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| Cephiro Finland. June 15 2012 07:57. Posts 662 | Profile # |
| EBWOP: Leaving in 15 minutes, so if you have anything you want to ask, use that time. If today's shot is going to be between payl/Zentor, I'd rather see payl shot. |
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| supersoft Germany. June 15 2012 07:57. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
| Phew and cephiro yes. I don't think he's scum... His case on me is terrible because he's completely unable to put arguments in a resonable order... he's just summarizing something... dunno |
| | It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the nuke lands. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. |
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| rastaban United States. June 15 2012 07:58. Posts 2223 | Profile Blog # |
On June 15 2012 07:48 Cephiro wrote: Case #1: supersoft
supersoft. The man who constantly jumps from one thing to another. The man who doesn't finish what he starts.
Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 16:10 supersoft wrote:
lol okay, now I got it. This setup is perfect for me.
Ahm let's discuss the dayshooting:
Should VTs shoot day1, to maximize their number of KP?
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Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote:
4 scum, 4 blues? 1-2 GF means there is a 33% chance if we shoot into the non VT players to hit scum. 1/5 of all players are scum, so lets shoot all nonVTs day1?
Some of his first posts into the game. Random numbers pulled out of god knows where, this cannot serve to anything but cause confusion. And asking if VTs should shoot day 1, when it is our only reliable lynch method... seriously? No, we'll just no-shoot and give scum free kills. He also instantly drops the subject before others even have time to respond and moves on.
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:20 supersoft wrote:
because we probably got a LOT of blues. + In an optimal scenario, we really could benefit from a Millermassclaim D1 NOT N1....
This is something I found interesting after first overlooking it. What makes you think we probably have a LOT of blues? And if you believe that is the case, why do you think a Miller massclaim on D1 would benefit us? If you think we have a lot of blues, that means you think the town doesn't possess many guns (unless you think there are vigilante(s)?), and in that situation outing any KP that town millers have, in a mass miller claim doesn't sound very smart to me.
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote:
Pressuring will be so MUCH easier:
I am going to type in one letter of the "##kill: MrZentor" in each post until he delivers his opinions!
WOA! So cool. Wish i was VT. Maybe I am... Maybe not...
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Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:04 supersoft wrote:
If I was VT, I would agree on that. Moreover would I assure, that I will shoot anyone that shoots townies without discussion.
I have no idea what you are trying to achieve by this. Especially as the next time you show up, you claim to have a gun. If you were trying to confuse scum/SK, you'd do a better job by just shutting up about it. This is funny, because the way he does it has currently no credibility. He has several times threatened to shoot someone in the thread, yet backed off every single time. Always appearing trigger happy, but never keeping his word.
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 03:17 supersoft wrote:
"I won't claim my role though, that would only create more shitstorm."
I really can't think of a reason why you shouldn't claim except the hosts didn't give you guys your fakeclaims yet.
Not sure if serious or trolling. I'll give you one reason just as an example, although there are many more good ones. By not claiming his role (if he was town), he could be able to draw kp (into a possible medic protection), or a possible scum roleblock, which would be very useful if he was a veteran for example. Say scum would roleblock but not kill him, in hopes of getting an easy mislynch later on, as he hasn't even done an exact claim. Now, a roleblock on a veteran without a kill following through is quite a waste for mafia, no? + Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2012 03:15 supersoft wrote:
full claim or i shoot you in the next minutes.
On June 13 2012 03:18 supersoft wrote:
lol dude, i love the feeling to shoot scum. I will if you don't claim. I certainly will :D
On June 13 2012 03:20 supersoft wrote:
hahaha I got a gun dude, don't suspect me without giving reasond ^___________^
On June 13 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote:
OKAY WAIT:
Gonzaw I have this figured out. I want you to claim now. I have a rough idea what i want you to claim. If you fail you're guaranteed dead. Go for it. If you're town claim.
On June 13 2012 04:30 supersoft wrote:
CLAIM NOW
On June 13 2012 04:31 supersoft wrote:
fuck you remind me so much of my last scumgame where I screwed thread discussions for onw whole day when i was guaranteed dead. You do that right now.
On June 13 2012 04:45 supersoft wrote:
he won't he's scum. He basically claimed it in here.
On June 13 2012 06:16 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 05:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
hey supersoft does Toad not understanding a joke mean he's mafia, or that he's just dumb?
i am more concerned about his reaction to this gonzawmess: He doesn't seem to be very surprised about it. I expected him to have a stronger opinion here since he defended gonzaw earlier... (hope i remember that correctly) @Toad: Dude, seriously, how could you not get that joke! Makes us Germans look like we have no humor! can I shoot gonzaw now?
On June 13 2012 07:08 supersoft wrote:
gonzaw one last chance: full claim
For someone that wants to shoot Gonzaw this badly, I felt kind of disappointed when he let it go so easily. When people were talking of others taking the shot instead of him, he semt quite satisfied with it. Not only that, but he went "trigger happy", on payl shortly after: + Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2012 06:23 supersoft wrote:
Payl, you have 5 minutes. I am crazy and I will shoot you if you don't shoot gonzaw.
On June 13 2012 06:25 supersoft wrote:
I don't think so. I am tired of that. I really think I have to set an example for future games.
On June 13 2012 06:27 supersoft wrote:
1 min. Do you even have a gun?
On June 13 2012 06:32 supersoft wrote:
OH SCREW YOU! I don't wanna waste my shot on an idiot like this!?
On June 13 2012 06:34 supersoft wrote:
maybe 5 min is too short -_-
going to play one lol-ranked-match. After that I chose between Toadesstern, gonzaw and payldude if they haven't already shot eachother.
On June 14 2012 22:56 supersoft wrote:
shut up marvel.
if payl doesn't claim within the next 8 hours i (or better toad) shoot him at midnight european time.
Yet no, nothing happens. He insists on being the one to shoot way too much for someone who doesn't follow up with anything. After doing this twice, why do you think anyone will even take a shot threat of you seriously? I guess you don't have a gun after all...
Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 14:55 supersoft wrote:
actually i think a mass roleclaim would be quite beneficial. discuss.
You suggest a mass roleclaim with absolutely no reasoning. How is it beneficial for town, as multiple scum could easily fake-claim VT, and asking all the so-said gun owners to take their shot would take way too long. Now he's changed his mind and prefers ordering others to shoot, as he knows his claim won't be taken seriously: + Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2012 06:10 supersoft wrote:
shoot payle now. i want to sleep and nothing is going to happen until we shot some useless bewns.
Payle refuses to communicate with us. Bullet please.
On June 15 2012 06:12 supersoft wrote:
I assume that he atleast readed my question about him having a gun. I asked him 2 or 3 times. I assume he doesn't want to answer this because he's scum and thinks he can scoot by with that shit. Go shoot him now Toad.
On June 15 2012 06:13 supersoft wrote:
Yes so what? I want to see toad shoot him since i don't really buy that toad really has a gun. My gun will be used early enough.
On top of this, he has asked multiple persons if they own a gun. Does a townie really need to know if everyone has a gun or not? How can anyone find this kind of play pro-town?
I have more on other persons, but it is getting late and I am way too sleepy to finish the other cases currently, so I will post them the instant I wake up, unless some smart-ass decides to shoot me.
Soft was green to a confirmed dt, do you think soft is gf? I couldn't find any mention of this fact but to me that is strong evidence of his being town. I am surprised a Towney would put together this whole case and miss that fact. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. June 15 2012 07:59. Posts 4151 | Profile Blog # |
supersoft you can't just switch like that. Both zentor and payl are easily the scummiest people in the thread and you've suddenly got cold feet. You've had payl as scum for much of the game and now when it looks like we're actually getting somewhere you back off. This looks really sketchy bro.
I'd like you to shoot payl right now. |
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| supersoft Germany. June 15 2012 08:00. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
On June 15 2012 07:56 talismania wrote:
Why have you ignored the part where gonzaw had a greencheck on supersoft?
ah awesome since you're here and I read your astounding similar play in PYPoison where you were scum, can you please claim whether you have a gun or not? |
| | It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the nuke lands. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. |
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| rastaban United States. June 15 2012 08:00. Posts 2223 | Profile Blog # |
| Sorry on my phone but I meant I could find it mentioned in your case against him. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. June 15 2012 08:00. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
Gonzaw was a DT who's sanity is not confirmed. The green check on Supersoft is not alignment indicating.
The chance for gonzaw to be sane is something like 50% and the chance for him to be insane is about 50% as well (as he can't be paranoid). So we have a coinflip on Supersoft because that check means nothing. |
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| supersoft Germany. June 15 2012 08:01. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
| Noone is shooting payl right now!!! |
| | It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the nuke lands. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. |
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| Cephiro Finland. June 15 2012 08:02. Posts 662 | Profile # |
| I am very well aware that Gonzaw had a green check on him. The way supersoft has constantly threatened to use his shot but still has been very happy about moving the responsibility to someone else is what has made me suspicious of him. Basically, he seems to be ready to shoot almost anyone under the pressure at any given moment, which I do not think a townie should do that lightly. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. June 15 2012 08:03. Posts 4151 | Profile Blog # |
On June 15 2012 08:01 supersoft wrote:
Noone is shooting payl right now!!!
wtf is this? |
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| Toadesstern Germany. June 15 2012 08:03. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
I find it quite troublesome that you're telling us not to shoot payl as well. You told me an hour ago to just shoot already so that we can go to sleep. What has changed? What would have happened if I just did what you told me to do and just shoot?
Were you convinced I would not shoot and wait and this was all just a great plan?
That's really giving me some thoughts right now. |
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| supersoft Germany. June 15 2012 08:04. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
On June 15 2012 08:03 Toadesstern wrote:
I find it quite troublesome that you're telling us not to shoot payl as well. You told me an hour ago to just shoot already so that we can go to sleep. What has changed? What would have happened if I just did what you told me to do and just shoot?
Were you convinced I would not shoot and wait and this was all just a great plan?
That's really giving me some thoughts right now.
mysterie solved: I read my PM again and saw that payl actually is in my scumteam.
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| supersoft Germany. June 15 2012 08:06. Posts 2746 | Profile # | |
| | It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the nuke lands. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. June 15 2012 08:09. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
the thing is that he played pro-town as mafia in PYP. Which means you're accusing him to play pro-town and willing to lynch him on that idea?
I'm pretty sure he would have done the same post as town in PYP and I'd rather take a look what wether or not he's explaining himself when taking stances. |
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| supersoft Germany. June 15 2012 08:11. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
| he's not really playing protown this game... he's like a neutral commentator who just farms the easypoints. Like that hint of gonzaws greencheck on me |
| | It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the nuke lands. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. |
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| talismania United States. June 15 2012 08:13. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
relax - I had planned that post in pick your poison regardless of alignment. if you're really interested in researching me look at space station and pick your power redux as well. Why are you so gung-ho on getting everyone to claim gun or no gun? I'm not convinced it's the right play - maybe D3 but D2 with no scum dead seems like a dangerous time for that. |
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| supersoft Germany. June 15 2012 08:13. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
woaaa you're defending my 2 strongest scumreads... how much time do we have left here?
I really need to work on this a little bit more |
| | It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the nuke lands. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. June 15 2012 08:15. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
Ok, I finally caught up. Sorry for not paying as much attention to this game, but it's been a spammy cluster-fuck, so that makes it harder to read and actually keep an order of who's saying/doing what in my head. I'll try to re-read everything until it's coherent, haha.
Right now, RoL is looking terrible to me, and I think we should shoot him today or tomorrow. He's just making excuses for his activity, but even when he is here, he refuses to post on other players, but instead focuses on his miller-claim and the mechanics around that. Remember this post? Especially the bolded?
On June 14 2012 11:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote:RoL talked about all the downsides of claiming millers, then claimed to be a miller. + Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote:gonzaw, you've just made me read all the setup speculation on Millers. Damn thee. There is so much I do not like about the claim.
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright, finished reading.
Any plan that involves millers and role checking is quite stupid. There are so many things that can interfere with proper results that it hinges on nothing. Anyone advocating some sort of role centric plan needs to shut up. It won't work, we don't even know if all the roles in the OP are the only roles in the game, but even from what we can tell it is still a crap shoot and it could only get worse.
I agree with what Chaoser said. If we think someone is scummy, we make them shoot who they think are scummy. If they can't shoot and can't explain themselves then we just kill them. Problem solved. On the off chance the DT figures out his sanity and claims to have found someone a Miller claim CANNOT absolve them. A DT will only get a red check back on non GF roles if his sanity is known. The non GF roles cannot shoot, so they would need to shoot to prove they are a Miller.
That claim can literally never work.
There is only one actual benefit of a Miller claiming in this set up. Hypothetically its day 5, we need to kill a mafia and the DT claims knowing his sanity and has a red check on someone. Assuming that person has NEVER shot during the day then he can now shoot to prove that he is not scum but a Miller. There is no way scum can emulate that play to the point where it would help a Miller to claim earlier on. The only thing that this helps is preventing a cop who knows there alignment to claiming publicly in that one very niche scenario.
In that scenario the N1 Miller claim would save the cop from going public. That is the only benefit. So does that single benefit justify having someone claim Miller? I can't see why someone would ever get shit for claiming Miller. The only mafia benefit to claiming Miller would be to avoid a RC but the only one who can do that is the GF who would get outed by a DT check and would prefer to get DT checked anyway.
The same thing applies to SK's.
Anyone faking Miller would eventually just get outed by some means and its not worth it. So I guess there is only that one benefit, but there is no real drawback besides people wasting time speculating on why someone claimed Miller.
But hey, since I outlined all the reasons above and there are no true drawbacks, might as well claim that I'm a Miller.
Outlines in some depth how little benefit there is to Miller claiming in this setup. He calls the benefit a 'very niche' scenario. Red text: Having outlined why it's barely beneficial if at all to claim Miller, he leaps into categorically saying no-one should give miller claims any shit. Claims at the end he 'outlined all the reasons'. All the reasons? He clarified himself it would only help in a 'very niche scenario'. What gives? He then says mafia have no reason to fakeclaim miller. He's actively pushing this to discredit the notion. Blue text: Also see post below, but this looks like an attempt to halt any discussion of his miller claim. Because we're so busy on Night 0, right?
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already...
yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho?
Half the reason I considered not claiming at all was just because I didn't think it was worth considering whether or not I was a Miller. I am sure if I continue being alive they will try to make me suspciious because of that. Or killing me, whatever. There is a chance that a medic could be on me because I claimed and they would be wasting their first hit. There is a number of things they have to take into account. Ultimately, I'm not really worried and whether I die or not its not that big of a deal.
Again with the blue text, pushing the idea that talking about his claim is a bad thing. To the bold and underlined: twice he says his claim is not a big deal. More language in the middle with 'or killing me, whatever'. Basically totally flippant and acting unconcerned about it.
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:
On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already...
yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho?
about 0. I actually thought there's no way that's really a claim because that would be stupid. Maybe it's a trick to survive d0?  Let's start the wifom machine lol.
And here comes that suspicion thing I was talking about. It's the only downside I perceived of claiming regardless of timing. Idiots will always over-analyze shit for no reason. However that wasn't something I could articulate without just saying people are dumb and we can't work around them being suspicious of a miller claim regardless of how illogical it is for any non-town person to do it.
Look at the change in tone! From his original claim with his "hey, I guess I'll claim miller" casual attitude and subsequent post with the 'whatevers' and 'it's not a big deal' he fucking jumps down Toad's throat. Now he's again pushing the idea that even talking about his claim is a bad thing. He admits here that he forsaw people being suspicious of the claim. Yet in his original post, the only 'benefit' he saw was with a very niche day 5 cop scenario. RoL said elsewhere in his filter that we should be working off behavioural analysis. I agree. I'm not questioning the claim because he claimed Miller, I'm questioning how he's gone about it. Scum.
He claimed to have his gun taken away, which is really suspicious as it sets him up to look exactly like a mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power.
On June 12 2012 13:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well I was shot last night but survived. I also had my gun taken away which is quite interesting.
These things coupled with the fact that he hasn't been around for the entire night makes me doubt his claim.
Would anybody else care to comment?
The only downside I mentioned is if I claimed and instead of the town believing me or at least not questioning me that much until it was necessary that the entire town actually just called me scum for claiming or some other shenanigans. Even before I had my gun taken the entire discussion turned to me being a Miller and whether or not I was scum. As I said, the only downside is if you all chose to focus on me + the claim. Claiming puts pressure on me to play a really protown game which I intend to do when the day post comes.This downside depends on the towns attitude and whether or not you guys are stupid even to solely focus on me and my claim or actually do important shit. The actual benefits were in a few limited scenarios it would save a DT claiming and a wasted day shot which didn't depend on town stupidity but on how the game played out. I basically weighed the possible game outcome of the DT ending up checking me vs the odds of you all being dumb. Since town stupidity is something we can analyze and don't have to attribute to luck we can punish people for that, however if it comes down to the DT scenario or one like it it is completely luck based which would benefit the mafia. You guys are proving that I wagered wrong by focusing on this so much. The only time it deserved attention was when I claimed I didn't have a gun.
And since that promise?
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On June 14 2012 12:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Kenpachi you have 4 fucking posts.
On June 14 2012 12:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Out of sheer spite I'm shooting you as soon as the day post goes up.
On June 14 2012 12:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I don't know its one day, all I know is its temporary. I would imagine its one day though.
On June 14 2012 13:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright Kenpachi give me two reasons not to kill you.
On June 14 2012 13:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
so here is how this is going to work. I am going to kill one of two people when I wake up. Those two people are Kenpachi and Toadesstern.
The town can feel free to give input on this, but I want to hear each one of you tell me why I should kill the other.
On June 14 2012 14:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So I changed my mind in how I played this, I wrote that last part before I got my PM back from a mod. I do NOT have my gun back yet. I considered playing this out to milk info from kenpachi and toad but I figure in a 24 hour cycle its probably not the best idea nor the most town-orientated idea to lie to all of you for 20 or so hours.
It would of been analytical gold for me, but I'm sure I wouldn't live until it became useful if I tried it.
On June 15 2012 00:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 22:29 rastaban wrote:
ROL can't shoot anyway, he just admitted he didn't get it back yet, I was actually surprised he thought he would. I assumed that if had legitimately lost his gun on a temporary basis it would work like a mis fire so it takes 1 day to renew (today) and then tomorrow it would be available again.
I figured if it was an SK power that its purpose was to give the SK enough time to kill a person before it could kill them. I didn't think it would last for multiple days because I judging by some of the other roles powers can't be used multiple times in a row on the same person, I wrongly took that to the next level and assumed I would have my gun back after a day.
Discussion about his gun being missing, Where exactly is that "really protown game" he promised? It's not like he hasn't been around since the day post. So, instead of posting about any reads, or even any thoughts at all about other players, he posts about his gun instead. He's refusing to give any thoughts on other players, instead he's focusing on talking about stuff that does absolutely nothing to help us find mafia. He's doing this willingly after making a promise to do otherwise. This guy is scum, and we should kill him. |
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| Meapak_Ziphh United States. June 15 2012 08:18. Posts 4151 | Profile Blog # |
You're all over the map supersoft:
On June 13 2012 01:36 supersoft wrote:
+ I want all of you to take positions. I want you to post your suspicions in red so all of us can see who you're aiming for.
In a setup like this, we have to make clear were we stand! No vote means scum can hide MUCH easier!!! They don't have to have ANY opinion if they don't want to.
We have to pressure a LOT more! I start: Toadesstern is suspicious, because he talks a lot and has no opinion on any player so far! Hasn't even an opinion about me?!
Except gonzaw (and this guy is talking too much. I am definetely not reading all of this again later -_-)
***and I remember that annulgame. I caught you day1. Was shot and facepalmed in the ObsQT and our PMs.
Never comes back to this
On June 13 2012 06:23 supersoft wrote:
Payl, you have 5 minutes. I am crazy and I will shoot you if you don't shoot gonzaw.
Never happens
On June 13 2012 06:34 supersoft wrote:
maybe 5 min is too short -_-
going to play one lol-ranked-match. After that I chose between Toadesstern, gonzaw and payldude if they haven't already shot eachother.
Nothing happens
On June 15 2012 06:10 supersoft wrote:
shoot payle now. i want to sleep and nothing is going to happen until we shot some useless bewns.
Payle refuses to communicate with us. Bullet please.
Nothing happens
On June 15 2012 06:10 supersoft wrote:
payle obviously has no gun since he's scum and not GF. Go shoot him now.
Shoot payl now please. |
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| talismania United States. June 15 2012 08:18. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
Can we organize a vote or something? The way this is going is silly. One person brings up a name, then two pages later it's someone else, then two pages later its someone else, then two pages later it's back to the first person. Everyone who's around votes for who they want shot and who they want to take the shot, then we act.
My vote is still for rastaban to shoot zentor. |
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