| trinxified Canada. May 29 2012 03:46. Posts 2585 | Profile # |
Pretty much no matter what difficulty you're in and Act, except Inferno Act 4, the item drops are almost never enough to beat the current Act you're in and force you to gear up through the Auction House (where people are selling their older items attained from a later Act/difficulty than what you're playing).
Is this intended? It's quite noticeable during end of Nightmare and so on... Maybe it's designed to be like that for RMAH as well?Last edit: 2012-05-29 04:18:10 |
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| Marradron Netherlands. May 29 2012 04:00. Posts 1548 | Profile Blog # |
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.Last edit: 2012-05-29 04:01:00 |
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| sob3k United States. May 29 2012 04:02. Posts 4660 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 04:00 Marradron wrote:
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.
Inferno A2 =/= the game |
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| Krowser Canada. May 29 2012 04:02. Posts 787 | Profile # |
| It's a build thing. I'm finishing up Hell with an armor suit I found at the beginning of Nightmare and it's not too bad. |
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| trinxified Canada. May 29 2012 04:04. Posts 2585 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 04:00 Marradron wrote:
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.
Oh wow... never heard of that before. Either you're very lucky with the drops, or I'm just a bad player. I say this because I'm geared using the AH, but while looking at the drops I got, I tried them on and just simply died...
Does it have to do with Magic Find? Does it boost your chances to get drops or the quality of the drops? Same question for Barbarian's shout ability that gives that extra 15% on drops...Last edit: 2012-05-29 04:06:40 |
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| rustypipe Canada. May 29 2012 04:06. Posts 188 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 04:00 Marradron wrote:
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.
Yeah its Inferno Act 2 + that is the problem, which only 2 classes that can somewhat get by with kiting / range, however the melee classes are screwed till they gear right up. However with that said even with the ranged classes I find the same thing as the orignal poster mentioned. Lets say you are in Act 1 Inferno and lvl 50-53, most of the items/blues/rares you are finding are lvl 45-46 if your lucky, every now and then you maaaaaay find a lvl 50 but most of the times its crap. It seems the gear that drops is usally a few lvls lower then your current level with the odd exception. Now this isn't a huge problem for the most part except when it comes to your weapon. You seem to hit a DPS / Armor wall in Act 2 inferno where you are usally hard pressed to get a decent DPS weapon or a few decent pieces of armor to get you past that wall.
Since i'm a DH i don't have to worry about the armor as much as i'm mostly a glass cannon anyhow and if stuff is hitting me in the first place i'm doing something wrong, but the weapon has been my biggest problem. Sometimes i'd go 4-6 levels without finding anything even remotely decent leaving my DPS heavily lacking. Now its not undue-able just frustrating.
Everytimew things started getting hairy i'd just spend some of the gold I saved up on a good DPS wep and things shifted pretty quick.
*Tip: Don't waste your money on upgrading your blacksmith past lvl 4-5 till your get some decent pools of gold as I find its just quicker and more dependable to buy what your looking for in the AH as even if you get a decent rare in your blacksmit you usally have to roll 2-4 times before you get the stats your looking for which is a huge gold sink.
Getting back to the orignal poster and to re-cap I have noticed the gear that drops is usally a few levels lower then your current one which makes things a little harder when you get to act2+ in inferno. Not sure if your MF% increases the item level or not. I know it does in Path of Exile... haven't tested this or found an anwser
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| trinxified Canada. May 29 2012 04:09. Posts 2585 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 04:06 rustypipe wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 04:00 Marradron wrote:
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.
Yeah its Inferno Act 2 + that is the problem, which only 2 classes that can somewhat get by with kiting / range, however the melee classes are screwed till they gear right up. However with that said even with the ranged classes I find the same thing as the orignal poster mentioned. Lets say you are in Act 1 Inferno and lvl 50-53, most of the items/blues/rares you are finding are lvl 45-46 if your lucky, every now and then you maaaaaay find a lvl 50 but most of the times its crap. It seems the gear that drops is usally a few lvls lower then your current level with the odd exception. Now this isn't a huge problem for the most part except when it comes to your weapon. You seem to hit a DPS / Armor wall in Act 2 inferno where you are usally hard pressed to get a decent DPS weapon or a few decent pieces of armor to get you past that wall. Since i'm a DH i don't have to worry about the armor as much as i'm mostly a glass cannon anyhow and if stuff is hitting me in the first place i'm doing something wrong, but the weapon has been my biggest problem. Sometimes i'd go 4-6 levels without finding anything even remotely decent leaving my DPS heavily lacking. Now its not undue-able just frustrating. Everytimew things started getting hairy i'd just spend some of the gold I saved up on a good DPS wep and things shifted pretty quick. *Tip: Don't waste your money on upgrading your blacksmith past lvl 4-5 till your get some decent pools of gold as I find its just quicker and more dependable to buy what your looking for in the AH as even if you get a decent rare in your blacksmit you usally have to roll 2-4 times before you get the stats your looking for which is a huge gold sink. Getting back to the orignal poster and to re-cap I have noticed the gear that drops is usally a few levels lower then your current one which makes things a little harder when you get to act2+ in inferno. Not sure if your MF% increases the item level or not. I know it does in Path of Exile... haven't tested this or found an anwser
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| udgnim United States. May 29 2012 04:12. Posts 6450 | Profile Blog # |
I think they scale
it's just you have to do a whole lot of farming and pray to the RnG gods.
a lot easier to just buy from GAH than farming something for a long time |
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| brolaf May 29 2012 04:13. Posts 219 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 03:46 trinxified wrote:
Pretty much no matter what difficulty you're in and Act, except Inferno Act 4, the item drops are almost never enough to beat the Act and force you to gear up through the Auction House (where people are selling their older items attained from a later Act/difficulty than what you're playing).
Is this intended? It's quite noticeable during end of Nightmare and so on... Maybe it's designed to be like that for RMAH as well?
Well WoW has this same thing going. You get higher level items from auction house, which are better gear than youcan get in your area, so its a big boost to performance. IMO its not a problem, and encouraging vibrant trade relations between players is a good ideal |
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| DaCruise Denmark. May 29 2012 04:15. Posts 2014 | Profile # |
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| trinxified Canada. May 29 2012 04:15. Posts 2585 | Profile # |
On May 29 2012 04:12 udgnim wrote:
I think they scale
it's just you have to do a whole lot of farming and pray to the RnG gods.
a lot easier to just buy from GAH than farming something for a long time
Perhaps, but don't you see the items you bought from the AH show up on later difficulties/Acts, and in turn you realize that you'll have to update your gear again? |
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| HigoSeco Chile. May 29 2012 04:17. Posts 191 | Profile # |
| I find it weird that you get destroyed in act 2 quest 1 with the same items you used to breeze through act 1. And inferno is the only difficulty where there's such a jump in dmg dealt by monsters between acts Last edit: 2012-05-29 04:20:27 |
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 UniversalSnip May 29 2012 04:17. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # |
I've had to pick up a weapon once off the auction house because my dps was falling behind the curve. I got it for 1800 gold because I searched for blues and because it was a katana, which I guess most people don't think of as a wizard weapon. It doubled my damage output.
I haven't had to auction any other gear. I'm level 57 in act 3 hell, I picked it up probably less than an hour of play ago.Last edit: 2012-05-29 04:20:47 |
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| PepperoniPiZZa Sierra Leone. May 29 2012 04:20. Posts 1185 | Profile Blog # |
Are there actually people that can beat act 4 inferno without abusing exploits as a wizard? Like, how can you beat rakanoth without using the ancient guardian familiar?
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| Marradron Netherlands. May 29 2012 04:21. Posts 1548 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 04:06 rustypipe wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 04:00 Marradron wrote:
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.
Yeah its Inferno Act 2 + that is the problem, which only 2 classes that can somewhat get by with kiting / range, however the melee classes are screwed till they gear right up. However with that said even with the ranged classes I find the same thing as the orignal poster mentioned. Lets say you are in Act 1 Inferno and lvl 50-53, most of the items/blues/rares you are finding are lvl 45-46 if your lucky, every now and then you maaaaaay find a lvl 50 but most of the times its crap. It seems the gear that drops is usally a few lvls lower then your current level with the odd exception. Now this isn't a huge problem for the most part except when it comes to your weapon. You seem to hit a DPS / Armor wall in Act 2 inferno where you are usally hard pressed to get a decent DPS weapon or a few decent pieces of armor to get you past that wall. Since i'm a DH i don't have to worry about the armor as much as i'm mostly a glass cannon anyhow and if stuff is hitting me in the first place i'm doing something wrong, but the weapon has been my biggest problem. Sometimes i'd go 4-6 levels without finding anything even remotely decent leaving my DPS heavily lacking. Now its not undue-able just frustrating. Everytimew things started getting hairy i'd just spend some of the gold I saved up on a good DPS wep and things shifted pretty quick. *Tip: Don't waste your money on upgrading your blacksmith past lvl 4-5 till your get some decent pools of gold as I find its just quicker and more dependable to buy what your looking for in the AH as even if you get a decent rare in your blacksmit you usally have to roll 2-4 times before you get the stats your looking for which is a huge gold sink. Getting back to the orignal poster and to re-cap I have noticed the gear that drops is usally a few levels lower then your current one which makes things a little harder when you get to act2+ in inferno. Not sure if your MF% increases the item level or not. I know it does in Path of Exile... haven't tested this or found an anwser
What are you talking about lvl 50 in inferno. You can't even start inferno until lvl 60.
I cleared up to hell in 40 hours after release completely solo. Most likely more easy for ranged classes. But with a little farming melee should be able to do it. We're not talking about inferno gearing anyway. Original poster complained about not even having the right gear in nightmare. If you know how to play you should not have any trouble at all untill you hit hell diffeculty.
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| KazeHydra United States. May 29 2012 04:24. Posts 1898 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 04:04 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 04:00 Marradron wrote:
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.
Oh wow... never heard of that before. Either you're very lucky with the drops, or I'm just a bad player. I say this because I'm geared using the AH, but while looking at the drops I got, I tried them on and just simply died... Does it have to do with Magic Find? Does it boost your chances to get drops or the quality of the drops? Same question for Barbarian's shout ability that gives that extra 15% on drops...
From what I understand, one should be able to find the equips necessary to get to at least Act2 Inferno (seems this is where it gets crazy, I wouldn't know) with a little luck. But I didn't use AH except for my weapon and then got massacred at the start of hell because my best equips were all <lvl20 so maybe we're just really unlucky, which for me personally is no surprise lol. |
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 HaXXspetten Sweden. May 29 2012 04:27. Posts 15716 | Profile Blog # |
| Not sure exactly what OP is talking about, I never even looked at the Auction House before Inferno Act II, and the game was ezpz up to that point imo. |
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| Legion710 Canada. May 29 2012 04:29. Posts 422 | Profile # |
Lol, the OP isn't wrong. Anyone implying otherwise is either ignorant or bad. This isn't an opinion, it's a FACT. I play a barb and from hell, I have never found a single piece of gear that was REMOTELY good enough. Everything that drops is a few levels below and downright bad for current content.
Pretty much everyone in Inferno agrees that you need act 3-4 gear to beat act 2, and that's an understatement.I had to buy most if not all my gear on the AH. Maybe this is different for ezpz classes like wizard, but for barb it's pretty damn frustrating.Last edit: 2012-05-29 04:31:02 |
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| Phael United States. May 29 2012 04:31. Posts 250 | Profile # |
How on earth do you expect inferno to be hard if you can find the gear that is good enough to beat it just by going through the content?
If it's possible to do so, wouldn't it be a laughable cake-walk with well-rolled exceptional gear?
The first people who beat inferno had no benefit of AH gear. When I started inferno, the best weapon on the AH was a 540 dps 2hander that cost 5 mil. Now you can get a 1400 weapon for the same value. If you can't proceed in nightmare without AH gear, then you do not know the fundamental basics of your class. Or you could know them and be a bad player, but I don't think there's anyone that bad.
Edit- why do people think they need act4 gear to beat act 2? How did the first people get the act 4 gear in the first place?
Inferno is supposed to be hard. Use strategy, have patience, and you too can beat the acts with level appropriate gear. Just because you want the ezmode path of outgearing the shit out of the game, doesn't mean that you -have- to outgear it. Last edit: 2012-05-29 04:36:11 |
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| Grovbolle Denmark. May 29 2012 04:32. Posts 2585 | Profile Blog # |
On May 29 2012 04:06 rustypipe wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 04:00 Marradron wrote:
That is just wrong. You can easily clear the game with just what drops. Got to inferno act 2 without buying anything of the AH.
Try to revise your strategy/skills. I can't understand what part is troubling you.
Yeah its Inferno Act 2 + that is the problem, which only 2 classes that can somewhat get by with kiting / range, however the melee classes are screwed till they gear right up. However with that said even with the ranged classes I find the same thing as the orignal poster mentioned. Lets say you are in Act 1 Inferno and lvl 50-53, most of the items/blues/rares you are finding are lvl 45-46 if your lucky, every now and then you maaaaaay find a lvl 50 but most of the times its crap. It seems the gear that drops is usally a few lvls lower then your current level with the odd exception. Now this isn't a huge problem for the most part except when it comes to your weapon. You seem to hit a DPS / Armor wall in Act 2 inferno where you are usally hard pressed to get a decent DPS weapon or a few decent pieces of armor to get you past that wall. Since i'm a DH i don't have to worry about the armor as much as i'm mostly a glass cannon anyhow and if stuff is hitting me in the first place i'm doing something wrong, but the weapon has been my biggest problem. Sometimes i'd go 4-6 levels without finding anything even remotely decent leaving my DPS heavily lacking. Now its not undue-able just frustrating. Everytimew things started getting hairy i'd just spend some of the gold I saved up on a good DPS wep and things shifted pretty quick. *Tip: Don't waste your money on upgrading your blacksmith past lvl 4-5 till your get some decent pools of gold as I find its just quicker and more dependable to buy what your looking for in the AH as even if you get a decent rare in your blacksmit you usally have to roll 2-4 times before you get the stats your looking for which is a huge gold sink. Getting back to the orignal poster and to re-cap I have noticed the gear that drops is usally a few levels lower then your current one which makes things a little harder when you get to act2+ in inferno. Not sure if your MF% increases the item level or not. I know it does in Path of Exile... haven't tested this or found an anwser
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