| Shellshock1122 United States. May 28 2012 21:27. Posts 38963 | Profile Blog # |
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| monk United States. May 28 2012 21:27. Posts 6782 | Profile Blog # | |
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| SarcasmMonster May 28 2012 21:27. Posts 2897 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 21:25 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:24 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:22 blacksheepwall wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:19 Fragile51 wrote:
I hope Thors get changed so that they either: Have less energy or have no energy whatsoever. They shouldn't be this useless.
HotS is supposed to make the Thor a Hero unit (a la Mothership) and replace it with the more Goliath-like Warhound. Hopefully Thors stay alive though. And I think the games earlier today made a pretty solid argument for keeping the Carrier around too.
But who really knows what they've done with HOTS. It's been so long since Blizzcon.
That article mostly says "we're thinking about this and that." Nothing is certain except for the removal of the Shredder and Replicant. |
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| bittman Australia. May 28 2012 21:28. Posts 7258 | Profile # |
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 SpecFire United States. May 28 2012 21:29. Posts 1681 | Profile # |
| I don't like Puzzle's position. |
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| -Celestial- United Kingdom. May 28 2012 21:29. Posts 789 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 21:21 acejem wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:17 Kommander wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf
Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. )
I still believe mech is the answer. Thors/siege tanks plus hellions to harass probe lines. Now if only Blizz made tanks more like their BW counterparts....
Another protoss playing saying terran should go mech... no just no... Tanks that are garbage compared to their BW counterparts and the absence of spider mines means mech is pretty much unviable as a standard composition. Sure, throw in a mech game to catch ur opponet off guard, but if it ever became standard, protoss will know that the lack of spider mines means that they can just either use blink stalkers and/or warp prisms to abuse mobility like hell whilst mass expanding (placing 2 cannons per base to prevent BFH hellions) and terran cant do shit. MMMVG is the only answer till HoTs till shredders come out and give back terran "spider mines" like board control.
Honestly I think a lot could be fixed by buffing tanks a little. The biggest issue seems to be that Zealots just get in amongst tanks way too easily with Terran not able to do much about it. |
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| Ktk Korea (South). May 28 2012 21:29. Posts 708 | Profile Blog # |
On May 28 2012 21:25 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:22 IshinShishi wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:20 Lightspeaker wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:17 IshinShishi wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:14 Lightspeaker wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf
Seriously...a whine balance? After the Terran clumped his Vikings directly over Archons and Stalkers and then got himself jammed into a choke point against mass colossi? He got outplayed and out-controllled. Simple as that.
I fail to see what control Puzzle showed there, and what was Sting supposed to do, my friend?You can't really expect him to kite with his bio and kite with the vikings at the same time compared to what puzzle had to do, right? 
His control was better than Sting's because he didn't have his Colossi standing on top of the Marines and didn't have his Archons at the back; which is basically the Protoss equivalent of what Sting was doing. And what was Sting supposed to do? Well not derping his entire Viking force directly over Archons, attack from the side or something, and not standing in a choke point would be a good start. I'm pretty sure even I could manage that and I'm a Gold scrub.
Kid trying to judge a pro terran play out of gold league playing protoss, skipping that.
I have eyes, kid. And a working brain. If sitting Vikings on top of Archons is seriously "pro terran play" nowadays then no wonder people keep dying to Protoss. Here's a tip: don't do it and you won't lose them all instantly.
If you have a working brain you should be able to understand. It's the GSL and he has 3 games on the stage, his nice showings are online, he's still KR masters and you're not, etc. etc.
T had to in a split second determine whether he wanted to 1) focus fire colossi and die or 2) spread vikings and die, since T was so far behind anyways.
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| Femari United States. May 28 2012 21:29. Posts 2836 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 21:27 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:25 Adreme wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:24 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:22 blacksheepwall wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:19 Fragile51 wrote:
I hope Thors get changed so that they either: Have less energy or have no energy whatsoever. They shouldn't be this useless.
HotS is supposed to make the Thor a Hero unit (a la Mothership) and replace it with the more Goliath-like Warhound. Hopefully Thors stay alive though. And I think the games earlier today made a pretty solid argument for keeping the Carrier around too.
But who really knows what they've done with HOTS. It's been so long since Blizzcon.
That article mostly says "we're thinking about this and that." Nothing is certain except for the removal of the Shredder and Replicant.
Still hoping for them to remove the idea of burrow move banelings.
That unit does not need a buff. |
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| Hassybaby United Kingdom. May 28 2012 21:30. Posts 8392 | Profile Blog # |
On May 28 2012 21:26 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:22 Hassybaby wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:21 phoenixfeather95 wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:20 Hassybaby wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:19 graNite wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:15 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:13 graNite wrote:
no answer to colossi= lose...
why is there no terran unit that protoss has to have an answer, too?
When he attacked he had a lot of vikings. But the needed target firing results in clumping and that means archon splash owns.
that is not the answer to my question. read it again.
Battlecruisers
HT>BC
.... "oh no the feedback is doing some damage....oh wait I have 550hp...I don't care"
As much as I like and think they are BCs are underrated... saying feedback isn't effective against BCs..?
Did you watch he finals? Or were you looking away when MVP's 6 BC's rolled an entire Toss army when they were feedbacked and stormed, and there were a lot of stalkers? |
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| BlindKill Australia. May 28 2012 21:30. Posts 1179 | Profile # | |
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| Zeroxk Norway. May 28 2012 21:30. Posts 1167 | Profile # | |
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| KristofferAG Norway. May 28 2012 21:31. Posts 9806 | Profile Blog # |
| With that Colo out Puzzle should hold. |
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| HeroMystic United States. May 28 2012 21:31. Posts 894 | Profile # |
First time seeing this map.
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| bittman Australia. May 28 2012 21:32. Posts 7258 | Profile # |
On May 28 2012 21:29 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 21:21 acejem wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:17 Kommander wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:15 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
On May 28 2012 21:13 Azzur wrote:
The terrans need a new way of revitalising the matchup
Standard MMMVG no longer seems to be able to matchup against the protoss standard
Or maybe practice like crazy and hope for a protoss nerf
Yea - this has been a long time coming. Terrans have been lazy in not working out more viable strats/builds/styles. MMMVG is reactive - and most terrans don't scout enough to react correctly to build the right army composition to counter a protoss tech-switch (which Toss is able to do instantaneously once they set up their 3/4 bases + double robo etc. )
I still believe mech is the answer. Thors/siege tanks plus hellions to harass probe lines. Now if only Blizz made tanks more like their BW counterparts....
Another protoss playing saying terran should go mech... no just no... Tanks that are garbage compared to their BW counterparts and the absence of spider mines means mech is pretty much unviable as a standard composition. Sure, throw in a mech game to catch ur opponet off guard, but if it ever became standard, protoss will know that the lack of spider mines means that they can just either use blink stalkers and/or warp prisms to abuse mobility like hell whilst mass expanding (placing 2 cannons per base to prevent BFH hellions) and terran cant do shit. MMMVG is the only answer till HoTs till shredders come out and give back terran "spider mines" like board control.
Honestly I think a lot could be fixed by buffing tanks a little. The biggest issue seems to be that Zealots just get in amongst tanks way too easily with Terran not able to do much about it.
Sure, if 'mech' means only making tanks. Zealots aren't the issue with mech at all.
As mentioned in the quoted post, the mobility of terran mech is the major issue. Requires fantastic placement of sensor towers and smart reactions to an army that tries to go around yours. It's thus very map specific, but it definitely can work.
Not sure about at the GSL level. Seems to work well in Masters level from the guides I've seen though. |
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| Serinox Germany. May 28 2012 21:32. Posts 3196 | Profile # |
| That last fight was bad for Seal after all. |
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| Roxor9999 Netherlands. May 28 2012 21:32. Posts 725 | Profile # |
| These spawn positions look bad why isn't this forced cross like all the other rotational symmetric maps. |
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| aznball123 May 28 2012 21:32. Posts 2720 | Profile # |
| Yes!! Now mass up and finish him! |
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| Tobblish Sweden. May 28 2012 21:32. Posts 3333 | Profile # |
| I don't like this map at all, going to be hell for protoss to defend attacks like Seal is doing. |
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| SpecFire United States. May 28 2012 21:33. Posts 1681 | Profile # |
| Jesus, I do NOT like that 3rd base. What the fuck why is the ramp so big |
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