDucky Singapore. May 27 2012 12:57. Posts 566
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
Hexacores aren't the future of gaming. You don't need to waste money buying a processor used for demanding tasks like video editing or running VMs when a quadcore can already run all games really well.
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Boblhead United States. May 27 2012 13:08. Posts 2556
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
the 8120 is $40-60 cheaper than a 2500k depending on where you buy it, the 8150 is evenly priced.
JingleHell United States. May 27 2012 13:10. Posts 11262
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
the 8120 is $40-60 cheaper than a 2500k depending on where you buy it, the 8150 is evenly priced.
Well, money wasn't really mentioned as a factor. Also, unless it's changed recently, the motherboards close the gap a healthy bit. If you want to OC, they close it a healthy bit more, if you don't want to OC, you should be comparing to a 2300 or 2400, which evens the price gap as well.
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you want to go with the i5-2500k, there are so few applications out there that would use all 8 cores and thats the only strength of the fx line, core to core, intel is way ahead of amd, i have the 2550k(it doesnt have integrated graphics) and a 560ti, and basic components for the rest of my build and i run sc2 about 90 fps on high settings, and it handles any other game that has been released, and this is all at stock settings. go with intel, just look on newegg at the reviews for the i5 series, theres thousands of them. and edenplusducky couldnt of said it better, most games only use 1 or 2 cores, 8 cores is pretty much useless right now
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RebirthOfLeGenD USA. May 27 2012 13:13. Posts 5342
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
the 8120 is $40-60 cheaper than a 2500k depending on where you buy it, the 8150 is evenly priced.
I was trying to justify upgrading to bulldozer recently. I currently have an AM3+ board with a Phenom II 970 in it OC'd to 4ghz. I googled my heart out looking for a justification but no matter where you go it gets shit on by an i5 in almost every respect. The only way I would consider it is if you for somehow already have an AM3+ board and a really shitty chip on it anyway. If you are anywhere in the Phenom X4+ series don't even bother. It isn't worth the 100$
To expand on that, I wanted to upgrade to an 6/8 core processor because I was going to start streaming, but apparently the 8120/50 still gets beat even with more tasks that should technically benefit from the increased number of cores. At the end of the day, the i5 is going to run games better due to clock speed and STILL handles streaming better than bulldozer. I can't really see any way to justify it.
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On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
i thinks is game engine fault rather than CPU fault, FX CPU are good enough for what you pay for them, FX8120 for 160 its good enough, most today games aren't optimized for even quadcores CPUs, the only game i see taking advantage or more CPU its BF3, if you have a friend with a AM3+ mobo with a X2 or X3 CPU, and doesnt have money for intel, will you give him the rest he needs to switch to intel? i guess no, so everyone buys what covers their needs. for example i already have a AM3+ mobo + X3 455 CPU, i would like to buy a FX8120, thats why i opened the thread. i dont want to switch since i will spend more money down the road if i go for intel
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JingleHell United States. May 27 2012 13:17. Posts 11262
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
i thinks is game engine fault rather than CPU fault, FX CPU are good enough for what you pay for them, FX8120 for 160 its good enough, most today games aren't optimized for even quadcores CPUs, the only game i see taking advantage or more CPU its BF3, if you have a friend with a AM3+ mobo with a X2 or X3 CPU, and doesnt have money for intel, will you give him the rest he needs to switch to intel? i guess no, so everyone buys what cover your needs.
Yes, it's the engine for SC2, I was just running off on a tangent about why it wouldn't matter, because it's STILL a shitty CPU.
If you have an AM3+ mobo and need an upgrade to more cores, I tell you to upgrade to a Ph2 x4 or x6, which are MUCH better per dollar than Bulldozer. That's only if you can't afford to switch to something good.
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On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
i thinks is game engine fault rather than CPU fault, FX CPU are good enough for what you pay for them, FX8120 for 160 its good enough, most today games aren't optimized for even quadcores CPUs, the only game i see taking advantage or more CPU its BF3, if you have a friend with a AM3+ mobo with a X2 or X3 CPU, and doesnt have money for intel, will you give him the rest he needs to switch to intel? i guess no, so everyone buys what cover your needs.
Yes, it's the engine for SC2, I was just running off on a tangent about why it wouldn't matter, because it's STILL a shitty CPU.
If you have an AM3+ mobo and need an upgrade to more cores, I tell you to upgrade to a Ph2 x4 or x6, which are MUCH better per dollar than Bulldozer. That's only if you can't afford to switch to something good.
those are old CPU that no one will buy once i decide to sell them
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JingleHell United States. May 27 2012 13:27. Posts 11262
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
i thinks is game engine fault rather than CPU fault, FX CPU are good enough for what you pay for them, FX8120 for 160 its good enough, most today games aren't optimized for even quadcores CPUs, the only game i see taking advantage or more CPU its BF3, if you have a friend with a AM3+ mobo with a X2 or X3 CPU, and doesnt have money for intel, will you give him the rest he needs to switch to intel? i guess no, so everyone buys what cover your needs.
Yes, it's the engine for SC2, I was just running off on a tangent about why it wouldn't matter, because it's STILL a shitty CPU.
If you have an AM3+ mobo and need an upgrade to more cores, I tell you to upgrade to a Ph2 x4 or x6, which are MUCH better per dollar than Bulldozer. That's only if you can't afford to switch to something good.
those are old CPU that no one will buy once i decide to sell them
If they actually give a shit about performance, and look at benchmarks, they'll realize that paying more for Bulldozer is moronic in most cases.
Ph2 makes little to no sense vs Intel, and BD sucks vs Ph2.
Look, you can do whatever the hell you want with your money, but don't come here hoping for us to justify it when it doesn't make sense outside niche situations.
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i3-2100 or Ph x4 would both be better than the FX procs for SC2 at the price point of the FX-4100 ( it's not heavily optimized for multi-threading anyways ) they are only as much as the programmers wanted it to be... even if you do have a machine that can do it, the applications might not be that way...
Even if the FX series were equal in price and had equal performance of the other products, they still have more power draw in the long run ( means costs alot more over time ), sometimes even twice as much if you compare the i5-2500k vs the FX-8150... some pictures showed like ~120ish watts for the i5-2500k vs 250ish watts for the FX-8150
it could be the difference of 400 dollars over a few years of 24/7 usage on both ( depends on where you live or the kw/dollar )
in most games that are not heavily multi-threaded, intel wins automatically
the watts usage goes to something around 400-450+ watts if you take the FX-8150 to 4.8ghz... while a similar i5-2500k would take around 200-220ish... even more power/money being used to run it over a long period of time
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On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
i thinks is game engine fault rather than CPU fault, FX CPU are good enough for what you pay for them, FX8120 for 160 its good enough, most today games aren't optimized for even quadcores CPUs, the only game i see taking advantage or more CPU its BF3, if you have a friend with a AM3+ mobo with a X2 or X3 CPU, and doesnt have money for intel, will you give him the rest he needs to switch to intel? i guess no, so everyone buys what cover your needs.
Yes, it's the engine for SC2, I was just running off on a tangent about why it wouldn't matter, because it's STILL a shitty CPU.
If you have an AM3+ mobo and need an upgrade to more cores, I tell you to upgrade to a Ph2 x4 or x6, which are MUCH better per dollar than Bulldozer. That's only if you can't afford to switch to something good.
those are old CPU that no one will buy once i decide to sell them
If they actually give a shit about performance, and look at benchmarks, they'll realize that paying more for Bulldozer is moronic in most cases.
Ph2 makes little to no sense vs Intel, and BD sucks vs Ph2.
Look, you can do whatever the hell you want with your money, but don't come here hoping for us to justify it when it doesn't make sense outside niche situations.
i just come here to see if there are FX8120/FX8150 users in TL, if u dont have one why are u posting here? can u read my first post?
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JingleHell United States. May 27 2012 13:41. Posts 11262
On May 27 2012 12:50 LatsyrC wrote: When Heart of the Swarm is released (or possibly Legacy of the Void), will Starcraft 2 optimially make usage of QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores processors?
QuadCores and 6sixCores and 8Cores is the future of gaming and Heart of the Swarm is a game in the future!
its a shame that ppl have those type of CPU and Sc2 doesnt take advantage of that.
My crystal ball says no, it won't, or if it does, it won't be significant.
Also, to my understanding, Bulldozer 6 and 8 core CPUs are closer to 3 and 4 core CPUs with a (bad) HT knockoff, rather than true hex and octocores. Or at least, that was one of the things AMD fanboys were using to defend the subpar performance judged by the advertised number of cores.
But when you consider that it loses to a 2500k clock for clock, even in threaded benches, why would you buy it? Do you just not have room under your desk for a PC and a space heater?
i thinks is game engine fault rather than CPU fault, FX CPU are good enough for what you pay for them, FX8120 for 160 its good enough, most today games aren't optimized for even quadcores CPUs, the only game i see taking advantage or more CPU its BF3, if you have a friend with a AM3+ mobo with a X2 or X3 CPU, and doesnt have money for intel, will you give him the rest he needs to switch to intel? i guess no, so everyone buys what cover your needs.
Yes, it's the engine for SC2, I was just running off on a tangent about why it wouldn't matter, because it's STILL a shitty CPU.
If you have an AM3+ mobo and need an upgrade to more cores, I tell you to upgrade to a Ph2 x4 or x6, which are MUCH better per dollar than Bulldozer. That's only if you can't afford to switch to something good.
those are old CPU that no one will buy once i decide to sell them
If they actually give a shit about performance, and look at benchmarks, they'll realize that paying more for Bulldozer is moronic in most cases.
Ph2 makes little to no sense vs Intel, and BD sucks vs Ph2.
Look, you can do whatever the hell you want with your money, but don't come here hoping for us to justify it when it doesn't make sense outside niche situations.
i just come here to see if there are FX8120/FX8150 users in TL, if u dont have one why are u posting here? can u read my first post?
I sure can, that's why I answered it. In fact, that bench set I linked, if you go to the gaming section (you know how to operate a dropdown menu, right?) includes SC2. I don't need to OWN a bad CPU to find comparative benchmarks and see how shitty it is.
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