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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. June 13 2012 03:27. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't want to have anyone shoot until RoL comes in and proves he's not lying. He can shoot Gonzaw if he likes. Also, Gonzaw, shoot again with the right formatting. |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. June 13 2012 03:28. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
@rastaban:
On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.
If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow.
I support this!
On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote:
The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners.
risk.nuke
Kenpachi
payl
gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot.
ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him.
Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on?
On June 13 2012 02:06 rastaban wrote:
I say we have Gonzaw shoot payl. We find out if Gonzow has a gun and if he does, we off the single post Smurf. I have a feeling at least one if not more of the mafia are in the lurking crowd intentionally or not and it is causing confusion in the Mafia ranks.
If gonzaw won't fire lets let chaoser kill him.
What is exactly your stance on me?
First you want me to shoot or have wbg shoot me.
However then you say I'm most likely town.
Yet now all of a sudden you want chaoser to shoot me?
Wtf man? |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. June 13 2012 03:28. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 03:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't want to have anyone shoot until RoL comes in and proves he's not lying. He can shoot Gonzaw if he likes. Also, Gonzaw, shoot again with the right formatting.
I already did read the thread |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. June 13 2012 03:31. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
Rastaban would be a good choice to shoot me as well.
He flip-flops on his read on me, or just head-on contradicts himself by saying I'm town but he wants someone else to shoot me.
Oh yeah, he wants someone else to shoot me (first wbg, then chaoser). He never volunteers himself to shoot.
Anyways, if all of you guys think claiming is better then I will, but I want to avoid VE-like scenarios this game. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. June 13 2012 03:34. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
| To make sure this isn't all pointless, a VT can theoretically shoot themselves, right? |
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| deconduo Ireland. June 13 2012 03:36. Posts 3589 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 03:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
To make sure this isn't all pointless, a VT can theoretically shoot themselves, right?
I can't find any rule to suggest otherwise, so unless Ace comes along later and changes it I see no reason not to allow it. |
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| rastaban United States. June 13 2012 03:37. Posts 2223 | Profile Blog # |
| Well he also messed up the formatting as well, but does it matter, refusing to shoot and not shooting are the same thing correct? I mean I think we all believe he can't shoot or he would have, that is nothing to hide. The real questions is, is he Scum or is he Blue? |
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| rastaban United States. June 13 2012 03:38. Posts 2223 | Profile Blog # |
@gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town. |
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| gonzaw Uruguay. June 13 2012 03:45. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 03:38 rastaban wrote:
@gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town.
I don't want my role to create more chaos.
If I'm being shot (someone puts ##Kill: gonzaw in the thread), then I'll claim my role.
But until then it will only serve to distract people (they'll start thinking "Oh what if his claim is real? Oh what if we let him live and bla bla bla?").
In the off-chance I survive this (not likely), then scum won't know my role either.
rastaban, if it came down to it, would you shoot me?
You say "so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you...."
So, it is time to kill me because I have accusations against me...but not because you think I'm scum?
Also, me having a gun or not had nothing to do with your "town" read on me. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. June 13 2012 03:51. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 03:37 rastaban wrote:
Well he also messed up the formatting as well, but does it matter, refusing to shoot and not shooting are the same thing correct? I mean I think we all believe he can't shoot or he would have, that is nothing to hide. The real questions is, is he Scum or is he Blue?
He claimed Miller on Night 1. Then in the morning he claimed he had his gun taken away. He needs to shoot. If he does, and nothing happens, then it means he either had his gun taken away, or he was lying about being a miller, same thing as what we were at. If he can shoot, then he lied about having his gun taken away, and I'd say he's scum then. The whole point of people claiming miller was to get them to shoot as soon as possible to confirm themselves. Then he claims he can't shoot anymore, and introduces the worry of there being a role that can take away our guns. There's no reason to make that lie as town. This is to make sure he's at least not lying about not having a gun. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. June 13 2012 03:59. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| gonzaw why did you act as if you had a gun N0 when chaoser first introduced the notion that you should shoot today? I know you never explicitly said one way or the other, but you never even opposed the idea of you shooting. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 13 2012 04:00. Posts 11334 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 03:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:37 rastaban wrote:
Well he also messed up the formatting as well, but does it matter, refusing to shoot and not shooting are the same thing correct? I mean I think we all believe he can't shoot or he would have, that is nothing to hide. The real questions is, is he Scum or is he Blue?
He claimed Miller on Night 1. Then in the morning he claimed he had his gun taken away. He needs to shoot. If he does, and nothing happens, then it means he either had his gun taken away, or he was lying about being a miller, same thing as what we were at. If he can shoot, then he lied about having his gun taken away, and I'd say he's scum then. The whole point of people claiming miller was to get them to shoot as soon as possible to confirm themselves. Then he claims he can't shoot anymore, and introduces the worry of there being a role that can take away our guns. There's no reason to make that lie as town. This is to make sure he's at least not lying about not having a gun.
huh, this makes a lot of sense.
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| gonzaw Uruguay. June 13 2012 04:02. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw why did you act as if you had a gun N0 when chaoser first introduced the notion that you should shoot today? I know you never explicitly said one way or the other, but you never even opposed the idea of you shooting.
On June 13 2012 03:15 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 01:07 chaoser wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
But how can you distinguish between him being a blue who can't shoot and a regular goon? You cannot. The only way you can tell is by analysing him in the first place, and by doing that we come to the decision he's scum.
So just shoot him. See what I'm saying?
Given his posting, he's definitely not a blue since he keeps saying "I'll shoot if everyone wants me to, etc. etc.". He's basically pushing the issue off while trying to get town to focus on the SK (by talking about if RoL is it or WBG is it). If town bites on the SK bit and shoots one of them then day ends and he gets to leave another day, hopefully to disappear from the forefronts of our thoughts.
I didn't want to out myself as blue so soon just because 1 guy (you) was buggering me about shooting.
What do you guys think of rastaban?
@Wiggles: I think rastaban was talking about me and not RoL, but I'm not really sure |
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| rastaban United States. June 13 2012 04:03. Posts 2223 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 03:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:37 rastaban wrote:
Well he also messed up the formatting as well, but does it matter, refusing to shoot and not shooting are the same thing correct? I mean I think we all believe he can't shoot or he would have, that is nothing to hide. The real questions is, is he Scum or is he Blue?
He claimed Miller on Night 1. Then in the morning he claimed he had his gun taken away. He needs to shoot. If he does, and nothing happens, then it means he either had his gun taken away, or he was lying about being a miller, same thing as what we were at. If he can shoot, then he lied about having his gun taken away, and I'd say he's scum then. The whole point of people claiming miller was to get them to shoot as soon as possible to confirm themselves. Then he claims he can't shoot anymore, and introduces the worry of there being a role that can take away our guns. There's no reason to make that lie as town. This is to make sure he's at least not lying about not having a gun.
Wait I was referring to Gonzaw shooting himself, ROL is the one who claimed Miller... I think that is a great idea too as if he was GF claiming Miller he would still have his gun. If this is what you were referring to earlier I misunderstood and it is a great idea!
On June 13 2012 03:45 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:38 rastaban wrote:
@gonzaw But the whole point is that you can't shoot. I thought you could shoot, so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you. Claim your role if you are town.
I don't want my role to create more chaos. If I'm being shot (someone puts ##Kill: gonzaw in the thread), then I'll claim my role. But until then it will only serve to distract people (they'll start thinking "Oh what if his claim is real? Oh what if we let him live and bla bla bla?"). In the off-chance I survive this (not likely), then scum won't know my role either. rastaban, if it came down to it, would you shoot me? You say "so now that you can't and you have this many accusations on you it is time to kill you...."So, it is time to kill me because I have accusations against me...but not because you think I'm scum? Also, me having a gun or not had nothing to do with your "town" read on me.
Sorry gonzaw I won't tell you if I have a gun or not, Scum is already trying to snipe our VEs as it is, you will just have to wait and see.
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 13 2012 04:05. Posts 11334 | Profile # |
| RoL will (attempt to) shoot gonzaw and that's that. Great plan by Wiggles. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. June 13 2012 04:05. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 04:02 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw why did you act as if you had a gun N0 when chaoser first introduced the notion that you should shoot today? I know you never explicitly said one way or the other, but you never even opposed the idea of you shooting.
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:15 gonzaw wrote:
On June 13 2012 01:07 chaoser wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
But how can you distinguish between him being a blue who can't shoot and a regular goon? You cannot. The only way you can tell is by analysing him in the first place, and by doing that we come to the decision he's scum.
So just shoot him. See what I'm saying?
Given his posting, he's definitely not a blue since he keeps saying "I'll shoot if everyone wants me to, etc. etc.". He's basically pushing the issue off while trying to get town to focus on the SK (by talking about if RoL is it or WBG is it). If town bites on the SK bit and shoots one of them then day ends and he gets to leave another day, hopefully to disappear from the forefronts of our thoughts.
I didn't want to out myself as blue so soon just because 1 guy (you) was buggering me about shooting.
What do you guys think of rastaban? @Wiggles: I think rastaban was talking about me and not RoL, but I'm not really sure
But you're the guy who was pushing the idea of all guns outting N0, thereby outting all blues. You were the one saying this should be an analysis game. This is a blatant contradiction in your philosophies. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. June 13 2012 04:06. Posts 4149 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 03:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't want to have anyone shoot until RoL comes in and proves he's not lying. He can shoot Gonzaw if he likes. Also, Gonzaw, shoot again with the right formatting.
RoL already proved he doesn't have a gun iirc.
Chaoser that was beautiful. I'm more than ready to kill gonzaw. I also agree with having suspicious people kill him. Some names to consider of lurkers we could get a nice read on by having them shoot:
risk.nuke
kenpachi
payl
Zentor
Maybe supersoft?
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| gonzaw Uruguay. June 13 2012 04:08. Posts 3087 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 04:02 gonzaw wrote:
On June 13 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw why did you act as if you had a gun N0 when chaoser first introduced the notion that you should shoot today? I know you never explicitly said one way or the other, but you never even opposed the idea of you shooting.
On June 13 2012 03:15 gonzaw wrote:
On June 13 2012 01:07 chaoser wrote:
On June 13 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
But how can you distinguish between him being a blue who can't shoot and a regular goon? You cannot. The only way you can tell is by analysing him in the first place, and by doing that we come to the decision he's scum.
So just shoot him. See what I'm saying?
Given his posting, he's definitely not a blue since he keeps saying "I'll shoot if everyone wants me to, etc. etc.". He's basically pushing the issue off while trying to get town to focus on the SK (by talking about if RoL is it or WBG is it). If town bites on the SK bit and shoots one of them then day ends and he gets to leave another day, hopefully to disappear from the forefronts of our thoughts.
I didn't want to out myself as blue so soon just because 1 guy (you) was buggering me about shooting.
What do you guys think of rastaban? @Wiggles: I think rastaban was talking about me and not RoL, but I'm not really sure
But you're the guy who was pushing the idea of all guns outting N0, thereby outting all blues. You were the one saying this should be an analysis game. This is a blatant contradiction in your philosophies.
When did I say that? I said that on D1 not N0
On June 13 2012 04:03 rastaban wrote:
Sorry gonzaw I won't tell you if I have a gun or not, Scum is already trying to snipe our VEs as it is, you will just have to wait and see.
If everybody says that when we try and force them to shoot me...then nobody would shoot me at all (that would be nice, but we wouldn't find any scum with it).
You are still avoiding the issue: Why does the fact that I don't have a gun make you think I'm scum, when your town read on me never hinged on the fact that I had a gun? |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. June 13 2012 04:08. Posts 4149 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 04:05 marvellosity wrote:
RoL will (attempt to) shoot gonzaw and that's that. Great plan by Wiggles.
RoL already tried to shoot and it failed. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. June 13 2012 04:08. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
I wouldn't mind supersoft shooting gonzaw.
I don't want to put it on a lurker who may or may not come back, I'd rather just shoot into those guys if we want to get a read on them.  |
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