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[GSTL] ZeNEX vs TL Preliminaries Group A Match 2 - Page 120

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 shell   Portugal. May 29 2012 21:23. Posts 1772
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On May 29 2012 21:09 6BiT wrote:

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I gotta say this post got a laugh out of me, because with TaeJa missing ZeNEX has the stronger team (in Korea)


I don't agree with the other guy but i can't agree with you also, how can you say this? and based on what?
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 Harrad   May 29 2012 21:24. Posts 989
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On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:


Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly.


The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc.
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  dragonborn   May 29 2012 21:25. Posts 3757Profile # 

On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:

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uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position.

Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc...

I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL.

Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL.

ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea.

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 Embir   Poland. May 29 2012 21:25. Posts 398
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On May 29 2012 21:18 mcc wrote:

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True, the same is true for Puma. Another unskilled player that will never qualify for code A. Or maybe not qualifying for code A has a lot to do with luck as well as skill.


Well in case of Puma, hypothesis of luck is backed up by his recent achievements. I give you that.
So tell me, what in the last year TLO achieved, what big tournaments he won?
 
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 Badfatpanda   United States. May 29 2012 21:27. Posts 9255
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OH SNAP! Grats to Life! wow, can't wait to see the VODs.
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 opterown  *   Australia. May 29 2012 21:28. Posts 27586
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On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:

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ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea.

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Add life, losira and seal to the list of top ZvTers and ByuL is not even looking like top 10...
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 Korelle   May 29 2012 21:32. Posts 103
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Is Jinro still playing League of Legends with HuK all day because that was just embarrassing.
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  ZeroSC2   Korea (South). May 29 2012 21:32. Posts 668Profile # 

On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:

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ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea.

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awww....just waiting for your tears after TSL lost to fnatic

I know how much u love aLive ever since he left TSL...hrhrhr xD

But TSL should really fear fnatic, they have the perfect answer on their players.

Symbol <<< Oz (Oz 4-2 and 2-0 recently)

Polt <<< aLive (aLive 2-1 @ IPL4)

ByuL can sniper Polt too.


Cant wait for that match.


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 Polygamy   Austria. May 29 2012 21:34. Posts 1003
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 Polygamy   Austria. May 29 2012 21:36. Posts 1003
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On May 29 2012 21:32 Korelle wrote:
Is Jinro still playing League of Legends with HuK all day because that was just embarrassing.

What is embarrassing is people who are not professionals thinking they know what the professionals should and shouldn't do with their spare time.
 
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  ZeroSC2   Korea (South). May 29 2012 21:36. Posts 668Profile # 

On May 29 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:

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Add life, losira and seal to the list of top ZvTers and ByuL is not even looking like top 10...


u have seen too less of ByuL.....
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 GreyKnight   United States. May 29 2012 21:36. Posts 4316
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Hmm didnt realize they're playing all of group A in one week. TL hasn't much time.
 
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 opterown  *   Australia. May 29 2012 21:39. Posts 27586
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On May 29 2012 21:36 ZeroSC2 wrote:

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u have seen too less of ByuL.....


he's played less than ten ZvT... lol



On May 29 2012 21:32 ZeroSC2 wrote:

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awww....just waiting for your tears after TSL lost to fnatic

I know how much u love aLive ever since he left TSL...hrhrhr xD

But TSL should really fear fnatic, they have the perfect answer on their players.

Symbol <<< Oz (Oz 4-2 and 2-0 recently)

Polt <<< aLive (aLive 2-1 @ IPL4)

ByuL can sniper Polt too.


Cant wait for that match.



lol 2-1 is <<< now? hahah
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 Bagration   United States. May 29 2012 21:42. Posts 10780
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Well, that's unfortunate for Liquid. I wonder how it could have gone if Taeja had been fielded though, and not gone to RBL. The All-kill format is very momentum based, and I think Taeja should have been able to beat Life, and thus kill Zenex's momentum.

Hopefully Liquid can also get Ret and Sheth to come in for the next match against NSH. No team can compete effectively in the GSTL if they are missing 3 of their top players.
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 rushian   United Kingdom. May 29 2012 21:44. Posts 568
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I liked Life's play in his game against Hero. Super-greedy, but bearing in mind two things, Hero who isn't known for being aggressive early; and he wouldn't be expecting to win against Hero playing standard on entombed valley anyway. So if he got punished, it was worth a try, but not getting punished gave him that massive economy lead
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 Embir   Poland. May 29 2012 21:46. Posts 398
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On May 29 2012 21:24 Harrad wrote:

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The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc.


I guess you are right, but it raises a question why they even bother?

As of now it all looks like half assed attempt. They hired Koreans, they started team house in Korea, they send their players there. If someone tries that hard, one should commited completely - otherwise it is wasting of opportunities and resources.
 
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  dragonborn   May 29 2012 21:46. Posts 3757Profile # 

On May 29 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:

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he's played less than ten ZvT... lol



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lol 2-1 is <<< now? hahah

Dont feed the troll, optertown.
 
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  ZeroSC2   Korea (South). May 29 2012 21:50. Posts 668Profile # 

On May 29 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:

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he's played less than ten ZvT... lol



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lol 2-1 is <<< now? hahah


you know this ....

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this....kind of....

.....TSL and fnatic rivalry ...+ Show Spoiler +

....and between dragonborn and me...

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Iam just throwing some more gasoline in the fire....because the GSTL will be burning once this epic rivalry unleash on the stage.

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 mcc   Czech Republic. May 29 2012 21:53. Posts 3749
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On May 29 2012 21:20 Fionn wrote:

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Without Taeja, I would say ZeNex are big favorites.

Zenio hasn't been doing the best lately and is hovering around Code A~ish level. Jinro had to take on coaching duties and wasn't at his best. Haypro didn't even try to qualify for Code A, so I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't in the best shape. That leaves you with TLO and Hero. Both are great players, but you can't expect them to carry.

ZeNex just has a ridiculously deep line-up. The team could be considered the best at actually developing talent. Life, Harrier, and Xtreme were all coming off qualifying for Code A and Line just got into Code S. That isn't even mentioning Avenge and a few others who were inches away from qualifying for Code A this season.

ZeNex last season was a bridge between the Old ZeNex of Coca, Byun, Puzzle and the New ZeNex with their new stars. If they can keep Life, Harrier, Xtreme, etc., then they will become one of the best teams in Korea. They're all pretty inexperienced, but if they can get some confidence, don't be shocked if they make a run. Their 2nd place during the KSL wasn't a fluke.

I would not be shocked, they are good.

But I am not convinced as what I saw from Zenex players apart from Life makes them nearly as likely to be all-killed by Hero as Life all-killing TL. My opinion on Zenio would be similar to yours if he did not have the strange ability to win against the odds and even though his play seems "ugly" it is strangely working.
 
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 shadymmj   May 29 2012 21:57. Posts 1305
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its not like TL hasn't been irrelevant in competitive starcraft for ages...
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
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