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| Polar_Nada United States. July 10 2012 15:19. Posts 1545 | Profile Blog # |
| wow this is something different. this entire page is full of super high masters/gm players battling it out on forums XD |
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| shinyA China. July 10 2012 15:21. Posts 435 | Profile # |
On July 10 2012 15:18 zoohairZ wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 15:12 LuckyFool wrote:
Well at first I didn't believe but that rep is pretty fkin sketch. Zoohairz is one of the bigger coinflippy z's on NA and his play might be dumb enough to look like hax sometimes but I dunno....plus he's being super defensive spades style already in this thread...And wtf is up with eating dinner while playing. Who has 200apm eating dinner? Must have been some sort of finger foods dinner definitely wasn't lobster or some shit. Anyway baz is just a bmbag as it is so whatever, fuck all I'm going to bed.
I was eating until the all-in failed then I put it aside. I don't really care, I'm just sensitive, i guess. I DONT CARE WHATTAYA SAYYYY ILL JUST KEEP PLAYIN MAH GAIMEZ. Im done 
I remember you threatened to like murder my family one time after I beat you lol |
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| Whatson United States. July 10 2012 15:23. Posts 4467 | Profile # |
On July 10 2012 15:19 Polar_Nada wrote:
wow this is something different. this entire page is full of super high masters/gm players battling it out on forums XD
There's actually more Masters/GM posters in this thread than any other 10 combined lol |
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| LuckyFool United States. July 10 2012 15:28. Posts 8295 | Profile Blog # |
| This thread sorta reminds me of the old broodwar "who's who" threads for finding iccup smurfs. Except now way more is on the line :D |
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| D4V3Z02 Germany. July 10 2012 15:28. Posts 570 | Profile # |
On July 10 2012 15:19 Polar_Nada wrote:
wow this is something different. this entire page is full of super high masters/gm players battling it out on forums XD
And what did Mvp do while they battled? ) |
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| YoonBaekHee New Zealand. July 10 2012 15:36. Posts 1 | Profile # | |
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| Schickysc Canada. July 10 2012 15:40. Posts 318 | Profile Blog # |
On July 10 2012 14:09 zoohairZ wrote:I'll upload it. I just reviewed the replay, and I GUESS (?) there's 2 instances where it could seem like I hack. First would be lack of scouting. I don't usually drone scout ZvT, and I was actually half-playing this game and half eating dinner, thats why i chose to all in (yaya make your cheesy all in jokes :D). It wouldnt really matter where he spawned i could just sent out a ling and check em all but i checked the nat area with the overlord and saw mule coming down. So I knew he was there. Second is the counter attack thing. I look at the game and yah that counter attack looks hella fishy but it wasnt an actual counter-attack (or atleast wasn't meant to be). I was just checking to see his unit comp (doing it with all my lings instead of 1 was kinda stupid, yah, but that was the 2nd time I did it). When I saw no units there, I figured he moved out and just attacked his mineral line. In which case i made a bunch of spine crawlers. He pulled his entire army back to deal with it. If I knew he was doing that, i would have just cancelled the spine crawlers since If he pulled back and then attacked me again after I would have 1/1 done and enough units to deal with his push. Ill upload the replay in a sec. edit: http://drop.sc/217871
After reviewing this replay, I must admit there is sufficient suspicious activity.
The overlord you send down to the 5 oclock position, is typical, to scout for an expansion (or even if the player is in that starting location). The overlord you send towards the 10 oclock position, you rally dead center above the 12oclock base. Why not send it further and poke in to see if he spawned there? You can safely check the gas there. Seems like you knew he wasn't there, but were leaving an overlord there for any potential drop scouting.
At 5:10, you poke in to check for the expansion. Typical terran fast expand timing. If it's worth poking in here, why isn't it worth poking in at the 10oclock base?
At 8:08, you see banshees. You don't have lair, and your evos don't start till 9:30ish. I don't know timings that well, but he had more than enough gas to get cloak when he started his first banshee, so obviously it was a possibility. If he started it when the first banshee was being made, it would have hit at around 9 minutes. Somehow that didn't feel like a threat to warrant an evo/lair earlier?
At 9:57, you select your lings, move them, and then bring them STRAIGHT back to your base, just at the top of your ramp, before you see any units coming. Why would you take all your units that are giving you map control, and bring them to your base? A second later, you select both your queens in the natural, move them together, to get ready to defend against the banshees. Spidey sense tingling? You get a perfect flank and surround on the hellions, plus kill a banshee.
At 17:02, you had your infestors selected, and were already looking at where the banshees were going to emerge from the fog of war, ready to fungal. Last you seen the banshees was at the watch tower. Spidey sense again I assume.
At 19:37, you preemptively move your lings back to your base thats about to be dropped. You move them towards the xel'naga watch tower (can't find the point of click for the move command). This is just weird. Why don't you have a ling on the watch tower? Why did you bring them back from the left side of the map?
At 25:17, you have view of a drop for a splitsecond, but don't react to it, assuming you didn't see it during that split second. At 25:32, the millisecond that red shows on your minimap, you are moving your camera there, followed by your units. Possible, but super fishy.
At 27:19 you start moving your lings to scout the 7oclock base (which he has), even though your burrowed ling knows there is no 4th at the 6oclock. Spidey sense again I assume. (At 23:08 it appears like you take a ling and start moving it towards the 6oclock, to try and spot his floating cc, but fail to do so)
Everything after this point is moot because the game is so clearly yours. I'm no expert by any means, but I believe this replay, and his other replays available deserve a second look by Zwei or someone.Last edit: 2012-07-10 15:40:23 |
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| Whatson United States. July 10 2012 15:49. Posts 4467 | Profile # |
On July 10 2012 15:36 YoonBaekHee wrote:http://drop.sc/217898 ... this guy is also hacking. can you please help to report and get him banned
You really made an account just to get this guy banned? lol
Yeah he probably had maphacks on (or you just cannon-rush every game)
I find it more funny how he totally outplayed you and you just kept raging on and on |
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 zoohairZ Canada. July 10 2012 15:52. Posts 254 | Profile # |
| Ok flag my name for future replays then i dont care lol -_- , i could come up with 1001 things to say but no point because it will all sound like excuses. just gnna keep playing. |
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| ExO_ United States. July 10 2012 16:00. Posts 481 | Profile Blog # |
| the most striking similarity I see is between zoohairZ's reactions in this thread, and spade's reactions. The entire dinner thing is obviously a lie, but why tell it? What does him eating dinner prove or do for his side of the story? absolutely nothing. It's either a really dumb lie for no good reason, or the result of panic defense. |
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| StarcraftWonders United States. July 10 2012 16:08. Posts 54 | Profile # |
| Why he say he's eating dinner when it's an obvious lie...makes you wonder now. |
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| zoohairZ Canada. July 10 2012 16:10. Posts 254 | Profile # |
On July 10 2012 16:00 ExO_ wrote:
the most striking similarity I see is between zoohairZ's reactions in this thread, and spade's reactions. The entire dinner thing is obviously a lie, but why tell it? What does him eating dinner prove or do for his side of the story? absolutely nothing. It's either a really dumb lie for no good reason, or the result of panic defense.
not going to lie, it was kind of a panic defense, LOL. Its like when all this negative attention is towards me its kinda scary. i just like apm spamming alot but since all attention is on me im streaming now a bit !! www.twitch.tv/zoohairz |
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| Schickysc Canada. July 10 2012 16:16. Posts 318 | Profile Blog # |
Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old.
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.html
Anyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following:
At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here.
At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas.
At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE.
Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence. |
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| Danglars United States. July 10 2012 16:16. Posts 1923 | Profile Blog # |
On July 10 2012 15:49 Whatson wrote:You really made an account just to get this guy banned? lol Yeah he probably had maphacks on (or you just cannon-rush every game) I find it more funny how he totally outplayed you and you just kept raging on and on
A one-post user took Spades from the ranks of second-tier NA professional gamers, lest we forget. |
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| K-Na Canada. July 10 2012 16:21. Posts 78 | Profile # |
| are you guys actually taking Baz's accusation seriously? that kid rages, flames and accuses everyone of bullshit. |
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| EtherealDeath United States. July 10 2012 16:22. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
On July 10 2012 16:10 zoohairZ wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:00 ExO_ wrote:
the most striking similarity I see is between zoohairZ's reactions in this thread, and spade's reactions. The entire dinner thing is obviously a lie, but why tell it? What does him eating dinner prove or do for his side of the story? absolutely nothing. It's either a really dumb lie for no good reason, or the result of panic defense.
not going to lie, it was kind of a panic defense, LOL. Its like when all this negative attention is towards me its kinda scary. i just like apm spamming alot but since all attention is on me im streaming now a bit !! www.twitch.tv/zoohairz
Seeing as how yet another replay has been posted from someone about you, and considering that you're advertising your stream, should it come to it, it would probably be best if your stream actually included 1v1 ladder stream to show that you actually do play that way. I'm just saying since your stream and vods don't seem to have any 1v1 ladder on them. "If" it gets to that point. |
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| mcleod Canada. July 10 2012 16:26. Posts 341 | Profile # |
On July 10 2012 16:10 zoohairZ wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:00 ExO_ wrote:
the most striking similarity I see is between zoohairZ's reactions in this thread, and spade's reactions. The entire dinner thing is obviously a lie, but why tell it? What does him eating dinner prove or do for his side of the story? absolutely nothing. It's either a really dumb lie for no good reason, or the result of panic defense.
not going to lie, it was kind of a panic defense, LOL. Its like when all this negative attention is towards me its kinda scary. i just like apm spamming alot but since all attention is on me im streaming now a bit !! www.twitch.tv/zoohairz
id like to you see the vod of the game we played because u stream right?
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| EtherealDeath United States. July 10 2012 16:29. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence.
o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll?
Eh that is a semi common place for probe.
Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE?Last edit: 2012-07-10 16:30:31 |
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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. July 10 2012 16:32. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
On July 10 2012 16:29 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 16:16 Schickysc wrote:Found another replay of zoohairZ. Could be a month or two old. http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-23261-0-scnzoohairz_z_-vs-laughingman_p.htmlAnyway, looked over this replay too. Found the following: At 2:43, the zoom issue. Many hackers have been having this problem. One of the popular hacks utilizes the mouse wheel to activate/deactivate a feature. He zooms out and back in quickly here. At 4:28, finds the probe, without having looked anywhere else. Didn't check above the gas. At 6:23, randomly decides that it's more important to check the top right spawning location for a proxy (where there is a probe, who builds a pylon), than it is to poke and make sure he's doing a standard FFE. Seems like a training game or something, but those 3 things may add to the previous evidence.
o.O 2:43 was certainly strange, could be mis-scroll? Eh that is a semi common place for probe. Yea, for whatever reason a FFE was completely assumed. Didn't even have vision up the nat ramp until like 7 minutes in? Never did bother to scout until then.... but idk maybe this was a practice (edit: looks like maybe paid coaching?) game with pre-arranged FFE?
Someone METAGAMED.... on the LADDER?!?!?!
Guys.... proof, not mild suspicions.
There are some people in this thread who have done detailled analysis on replays, send the replay to them in a pm, why do you have to drop names in this thread where it doesn't do anyone any good, everyone looks like an idiot this way.Last edit: 2012-07-10 16:33:25 |
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