Bang Bang Mafia 2 - Page 8

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On June 11 2012 16:01 GMarshal wrote:

LOL
(its in the OP)

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On June 11 2012 16:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The king of smurfs is having some struggles with his identity

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On June 11 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote:
4 scum, 4 blues? 1-2 GF means there is a 33% chance if we shoot into the non VT players to hit scum. 1/5 of all players are scum, so lets shoot all nonVTs day1?

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On June 11 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote:
4 scum, 4 blues? 1-2 GF means there is a 33% chance if we shoot into the non VT players to hit scum. 1/5 of all players are scum, so lets shoot all nonVTs day1?

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On June 11 2012 17:25 gonzaw wrote:
Please everybody don't make a L plan to shoot a townie 5 minutes into D1.

If you think someone is scum and really want to shoot them...you can always shoot them later (if everybody follows this trail of thought we'll have normal days).


Okay people, if we have a Miller, do they claim tonight or tomorrow?
If they claim tonight, and we have a cop the cop won't check them, but if they don't claim tonight there' s a chance the cop will.
If they claim tonight however, there's a chance scum will shoot them because of their "semi-confirmed" status (i.e scum never fake-claim Miller, so someone claiming Miller is 80% telling the truth).


Oh wait, here's the plan:


Miller, as soon as D1 starts, claim and you'll be the one in charge of shooting on D1

My plan goes like this:

First of all, a Miller claim will avoid a cop checking him subsequent nights.
Second, the Miller can shoot at day, therefore we can use him to choose the D1 shot.
Third, like said before the Miller is "semi-confirmed" because in average scum never fake-claim Miller, and they will most likely not do it today.
Why? Because then the Godfather will be the one forced to fake-claim

Since the plan is for the Miller to shoot on D1, and the only scum that can do so is the GF, then only him can fake-claim Miller (if any other scum claims Miller, they'll get instantly caught once they refuse to shoot).

So, let's imagine the GF fake-claims Miller, what then?

Then there is another Miller or there isn't:

1) There is another Miller claim:
Then there will be a counterclaim; and one of them will basically be confirmed scum (the chances of 2 Millers is EXTREMELY low). We then let them shoot each other. If the real Miller is faster, great he'll shoot the GF and we'll live happily ever after. If the GF is faster, well then we can kill the GF the next day/night.

2) There is no other Miller claim:
In this case, although we may take him as "confirmed" for a while, he'll be in the spotlight for quite a while.
Not only that, we can make a tracker track him at night, that way we can catch him as GF.


After we get rid of the GF, then catching the remaining scum will be easy if we all claim if we have a gun (and can shoot) or not. Those that claim they have a gun take turns in shooting each day (to actually confirm they have a gun) into the group that claimed they didn't have a gun (of course shooting those we think are actually scum from that group, not shooting our freaking blues >_>).


So, if the GF claims Miller there is a high chance he'll get fucked, therefore I don't think he will.
Therefore I think we can trust a Miller claim tomorrow, and in the worst case we'll get a tracker on him at N2.

So people, this is the plan I was thinking of, do you agree or not?:

To Miller:

• If someone else already claimed Miller, he's GF so shoot him (and claim Miller in the process)
  
• If nobody claimed Miller, then claim Miller
  
• After you do, we'll discuss normally and you'll decide the shot, preferably with town consensus, so don't go rogue on our asses.
  

To Town:

• No VT shoot until a Miller claims, or until 24 or more hours have passed (to give the Miller time to claim)
  
• Everybody, just discuss, scumhunt and catch some filthy scum for the Miller to shoot at
  

To Tracker the next night:

• Track the Miller claim

If we don't have any Millers it will be apparent soon (before the 24 hours or so) since everybody will post but there will be no claim.
If that happens, then after the 24 or so hours normal VTs are allowed to shoot.

The purpose of this plan is:

1. Out the Miller so we have a "semi-confirmed" townie, and so Cops don't check him at night
   
2. Either basically catch the GF if he fake-claims, or have the Miller as confirmed townie (after the tracker tracks him)
   
3. If we catch the GF; then the rest of the game will be easy as pie
   
4. If we don't, then we'll have a "confirmed" townie in the Miller by D2
   
5. When D1 starts, we are guaranteed to have time to discuss and not have a random VT shoot 10 minutes into the day, because we'll be waiting for a Miller to claim
   
6. When a Miller claims, he'll be the one in charge of the shot so we'll be sure no shenanigans and weird stuff happen (like 2 guys fighting each other and one randomly shooting the other one)

Of course this means everybody would follow the plan (those that have a gun and those that don't), so we are guaranteed to have some D1 time to discuss

So people, what do you think?

Observation:
Maybe the SK can fake-claim Miller, since he can shoot at Day.
However, the SK is forced to shoot at night, therefore a tracker on him WILL catch him.
Also, since a "confirmed" Miller is bad reputation for scum, scum are likely to shoot the Miller claim, so the chances of scum shooting the SK will increase, blowing his cover once he survives the hit (and no medic claims his save).
Basically, the SK fake-claiming Miller will let us/scum catch him sooner or later, and doing so to get the D1 shot (why would he want the D1 shot?) and a little confirmed status for a while isn't worth it for him.

Observation2:
There is a chance we don't have a tracker. In which case we can't confirm the Miller.
First of all, the point is that scum don't know if we have a tracker either, so by having the GF fake-claim Miller they risk we actually having one.
Second, even if we don't have a tracker, the GF will still be in the spotlight, because town will assume the tracker tracked him and got a "good" result (i.e that he didn't visit anyone), but the "Miller" claim will keep being alive throughout the whole game.
This will mean that one day or the other the Miller-fake-claiming-Godfather will fall; so again it's not very convenient for him to do so

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Miller - You are a Vanilla Towny that unfortunately seems so scummy you show up as SCUM to an investigation.

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1) There is another Miller claim:
Then there will be a counterclaim; and one of them will basically be confirmed scum (the chances of 2 Millers is EXTREMELY low). We then let them shoot each other. If the real Miller is faster, great he'll shoot the GF and we'll live happily ever after. If the GF is faster, well then we can kill the GF the next day/night.

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Observation2:
There is a chance we don't have a tracker. In which case we can't confirm the Miller.
First of all, the point is that scum don't know if we have a tracker either, so by having the GF fake-claim Miller they risk we actually having one.
Second, even if we don't have a tracker, the GF will still be in the spotlight, because town will assume the tracker tracked him and got a "good" result (i.e that he didn't visit anyone), but the "Miller" claim will keep being alive throughout the whole game.
This will mean that one day or the other the Miller-fake-claiming-Godfather will fall; so again it's not very convenient for him to do so

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Roles:

These are just some of the roles that may appear in the game. Also not every role you see appears in this form!

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Cop - Kinda sucks that you can't shoot during the day but someone has to uphold the law. At Night you may investigate a player and get a result of Innocent or Scum. You may be Sane, Insane or Paranoid

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On June 11 2012 20:29 Dirkzor wrote:
I simply refuse to play if you guys don't read the OP. This is just over the top stupid...

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Roles:

These are just some of the roles that may appear in the game. Also not every role you see appears in this form!

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On June 11 2012 19:28 Toadesstern wrote:
However, we probably have a cop and in this setup the GF can't choose what he wants to show up as when being checked. This is important because usually the GF can choose what he returns on checks and therefore could choose to return as "Goon (mafia)" as well or whatever millers return as.
This game they can't which means that a DT check on them WILL give us a green check meaning they're busted because there's no way a miller could produce a green check on beind DT'ed in a setup without a framer.
So screw this tracker thing. Goon and RB can't fakeclaim. We just DT the guy and if he turns out green we shoot him because both GF and SK show up as green lol.

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On June 11 2012 20:49 Dirkzor wrote:
Toad, please. Read every word in every sentence. Will make it easier for both of us...

But I'll try again:



Bolded part means this is basicly a closed setup. Underlined means we can have a rolecop, scum doctor or whatever other role Ace can think of.

About you whole DT strategy...



You logic is just super flawed.
1) Yes a DT check can produce a green result.
2) Miller can also produce a green result
3) We don't know if scum have a framer
4) You just want to kill someone based on the first DT check that might not be correct? Outing the DT and giving scum the oppotunity to kill our DT?

Seems to me you just want people to claim regardless. I've never found you to be this stupid so maybe its on purpose...

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