| Cele Germany. May 30 2012 08:08. Posts 938 | Profile # |
Hey, i guess the topic says it all: I just laddered and my opponent insta left the game, or was dropped.
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I guess he is trying to loose some ladderpoints, but i wonder shouldnt my opponent be demoted once or twice even before he is paired vs a plat player like me?
I hope someone with better understanding of the ladder and mmr mechanics can enlighten me. We were paired as even, if i recall correct.
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| monkybone May 30 2012 08:09. Posts 2877 | Profile # |
| I met that guy today as well. He proxy gated me and won :/ |
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| Arghmyliver United States. May 30 2012 08:10. Posts 663 | Profile Blog # |
Is that German? And congrats on the good luck.
Edit: I see you are from Germany - so I think I've answered my own question.Last edit: 2012-05-30 08:10:46 |
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| phodacbiet United States. May 30 2012 08:13. Posts 935 | Profile # |
he does it so his mmr is bronze and he can beat bronze people to lose bonus pool and remain in gm
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| FT.aCt)Sony United States. May 30 2012 08:17. Posts 645 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 08:13 phodacbiet wrote:
he does it so his mmr is bronze and he can beat bronze people to lose bonus pool and remain in gm
That makes no sense at all. If he drops his mmr to bronze value, and beats bronze players. Then his mmr is going to rise to silver/gold/platinum/diamond/masters/gm in that order.
Hence he will be going back up the mmr chain which in turn may not return him to GM. |
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| BeeNu May 30 2012 08:19. Posts 615 | Profile # |
| The way I understand it, when you are quickly gaining or losing points the ladder system will pit you against different leagues of players for a while till it sees what league you "settle" in, then it will promote or demote you accordingly, it doesn't just go up or down a single rank every time, that's not how it seems to work at all. Last edit: 2012-05-30 08:19:56 |
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| Cele Germany. May 30 2012 08:20. Posts 938 | Profile # |
but actually, why doesnt he get demoted by the system?
yeah im german and the screen is from the german version of the game.Last edit: 2012-05-30 08:21:33 |
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| Skytt Scotland. May 30 2012 08:22. Posts 296 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 08:20 Cele wrote:
but actually, why doesnt he get demoted by the system?
yeah im german and the screen is from the german version of the game.
Can't get out of GM without accumulating a fair amount of Bonus Pool, no matter how shit your W/L is. |
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| canucks12 Canada. May 30 2012 08:23. Posts 701 | Profile Blog # |
You don't drop out of GM unless your bonus pool rises too high. If he was in danger of dropping due to being unable to win games, he can lose a bunch of games on purpose and proceed to beat plat-diamond level players and get rid of the bonus pool that way. He doesn't have to beat players of his calibre any more.
Buki did it too:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293637 |
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| ScienceRob United States. May 30 2012 08:24. Posts 350 | Profile # |
| My understanding of GM is that you can't get kicked out of GM unless you let your pool get to 180 or something like that. |
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| Kaitokid Germany. May 30 2012 08:26. Posts 1322 | Profile Blog # |
On May 30 2012 08:19 BeeNu wrote:
The way I understand it, when you are quickly gaining or losing points the ladder system will pit you against different leagues of players for a while till it sees what league you "settle" in, then it will promote or demote you accordingly, it doesn't just go up or down a single rank every time, that's not how it seems to work at all.
if you're gm you literally have to leave hundreds of games in a row until you matchup against someone who is in platinum. I am around top 100-200 masters on EU and I haven't played a diamond player in .. forever even when I was on 20 game loss streaks. |
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| Cele Germany. May 30 2012 08:27. Posts 938 | Profile # |
| wow, i didnt know that, but thx. I wonder if that´s a good thing. I can see people exploiting this during an inactive phase by dropping a ton of games and then just occasionally smashing a plat guy to park their acc in GM. Last edit: 2012-05-30 08:29:54 |
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| Kaitokid Germany. May 30 2012 08:29. Posts 1322 | Profile Blog # |
On May 30 2012 08:27 Cele wrote:
wow, i didnt know thta, but thx. I wonder if that´s a good thing. I can see people exploiting this during an inactive phase by dropping a ton of games and then just occasionally smashing a plat guy to park hiws acc in GM.
yea but everyone knows what this guy is doing... its not like GM league doesn't mean anything just because a few guys who abuse the system exist. besides that this guy made GM at 1 point so I guess he can't be too bad, I don't mind people doing stuff like that as long its just a minority (probably less than 1-3 people) |
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| Cele Germany. May 30 2012 08:32. Posts 938 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 08:29 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:27 Cele wrote:
wow, i didnt know thta, but thx. I wonder if that´s a good thing. I can see people exploiting this during an inactive phase by dropping a ton of games and then just occasionally smashing a plat guy to park hiws acc in GM.
yea but everyone knows what this guy is doing... its not like GM league doesn't mean anything just because a few guys who abuse the system exist. besides that this guy made GM at 1 point so I guess he can't be too bad, I don't mind people doing stuff like that as long its just a minority (probably less than 1-3 people)
GM league is supposed to represent the currently most skilled players in that region, so i have to contradict you mildly, since such a pratice would lead the idea ad absurdum. On the other hand i don´t wanna blame my opponent here for something i don´t know he has done and i don´t care too much. It´s free ladder points anyway.
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| Kaitokid Germany. May 30 2012 08:34. Posts 1322 | Profile Blog # |
| ..... its obvious that there are players in masters who are better than GM players. I'd say the top 50 of masters on a server constantly have higher MMR than the bottom 100 of GM. |
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| rd United States. May 30 2012 08:42. Posts 2069 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 08:32 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:29 Kaitokid wrote:
On May 30 2012 08:27 Cele wrote:
wow, i didnt know thta, but thx. I wonder if that´s a good thing. I can see people exploiting this during an inactive phase by dropping a ton of games and then just occasionally smashing a plat guy to park hiws acc in GM.
yea but everyone knows what this guy is doing... its not like GM league doesn't mean anything just because a few guys who abuse the system exist. besides that this guy made GM at 1 point so I guess he can't be too bad, I don't mind people doing stuff like that as long its just a minority (probably less than 1-3 people)
GM league is supposed to represent the currently most skilled players in that region, so i have to contradict you mildly, since such a pratice would lead the idea ad absurdum. On the other hand i don´t wanna blame my opponent here for something i don´t know he has done and i don´t care too much. It´s free ladder points anyway.
Incorrect: GM only represents both the most skilled and active players in the region. It's unfortunate he got in when he shouldn't be in GM.
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| Zarahtra Iceland. May 30 2012 08:43. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 08:23 canucks12 wrote:You don't drop out of GM unless your bonus pool rises too high. If he was in danger of dropping due to being unable to win games, he can lose a bunch of games on purpose and proceed to beat plat-diamond level players and get rid of the bonus pool that way. He doesn't have to beat players of his calibre any more. Buki did it too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293637
He'd still be pretty boned for next season, right? Or atleast he'd have to climb back through the high master ranks, or am I missing something?
Dunno, this way of things, just seems kinda silly to me, since if loosing those x amount of games until you are playing far below your skill level, you might aswell just loose a few and play at mid-high master level and win there to keep your BP from going to high... Only benefit of this, is it's probably faster just instant leaving like 50 games and then cheesing a few low leaguers...?
Edit: Ugh after reading that Buki thread, I just don't understand the GM system, it really doesn't make much sense to me. Something that seems like it'd be sooo straight forward to implement with very clear, fair and obvious behavior becomes incredibly complex and some parts seem quite stupid...Last edit: 2012-05-30 08:48:37 |
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| consonance May 30 2012 08:46. Posts 31 | Profile # |
| I find it weird how GM isn't about how high your MMR is. It's about your bonus pool. It should be like all the other leagues too. |
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| KingofGods Canada. May 30 2012 08:50. Posts 347 | Profile # |
| I heard that you can lose bonus pool points if you lose too much. |
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| NrG.NeverExpo Canada. May 30 2012 08:53. Posts 1876 | Profile Blog # |
how many points did you get?  |
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