[Interview] KTF Coach Jung Soo Yeong - Page 7

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On May 29 2012 15:40 TrainSamurai wrote:


I'm not so sure about baseball bats but the general idea is that your parents believe that in some situations behaving a certain way is optimal so they discipline you hoping you would realise that or intimidate you into doing things a certain way until you know better. If you were some random kid they wouldn't care.

It seems to have worked in many cases(much more widespread than what westerners believe). I've never actually heard anyone resent thier parents as a result of this and act in a rebellious like american kids on TV (just an observation). Most just... knew better when they got older.

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On May 29 2012 18:36 shadymmj wrote:
this guy knows what he is talking about so it should be spotlighted

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On May 29 2012 18:57 Caihead wrote:


Don't pretend corporal punishment never existed in any country, it's as relevant as how strict the environment is, in army training regardless of age range / area it's a virtual necessity. S.Korea and other asian countries have gotten way better at it in recent years. And the cause is very strict and competitive social life, not cultural bias FOR corporal punishment.

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On May 29 2012 19:19 TrainSamurai wrote:


Where the hell did I say any of that. I never said it didn't happen elsewhere but in the modern day environment it happens a hell of a lot more often and in more places than a westerner thinks. I did not compare it to anything else. When I said they "knew better" I meant they understood why they got whacked as a kid and didn't hold a grudge against thier parents like every other freakin asian in the history of mankind. Ribbon asked a question and I told him the reasoning behind why it is a tradition.... or the so often claimed reason anyway.

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On May 29 2012 22:08 Gebus wrote:
Jung Soo-yeong is a closed minded old fool who doesn't believe in change.

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On May 29 2012 22:50 bubblegumbo wrote:
What an old school baller, I agree with him that SC2 isn't as great to watch but not for the same reasons. He criticizes SC2 for not being casual friendly to watch because it's harder to understand? On the contrary SC2 is too easy to watch with too many types of non-micro intensive army balls attacking into each other.

There is no mutalisk micro, no shuttle reaver micro, etc for example. Sc2's units are just terribly boring and games are getting bland to watch especially due to the numerous amount of tournaments/streams out there. Compare this to BW where we know it takes tremendous skill already to overcome the crappy UI to micro and macro well, in addition to seeing great units being used intelligently that don't have their equivalent in SC2(spider mines is the biggest missing piece in my opinion, the lack of viable mech play), BW is actually more complex while SC2 is more straightforward to watch.

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On May 29 2012 23:32 stevewch wrote:
what's the problem if people want to stay with the better one?
a change is always welcome, but it has to be a change to better, not a change to worse.

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On May 29 2012 10:05 altered wrote:
IMO the one thing that made BW so amazing is the evolution it went trough. From Boxer to Flash there happened so much to the way BW is played. I remember when i first started regurarly watching pro BW (around 2007) one of the thoughts that really amazed me was: "wow, they are still playing BW and they have gotten that good". Another highlight as a casual BW player and regular BW spectator was when the Fantasy build got popular. The fact that after so many years and already established meta/standard game someone came up with such a fresh and exciting startegy (that worked) just reinforced my love for BW even more.
Now im not saying SC2 couldnt have such a evolution and become as great as BW too. The problem i have with SC2 is that i get the feeling that Blizzard has a idea of how SC2 should be played and they are patching according to it. So pros dont have that possibility to discover something new because if they did it would get patched.
One thing in this interview really hit the spot for me and that was when he said that BW was made by a foreign company (Blizzard ofc) but that the e-sport was created by us (South Koreans).
Players like Boxer, Oov, Savior, Bisu, Fantasy, Flash and many more have made BW so awesome because they reached skill levels that werent imaginable before or because they found ways to play that werent predicted by Blizzard.
Just imagine Blizzard would have controlled the way BW had to be played like they do with SC2, all the above mentioned players would be faceless.
I followed SC2 with passion in its first year or so and i remember there was a patch where Blizz nerfed thors and defended their decision with the argument that they dont want thors to be a massable unit. That was a huge turn off to me because suddendly i got the feeling that Blizz made the game for themselves and not for the community and esports.
This are reasons why i as a spectator cant really be passionate about SC2 for the pros and teams there is ofcourse also that element of uncertainty that comes with SC2 being released in episodes and being patched all the time. Would you want to make the very risky decision to give up school to become a pro in a game that will change totally in 2 years?
Another statement was "SC2 is not fun to watch". While i agree with posters before me who said that this is a subjective statement, there is still a little truth in it. Blizzard somehow got the idea that for a game to become a esport it needs to get rid of all randomness. This may be true to a certain degree (especially from the perspective of a skilled pro player) but from a spectators point of view this is false. Just think about reavers, that moment when the scarab starts to fly towards a clump of workers. There is so much tension in this moment when you dont know if it will do damage or not and its a important reason why people are excited about BW. In SC2 such moments dont really exist.
Its not a coincidence that football wich has a lot of randomness has much more viewers than chess. For outsiders (people who dont play the sport themselves) these random moments are what make them excited about the sport. When a underdog wins against Barca, during the penalty shootouts or when a ball touches the net in tennis and you dont know on wich side it lands these are the moments that let emotions come up and its what the casual viewers like the most.

Edit:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont hate SC2 or find it totally boring (i still love to watch MLG for example). But i kinda feel its still in beta and will be until legacy of the void is out.

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On May 29 2012 23:41 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
it's wrong to say that sc2 isn't fun to watch. TvT and TvZ are kool enuff.

it's even more wrong (if not completely ridiculous) to say that BW isn't endlessly funnier and better to watch than sc2. great words coach.

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