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A miller is just a VT with a special title. So what? Why wouldn't they claim? There's a possibility of a fakeclaim. So what? Everyone else in the game is going to claim VT, and that doesn't necessarily say anything about their alignment. There's a possibility it doesn't help with a possible tracker/doctor because of a possible framer. So what? That possibility is always going to exist no matter what the tracker/doctor looks at. The upside is that it is a great thing to talk about D1, and a great topic for seeing how people react to whomever does claim, etc. I would also point out that while there is a possibility of a fakeclaim I think it's very low. A GF fakeclaiming miller is unnecessarily risky for scum when the GF can just as well fakeclaim VT and not have to worry about assuming that a cop will doubt their sanity or not check them or something. Only way it makes sense for GF to fakeclaim is if there's a framer too. Other mafia would be stupid to claim a role that can shoot when they can't. | ||
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On June 12 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 03:22 talismania wrote: The point of millers claiming isn't that it helps the town by giving them someone to shoot and plans and all this and that. Plans are always going to have holes in a closed setup. The point of millers claiming is that they have no reason not to. A miller is just a VT with a special title. So what? Why wouldn't they claim? There's a possibility of a fakeclaim. So what? Everyone else in the game is going to claim VT, and that doesn't necessarily say anything about their alignment. There's a possibility it doesn't help with a possible tracker/doctor because of a possible framer. So what? That possibility is always going to exist no matter what the tracker/doctor looks at. The upside is that it is a great thing to talk about D1, and a great topic for seeing how people react to whomever does claim, etc. I would also point out that while there is a possibility of a fakeclaim I think it's very low. A GF fakeclaiming miller is unnecessarily risky for scum when the GF can just as well fakeclaim VT and not have to worry about assuming that a cop will doubt their sanity or not check them or something. Only way it makes sense for GF to fakeclaim is if there's a framer too. Other mafia would be stupid to claim a role that can shoot when they can't. Well a miller claim either is a true miller or a mafia. There's no way a VT would claim miller, there's no way a blue would claim miller. So firstly mafia gets the information and it's easier to bluesnipe like that, especially if we have multiple millers because they can take them out. Yeah it's a little wifom because I just said blues will never claim miller which makes it a reasonable claim to "hide" but it would be a shitton of confusion. Just picture a blue claiming miller who is confronted with a green check on d3 on him. That wouldn't be helping at all to put it that way :p Additionally it's going to be a topic either way. If you play decent and just try to do no shenanigans you should not have problems. But let's take a miller who claimes on the n0 deadline (n0 -> d1) and assume that guy survives a couple of days. Again, that's going to be a topic and it's easy for mafia to get people not trust that guy simply because it would be a reasonable fakeclaim. If I was certain that we have 1 miller tops I'd probably agree on a claim n0-d1 in a heartbeak but I'm not really so sure about that assumption as I've actually seen more games with 2 or 3 millers than games with only 1 miller if I remember correctly. With 2 or 3 guys a "let's lynch into one of the millers, there's bound to be one mafia in there" later on, especially if they survive quite long is inevitable imo while no claim would be either no problem at all because we never got into that situation post day 3 with a DT that "luckily" happened to check a miller or if we have bad luck it happens and we're only going to lose a cycle if the guy is looking bad on top of being a miller. That bluesniping point is legitimate. I hadn't thought of that. hmm. There's legitimate tradeoffs either way then. | ||
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So here's the outlines of the idea. The goal is to catch scum out in the long run by forcing them to post cases, suspicions, etc. Scum operate by feeling out the thread, sensing where discussion is going and nudging it along in a favorable direction or whatever. Blending in and all that jazz. To make it harder for this to happen (and to simultaneously make it so that everyone is playing harder), I came up with this proposal. (1) Everyone has to pick one person to make a case on, for why they think that person is scum. You have to actually make the case, like you're radfield or qatol or whatever. Nice decent-length post. (2) Everyone reveals their case at the same time (a good time would be near daybreak). This is the part that makes it hard for scum to blend in. (3) Note that there's extra information to be had here: who participated and who didn't. And why did the people who didn't participate not do so? (4) We take a look at the cases and go from there. FAQ: What's this good for again? --Forces participation / thread reading --Forces scum to make their own cases rather than hanging back --Additional information: HOW do people make their cases etc --When someone flips scum, there's a wealth of information to look back on. Who did they make a case on? Who made a case on them? Etc etc How the fuck do you get everyone on the thread at the same time? --You don't need to. You can post your case before the deadline but encrypt it using http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/javascrypt.html and then post the key later. Yay encryption! What's wrong with just posting our cases as we make them? --Nothing really. That's obviously how every other game is played. But doing it this way can force everyone to play harder, better, etc. See the first question. It's not like posting has to stop until the cases are made or anything. Does it have to be a case on a single person? --All that matters for point (1) above is that it's something agreed to by everyone. It could be a case on a single person. It could be reads on everyone in the game. It could be a top four list of scum contenders. Whatever we think generates the most information. Your point (4) - how do we get from this to a lynch? --Nothing in particular. This acts as an info dump. We can get from it to the shooting however we want. Boohoo it will spam the thread up! --Suck it up and play the game. Mafia is about reading things and making decisions. If you're concerned about this, then we can all put our encrypted cases in spoiler tags. ___________ I will do this for sure. Anyone with me? | ||
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On June 12 2012 10:39 marvellosity wrote: Funny how you say about reading things talismania when you clearly have not done that yourself before posting that. Well done. huh? Did someone else suggest this? There were like ten posts made while I was typing that up it that's what you're referring to. | ||
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On June 12 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 10:35 talismania wrote: I've realized that an idea I had after Space Station might be applicable here. I was saving it up for a game with a mayoral election and PMs, but I then saw that in this game we all get to be mayor! So here's the outlines of the idea. The goal is to catch scum out in the long run by forcing them to post cases, suspicions, etc. Scum operate by feeling out the thread, sensing where discussion is going and nudging it along in a favorable direction or whatever. Blending in and all that jazz. To make it harder for this to happen (and to simultaneously make it so that everyone is playing harder), I came up with this proposal. (1) Everyone has to pick one person to make a case on, for why they think that person is scum. You have to actually make the case, like you're radfield or qatol or whatever. Nice decent-length post. (2) Everyone reveals their case at the same time (a good time would be near daybreak). This is the part that makes it hard for scum to blend in. (3) Note that there's extra information to be had here: who participated and who didn't. And why did the people who didn't participate not do so? (4) We take a look at the cases and go from there. FAQ: What's this good for again? --Forces participation / thread reading --Forces scum to make their own cases rather than hanging back --Additional information: HOW do people make their cases etc --When someone flips scum, there's a wealth of information to look back on. Who did they make a case on? Who made a case on them? Etc etc How the fuck do you get everyone on the thread at the same time? --You don't need to. You can post your case before the deadline but encrypt it using http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/javascrypt.html and then post the key later. Yay encryption! What's wrong with just posting our cases as we make them? --Nothing really. That's obviously how every other game is played. But doing it this way can force everyone to play harder, better, etc. See the first question. It's not like posting has to stop until the cases are made or anything. Does it have to be a case on a single person? --All that matters for point (1) above is that it's something agreed to by everyone. It could be a case on a single person. It could be reads on everyone in the game. It could be a top four list of scum contenders. Whatever we think generates the most information. Your point (4) - how do we get from this to a lynch? --Nothing in particular. This acts as an info dump. We can get from it to the shooting however we want. Boohoo it will spam the thread up! --Suck it up and play the game. Mafia is about reading things and making decisions. If you're concerned about this, then we can all put our encrypted cases in spoiler tags. ___________ I will do this for sure. Anyone with me? I'm not going to wade through walls of bullshit to find scum. If I were on the scumteam I personally would love doing this, as I'd instantly be the most townie motherfucker in the thread. Look at my first post in Mini X if you don't believe me. Right here. Do you have any idea how damaging it is to town to have to wade through walls of completely fabricated text? Even townies will end up fabricating cases just to create fluff if we impose this rule. I know I will, because often times when I run into a scum, it's one or two lines that make or break the read. Fair point, but if people don't want to wade through walls of shit, then we don't have to make a case. It can be a list of four names, simply. Maybe one sentence for why each is scum. | ||
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On June 12 2012 10:58 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 10:57 talismania wrote: On June 12 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote: On June 12 2012 10:35 talismania wrote: I've realized that an idea I had after Space Station might be applicable here. I was saving it up for a game with a mayoral election and PMs, but I then saw that in this game we all get to be mayor! So here's the outlines of the idea. The goal is to catch scum out in the long run by forcing them to post cases, suspicions, etc. Scum operate by feeling out the thread, sensing where discussion is going and nudging it along in a favorable direction or whatever. Blending in and all that jazz. To make it harder for this to happen (and to simultaneously make it so that everyone is playing harder), I came up with this proposal. (1) Everyone has to pick one person to make a case on, for why they think that person is scum. You have to actually make the case, like you're radfield or qatol or whatever. Nice decent-length post. (2) Everyone reveals their case at the same time (a good time would be near daybreak). This is the part that makes it hard for scum to blend in. (3) Note that there's extra information to be had here: who participated and who didn't. And why did the people who didn't participate not do so? (4) We take a look at the cases and go from there. FAQ: What's this good for again? --Forces participation / thread reading --Forces scum to make their own cases rather than hanging back --Additional information: HOW do people make their cases etc --When someone flips scum, there's a wealth of information to look back on. Who did they make a case on? Who made a case on them? Etc etc How the fuck do you get everyone on the thread at the same time? --You don't need to. You can post your case before the deadline but encrypt it using http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/javascrypt.html and then post the key later. Yay encryption! What's wrong with just posting our cases as we make them? --Nothing really. That's obviously how every other game is played. But doing it this way can force everyone to play harder, better, etc. See the first question. It's not like posting has to stop until the cases are made or anything. Does it have to be a case on a single person? --All that matters for point (1) above is that it's something agreed to by everyone. It could be a case on a single person. It could be reads on everyone in the game. It could be a top four list of scum contenders. Whatever we think generates the most information. Your point (4) - how do we get from this to a lynch? --Nothing in particular. This acts as an info dump. We can get from it to the shooting however we want. Boohoo it will spam the thread up! --Suck it up and play the game. Mafia is about reading things and making decisions. If you're concerned about this, then we can all put our encrypted cases in spoiler tags. ___________ I will do this for sure. Anyone with me? I'm not going to wade through walls of bullshit to find scum. If I were on the scumteam I personally would love doing this, as I'd instantly be the most townie motherfucker in the thread. Look at my first post in Mini X if you don't believe me. Right here. Do you have any idea how damaging it is to town to have to wade through walls of completely fabricated text? Even townies will end up fabricating cases just to create fluff if we impose this rule. I know I will, because often times when I run into a scum, it's one or two lines that make or break the read. Fair point, but if people don't want to wade through walls of shit, then we don't have to make a case. It can be a list of four names, simply. Maybe one sentence for why each is scum. So effectively you want townie to behave like townies would anyway and scum to appear more townlike than they'd appear otherwise Nice =/ You miss the point. Participation doesn't mean scum are acting "more townlike" at all. The strongest information that comes out of it is what happens when someone flips scum. Now there's a repository of information to be gleaned from, as we've instituted a policy requiring everyone to post their reads/cases/top 4 whatever. Furthermore, there's info in HOW the cases or whatever policy is presented. How strongly are they worded - how much do people push what they wrote afterwards? It gives the people that like to read something to study, and those that want to ignore it can do so too. | ||
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On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote: If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person. If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. I support this! Allow me to repost one of the most coherent post made in this whole thread: Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Everyone pushing for an early shot right now is incredibly scummy, it is in towns best interest to not shoot immediately until we can review and make an informed post. There are a lot of people who still need to contribute making only 1 liners or no video posts, they need to start posting CONTENT. On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote: The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners. risk.nuke Kenpachi payl gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot. ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him. Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on? I didn't even realize when I skimmed the thread the first time that it went in this order too. First he was for wbg shooting gonzaw, then he was "not really seeing him as mafia" (paraphrase) and saying that "he doesn't seem scum at all". I thought it had gone in the other direction, but this way is just plain strange. More telling is the composition of the first post. He starts with the "I agree with this" and then it's like in his head he went "oh crap I can't just make a post that only says that" and added a bunch of meaningless filler with classic exhorting town to action stuff. The only actionable thing that post does is support the wbg plan, the rest is fluff. | ||
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On June 14 2012 09:29 rastaban wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 14 2012 09:20 rastaban wrote: On June 14 2012 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: On June 14 2012 09:00 talismania wrote: Ok I re-read. Gonzaw had the right idea - this is the weirdest contradiction in the whole thread: On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote: On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote: If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person. If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. I support this! Allow me to repost one of the most coherent post made in this whole thread: On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Everyone pushing for an early shot right now is incredibly scummy, it is in towns best interest to not shoot immediately until we can review and make an informed post. There are a lot of people who still need to contribute making only 1 liners or no video posts, they need to start posting CONTENT. On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote: The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners. risk.nuke Kenpachi payl gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot. ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him. Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on? I didn't even realize when I skimmed the thread the first time that it went in this order too. First he was for wbg shooting gonzaw, then he was "not really seeing him as mafia" (paraphrase) and saying that "he doesn't seem scum at all". I thought it had gone in the other direction, but this way is just plain strange. More telling is the composition of the first post. He starts with the "I agree with this" and then it's like in his head he went "oh crap I can't just make a post that only says that" and added a bunch of meaningless filler with classic exhorting town to action stuff. The only actionable thing that post does is support the wbg plan, the rest is fluff. The guy doesn't have any scumreads. Like, by now if he was town someone should have at least pissed him off to the point of calling them scum, yeah? He has none. No one he's even suspected that I'm aware of, though I have to admit...I haven't been watching too closely until today. Rastaban shoots tomorrow, and if he can't he dies. That's my vote. The whole reason I supported that first post was to keep someone from shooting that night, you notice there is a 9 hour gap because I was asleep. And who was your scum read besides me, oh wait it was Gonzaw we saw how that went down. There are a ton of people who we have almost no information on. And this whole gonzaw thing, you are singling me out for being the one to defend him? When I finally decide well maybe these people who have played more than me might have a better read I guess I will go along with them you decide to lynch me I'm not singling you out for anything to do with gonzaw. I'm singling you out because you look like ass because you don't have a single solitary scumread in the whole game. Yeah, we have lurkers...it's a problem in EVERY GAME. What you wanna do about it? Wanna shoot them? Who do you think is scum? Why? I don't know anything about you guy, so all I have to base my read on you on is the information you put in the thread....and you haven't been putting any there! But by all means, continue to pull the newb card while under attack - it's doing wonders for your case for innocence. -.- Well played VE, Well played, but you wont get my scum arguments till day comes "till day comes" you're lucky Radfield isn't in this game, right toad? :-) | ||
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On June 12 2012 23:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL is most likely miller, as I doubt the mafia would make up something like that; the only suspicious thing is that now he appears exactly like a normal mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), we might want to kill him in the future if we don't kill anybody who has the gun stealing role. [...] Which was another post that jumped out at me during my re-reading because it seemed to leave open the possibility for you to do exactly what you just did. ______________ If RoL is scum, then there aren't any other millers, or the other miller(s) think there might be more than one (hence no other miller claims when millers should have claimed D1) and there is no medic, or the real medic is too afraid to come out. I don't see that as likely. | ||
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On June 14 2012 12:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Out of sheer spite I'm shooting you as soon as the day post goes up. Is this a joke or are you now claiming that you're able to shoot? | ||
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On June 14 2012 12:24 rastaban wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 12:16 talismania wrote: On June 14 2012 12:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Out of sheer spite I'm shooting you as soon as the day post goes up. Is this a joke or are you now claiming that you're able to shoot? He has stated in the past that it was temporary What does this mean? | ||
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On June 15 2012 07:48 Cephiro wrote: Case #1: supersoft supersoft. The man who constantly jumps from one thing to another. The man who doesn't finish what he starts. Show nested quote + On June 11 2012 16:10 supersoft wrote: lol okay, now I got it. This setup is perfect for me. Ahm let's discuss the dayshooting: Should VTs shoot day1, to maximize their number of KP? + Show nested quote + On June 11 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote: 4 scum, 4 blues? 1-2 GF means there is a 33% chance if we shoot into the non VT players to hit scum. 1/5 of all players are scum, so lets shoot all nonVTs day1? Some of his first posts into the game. Random numbers pulled out of god knows where, this cannot serve to anything but cause confusion. And asking if VTs should shoot day 1, when it is our only reliable lynch method... seriously? No, we'll just no-shoot and give scum free kills. He also instantly drops the subject before others even have time to respond and moves on. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 05:20 supersoft wrote: because we probably got a LOT of blues. + In an optimal scenario, we really could benefit from a Millermassclaim D1 NOT N1.... This is something I found interesting after first overlooking it. What makes you think we probably have a LOT of blues? And if you believe that is the case, why do you think a Miller massclaim on D1 would benefit us? If you think we have a lot of blues, that means you think the town doesn't possess many guns (unless you think there are vigilante(s)?), and in that situation outing any KP that town millers have, in a mass miller claim doesn't sound very smart to me. Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote: Pressuring will be so MUCH easier: I am going to type in one letter of the "##kill: MrZentor" in each post until he delivers his opinions! WOA! So cool. Wish i was VT. Maybe I am... Maybe not... + Show nested quote + On June 12 2012 06:04 supersoft wrote: If I was VT, I would agree on that. Moreover would I assure, that I will shoot anyone that shoots townies without discussion. I have no idea what you are trying to achieve by this. Especially as the next time you show up, you claim to have a gun. If you were trying to confuse scum/SK, you'd do a better job by just shutting up about it. This is funny, because the way he does it has currently no credibility. He has several times threatened to shoot someone in the thread, yet backed off every single time. Always appearing trigger happy, but never keeping his word. Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 03:17 supersoft wrote: "I won't claim my role though, that would only create more shitstorm." I really can't think of a reason why you shouldn't claim except the hosts didn't give you guys your fakeclaims yet. Not sure if serious or trolling. I'll give you one reason just as an example, although there are many more good ones. By not claiming his role (if he was town), he could be able to draw kp (into a possible medic protection), or a possible scum roleblock, which would be very useful if he was a veteran for example. Say scum would roleblock but not kill him, in hopes of getting an easy mislynch later on, as he hasn't even done an exact claim. Now, a roleblock on a veteran without a kill following through is quite a waste for mafia, no? + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 03:15 supersoft wrote: full claim or i shoot you in the next minutes. On June 13 2012 03:18 supersoft wrote: lol dude, i love the feeling to shoot scum. I will if you don't claim. I certainly will :D On June 13 2012 03:20 supersoft wrote: hahaha I got a gun dude, don't suspect me without giving reasond ^___________^ On June 13 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote: OKAY WAIT: Gonzaw I have this figured out. I want you to claim now. I have a rough idea what i want you to claim. If you fail you're guaranteed dead. Go for it. If you're town claim. On June 13 2012 04:30 supersoft wrote: CLAIM NOW On June 13 2012 04:31 supersoft wrote: fuck you remind me so much of my last scumgame where I screwed thread discussions for onw whole day when i was guaranteed dead. You do that right now. On June 13 2012 04:45 supersoft wrote: he won't he's scum. He basically claimed it in here. On June 13 2012 06:16 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2012 05:59 wherebugsgo wrote: hey supersoft does Toad not understanding a joke mean he's mafia, or that he's just dumb? i am more concerned about his reaction to this gonzawmess: He doesn't seem to be very surprised about it. I expected him to have a stronger opinion here since he defended gonzaw earlier... (hope i remember that correctly) @Toad: Dude, seriously, how could you not get that joke! Makes us Germans look like we have no humor! can I shoot gonzaw now? On June 13 2012 07:08 supersoft wrote: gonzaw one last chance: full claim For someone that wants to shoot Gonzaw this badly, I felt kind of disappointed when he let it go so easily. When people were talking of others taking the shot instead of him, he semt quite satisfied with it. Not only that, but he went "trigger happy", on payl shortly after: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 06:23 supersoft wrote: Payl, you have 5 minutes. I am crazy and I will shoot you if you don't shoot gonzaw. On June 13 2012 06:25 supersoft wrote: I don't think so. I am tired of that. I really think I have to set an example for future games. On June 13 2012 06:27 supersoft wrote: 1 min. Do you even have a gun? On June 13 2012 06:32 supersoft wrote: OH SCREW YOU! I don't wanna waste my shot on an idiot like this!? On June 13 2012 06:34 supersoft wrote: maybe 5 min is too short -_- going to play one lol-ranked-match. After that I chose between Toadesstern, gonzaw and payldude if they haven't already shot eachother. On June 14 2012 22:56 supersoft wrote: shut up marvel. if payl doesn't claim within the next 8 hours i (or better toad) shoot him at midnight european time. Yet no, nothing happens. He insists on being the one to shoot way too much for someone who doesn't follow up with anything. After doing this twice, why do you think anyone will even take a shot threat of you seriously? I guess you don't have a gun after all... Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 14:55 supersoft wrote: actually i think a mass roleclaim would be quite beneficial. discuss. You suggest a mass roleclaim with absolutely no reasoning. How is it beneficial for town, as multiple scum could easily fake-claim VT, and asking all the so-said gun owners to take their shot would take way too long. Now he's changed his mind and prefers ordering others to shoot, as he knows his claim won't be taken seriously: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2012 06:10 supersoft wrote: shoot payle now. i want to sleep and nothing is going to happen until we shot some useless bewns. Payle refuses to communicate with us. Bullet please. On June 15 2012 06:12 supersoft wrote: I assume that he atleast readed my question about him having a gun. I asked him 2 or 3 times. I assume he doesn't want to answer this because he's scum and thinks he can scoot by with that shit. Go shoot him now Toad. On June 15 2012 06:13 supersoft wrote: Yes so what? I want to see toad shoot him since i don't really buy that toad really has a gun. My gun will be used early enough. On top of this, he has asked multiple persons if they own a gun. Does a townie really need to know if everyone has a gun or not? How can anyone find this kind of play pro-town? I have more on other persons, but it is getting late and I am way too sleepy to finish the other cases currently, so I will post them the instant I wake up, unless some smart-ass decides to shoot me. Why have you ignored the part where gonzaw had a greencheck on supersoft? | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:06 supersoft wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480&user=32774 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340727&user=32774 Do you guys see the similarity of his openingpost? relax - I had planned that post in pick your poison regardless of alignment. if you're really interested in researching me look at space station and pick your power redux as well. Why are you so gung-ho on getting everyone to claim gun or no gun? I'm not convinced it's the right play - maybe D3 but D2 with no scum dead seems like a dangerous time for that. | ||
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My vote is still for rastaban to shoot zentor. | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:41 supersoft wrote: anyway. Talismani i want you to shot payl otherwise i am going to shoot you. wtf is this? What's your time frame here? | ||
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