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| HeeroFX United States. May 30 2012 10:37. Posts 1915 | Profile Blog # |
So I have been back and forth on this game for a while now. Sometimes I like it, the spells are cool, and the boss fights are pretty cool. The story it's interesting, I will say. And I do like how my character works in the story. I enjoy the environments, they don't feel bland. Item hunting is a fun aspect in these types of games. However when it comes down to it the game gets really boring really fast. And personally for me, I feel like there are no people, the current social system is stupid. Yes there are chat rooms, but like in SC 2 it feels empty and unattached. I think SC 2 chat system is actually better than D3 chat system. And while I can group up with real I.D friends, or random folks, it seems pointless to do so. Luckily I have friends to chat with me in vent and online while I am playing.
What D3 should have been like
In all honestly I believe Diablo 3 should have been like WoW. Not the same game but, I think if blizzard is going to make this an online only based game, then I think people should interact with each other in a common place. This could be the cities. Now we don't need thousands of people running around killing everything in the same area, when they leave town it could be instanced into their own thing. WoW actually is a really boring game when you think about it. The game play of WoW is very repetitive. But what keep people playing are the social interactions they have with guild mates. I was very close to many of my guild mates and I was excited to wipe on the lich king for 3 hours, 3 times a week. You are thinking that sounds awful, but then think about this, what made you keep coming back? It's the people you grow to care about. The first time my guild downed the lich king there was so much emotion, vent erupted into cheers, the Guild leader thanked the officers in chat, people who were at each other’s throats for screwing up the last 300 attempts were now praising each other. That emotion is why people play online based games. I haven’t felt that kind of emotion from any boss fight in diablo 3, I am still searching for a satisfying “god of war moment” where I just ripped off medusa’s head before she turned me into stone, while dodging a Minotaur swinging a giant axe. Now I understand Diablo 3 is a different game, it's not a mmo. The point is the game is really not giving that level of emotion. Whether through amazing combat, or just through the social aspect.
What Diablo 3 really is
I like to imagine Diablo 3 like an egg. Think about how many things you could do with an egg? You can take that egg and turn it into waffles, you could make Cheesy Vegetable Pasta and Egg Skillet, and you could make an egg casserole. But what you really do with that egg is you scramble it up and throw some green onion on top. If you don't get the analogy, well Diablo 3 is bland it is boring except for the few specs of green onion. The point is D3 had "LIMITLESS POTENTIAL," like the egg. For the first time this is great but imagine having this meal as your only source of food for three months? Unfortunately that is what Diablo 3 is.
Conclusion(thank you for reading this far if you did!!!!)
To wrap this up I just want to say. Diablo 3 is a quality product. It's not a finished product, but that is the beauty of an online based game the developers can actively address issues (such as not allowing us to play a single player game? Because the servers are down so much) maybe I am putting too much on the game and measuring it up against WoW, which is by far the best MMO out there to this day. But Diablo 3 is trying to be two things, its attempting to be like WoW, but it's trying to live up to Diablo 2. I think the Developers are to blame with not actually defining what Diablo 3 is. I want to be hopeful and say Blizzard will find a way to fix the social issues with Battle.net 2.0. Is it fair for the fans to wait ten years for a game to come out and expect it to be amazing, life changing, and something special that you can say it was more of an experience than a fun time? I personally expect this from Blizzard. While I am usually not the one to say this, and call out companies, however I feel Blizzard owes the fans of their wonderful games something.
Thank you for your time, and I hope my point got across.
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| Brindled United States. May 30 2012 10:56. Posts 275 | Profile Blog # |
MFW
In all honestly I believe Diablo 3 should have been like WoW.
D:
Then I read the rest of it and realized that there was enough substance to make a counter argument. Diablo's common places SHOULD NOT be like WoW's common places. Diablo is an RPG...not an MMO. Mass interaction is not necessary for this game. I log into Diablo 3 to be always doing some action while being able to seamlessly talk with people on my friends list without having to be in the same area of the game. I do not want to be bombarded with the snippets of conversation from random idiots on the internet while I wait around for a queue to pop.
Interaction is not the point to this game. If you feel that the game is bland because of it, your tastes are probably better suited to MMOs like WoW.Last edit: 2012-05-30 10:57:41 |
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 HQuality May 30 2012 11:20. Posts 2679 | Profile # |
I like to imagine Diablo 3 like an egg.
GO FOR A WALK MAN 
well it's quite unfinished product, there's no doubts about it. Someone is really fkin up in blizz state, new coders or new testers, maybe both. |
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| killa_robot Canada. May 30 2012 12:47. Posts 981 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 11:20 HQuality wrote:GO FOR A WALK MAN well it's quite unfinished product, there's no doubts about it. Someone is really fkin up in blizz state, new coders or new testers, maybe both.
In general it's always the fault of the higher-ups due to them making the decisions, not the lower level coders/testers. They have very little say in what actually goes into the final product, and are often given unreasonable deadlines resulting in shotty work. |
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| Tobberoth Sweden. May 30 2012 16:32. Posts 4521 | Profile # |
Diablo 3 should be more like wow in some senses, but definitely not the social aspect, I don't agree at all. Sounds like you're looking for an MMO and is disappointed that Diablo 3 isn't one. A system such as path of exile could have worked (common areas are somewhat social, MMO like), but it doesn't matter much, it doesn't get more social just because there are some other players AFKing in a town.
The point of grouping up with friends is that it's fun (and effective, me and my friends farm act 1 inferno with pure MF gear, still easy as crap and mass amounts of drops). |
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| SirMilford Australia. May 30 2012 16:40. Posts 859 | Profile Blog # |
Honestly I can see where you are coming from, and i will somewhat agree with it. There needs to be something to do with a large group of people but i disagree that it should be more like wow.
Althought i can't exactly put it into words right now the problem with diablo3 is not the social aspects! Honestly if i want to play with mates it takes the exact same amount of time as if i wanted to play by myself. You are not meant to find people in game to become freinds with, you are meant to play with freinds. It is the opposite of wow in these respects. |
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| papaz Sweden. May 30 2012 16:45. Posts 3739 | Profile # |
I totally agree that there should be a common place to hangout. I posted that to the official D3 forums but instead of a discussion only got "go to WoW", "no one wants to chat in ARPGs".
I am new to the ARPG games so I might "not get" the thing with these games but I think there is room for social aspect without interfering with peoples need to be "alone and kill monsters".
Having a town where you can hangout for me has 3 elements which would make the game more fun:
1. You can inspect the gear of other players, show off your own gear. I want to show off/look at others gear. I don't see the point of just collecting loot for the sake of hording. Sorry if that is what Diablo has always been about but this is something I wish would change. I will never pay a single dime in RMAH just so that I can sit on gear I can't show off to anyone.
And the whole banner thing, who cares what banner you have if no one but you can see it?
2. I want to able to just hangout/afk in a town in order to chat. I want to see the other players characters I am chatting with. That gives the feeling that my character is actually alive. It feels like an avatar (like in the movie Avatar).
3. I want to be able to duel with others. It would be cool to be able to challenge others on duel, then we you win it says in the general chat in the town "player X won the duel vs player Y".
The rest of the game can be just as it is. 4 player groups/play alone or whatever. But I don't see the point of just looking at the logging screen or being in Tristam all by myself and lot of no-fun NPC:s. |
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| Grovbolle Denmark. May 30 2012 16:48. Posts 2585 | Profile Blog # |
No.
If you want to chat with people you have met online, why don't you, I don't know, GO PLAY A MMO.
Diablo 3 is a Hack'N'Slash game. Play with people you know, if you wan't to meet new people, then do so, OFFLINE OR IN AN MMO.
WoW has the social aspect because large parts of the game depends on it (hard to raid a 10 man dungeon alone).
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| centinel4 Austria. May 30 2012 16:53. Posts 50 | Profile # |
| OP, I think the Diablo franchise is older than you are... that is why u dont know what Diablo is all about. I might be mistaken, but I dont think I am. |
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| Battleaxe United States. May 30 2012 16:54. Posts 746 | Profile Blog # |
Dude, why would you put god of war spoilers without a warning first!?
GAWD
I don't disagree with the point I think you're trying to make, but don't agree with your execution. One of the reasons many people enjoyed Diablo 2 along with War 3 and SC is battle.net. You've seen the threads about chat channels, but for a game like Diablo I think it would definitely benefit. I haven't attempted to join one of the default channels, but even if I did I don't think anyone would even be there, and it would probably be limited to 100 people anyway.
I think custom chat channels like you can do with WoW (since the chat seems built similarly stylisticly) would work in allowing more socialization without making changes to the game itself.
edit: And no, this does not mean general chat and all that bullshit. It mean I can type "/join swordsandshit" which will create or join a chat channel, and anyone else typing the same will join the channel so we can all chat.
In either case, if enough people start rallying for more socialization I'm sure can Blizzard can figure something out and satisfy a good portion of the people.
edit 2: To the OP, Path of Exile has EXACTLY the mechanic you described. The main story hub for each act has many players, where you can inspect/trade/etc, while all other areas are instanced. With that said, maybe you want to give that game a try and see how you like it. What I can tell you in my experience is that nobody cares other people are in town and just run around doing their own thing, myself included.Last edit: 2012-05-30 17:01:43 |
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| Lokian United States. May 30 2012 16:55. Posts 564 | Profile # |
It wouldn't be totally bad if there were lobby maps where skills are disabled. Integrating a social aspect such as a lobby town would make the game more attractive to the casual gamer. Why not?
Chat channels and the such are just another form of social networking, why not put that form into better use? Instead of lobby channels, make lobby maps, with a size limit/private public capabilities. In diablo, you can show off your great gear, which in a way is one of the most attractive aspect of online games. Blizzard could have taken advantage of this but they didn't because if you look at it in more detail, its not actually a good concept.
I like the public matchmaking feel to the game. If you incorporate a lobby map, you'll always find afk users which can make you frustrated and such as well as stress some of blizz's hardware. But in a public matchmaking setting, you will more likely play with people that are active. It's a design decision I really respect from blizzard. Blizzard knows how MMOs work. And they made the right choice with the socialization of this game.Last edit: 2012-05-30 16:58:43 |
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| houseurmusic United States. May 30 2012 16:56. Posts 534 | Profile Blog # |
I feel the OP is missing the point of the style of game Diablo is suppose to be. I don't want 10,000 people running around distracting me when I am trying to play through the story.
Since when did games have to be social in order to become fun anyway? I have been a starcraft player for 15 years now, I can tell you the best part of the game for me is playing it ,not talking to other people.
I think one of the biggest reasons it needed to be an online based game is for the commodities. If items are to have value the need to be distributed from a controlled source. Last edit: 2012-05-30 16:57:48 |
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| HeeroFX United States. May 30 2012 17:03. Posts 1915 | Profile Blog # |
On May 30 2012 16:53 centinel4 wrote:
OP, I think the Diablo franchise is older than you are... that is why u dont know what Diablo is all about. I might be mistaken, but I dont think I am.
played D1 and D2, and they were a lot of fun, but after awhile they got boring to me because of the missing social aspect. All I am saying is why have this online only based game, but have a lack of social interaction? |
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| wintergt Belgium. May 30 2012 17:07. Posts 1235 | Profile # |
| It is not an MMO and this is a good thing, it is simply how diablo always has been. If you want to make new friends, just use the public game system and friendlist the ones you get along with. |
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| bgx Poland. May 30 2012 17:09. Posts 6505 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 16:45 papaz wrote:
I totally agree that there should be a common place to hangout. I posted that to the official D3 forums but instead of a discussion only got "go to WoW", "no one wants to chat in ARPGs".
I am new to the ARPG games so I might "not get" the thing with these games but I think there is room for social aspect without interfering with peoples need to be "alone and kill monsters".
Having a town where you can hangout for me has 3 elements which would make the game more fun:
1. You can inspect the gear of other players, show off your own gear. I want to show off/look at others gear. I don't see the point of just collecting loot for the sake of hording. Sorry if that is what Diablo has always been about but this is something I wish would change. I will never pay a single dime in RMAH just so that I can sit on gear I can't show off to anyone.
And the whole banner thing, who cares what banner you have if no one but you can see it?
2. I want to able to just hangout/afk in a town in order to chat. I want to see the other players characters I am chatting with. That gives the feeling that my character is actually alive. It feels like an avatar (like in the movie Avatar).
3. I want to be able to duel with others. It would be cool to be able to challenge others on duel, then we you win it says in the general chat in the town "player X won the duel vs player Y".
The rest of the game can be just as it is. 4 player groups/play alone or whatever. But I don't see the point of just looking at the logging screen or being in Tristam all by myself and lot of no-fun NPC:s.
Nothing wrong with that, D2 lobby was awesome way of pimping your idle time, in d3/sc2 your idle time is alt-tab. Maybe times have changed a little but in essence its all the same, banners were supposed to be the pimp factor, yet they dont do a shit  D2 lobby with characters and their titles (matriarch, baron etc) and HC characters in fighting position or ghosts of dead players, and everyone like "aaaawwwww" cant be simply remade in that artifical way and total seclusion. That was a seriously bad decision making from blizzard and i guess budget cutting seeing how their service is lacking.
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| BurningSera United Kingdom. May 30 2012 17:12. Posts 5196 | Profile Blog # |
^my head exploded when i read the 'social aspect needed in diablo'. I had 56k dial net back then (when everyone was using ICQ) and I can tell you D2 sucked away so many time of my life and i do not regret it at all. I may talked about the game with some friends irl and thats about it.
looks like it is true that WoW is dying and bliz intend to make D3 a transition for WoW players....... |
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| sekritzzz May 30 2012 17:28. Posts 1256 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 17:12 BurningSera wrote:
^my head exploded when i read the 'social aspect needed in diablo'. I had 56k dial net back then (when everyone was using ICQ) and I can tell you D2 sucked away so many time of my life and i do not regret it at all. I may talked about the game with some friends irl and thats about it.
looks like it is true that WoW is dying and bliz intend to make D3 a transition for WoW players.......
I think titan is the transition thing ur talking about =D |
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| bgx Poland. May 30 2012 17:30. Posts 6505 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 17:12 BurningSera wrote:
^my head exploded when i read the 'social aspect needed in diablo'. I had 56k dial net back then (when everyone was using ICQ) and I can tell you D2 sucked away so many time of my life and i do not regret it at all. I may talked about the game with some friends irl and thats about it.
looks like it is true that WoW is dying and bliz intend to make D3 a transition for WoW players.......
Hey we live in democratic world (most of us), so there were many people who used social aspects of diablo/wow and many people who didnt even use it once, by cutting lobbies and social features you only make 1 group happy and second group unhappy. Its irrelevant if you me or other person used it or not, its the fact that there were MANY people who used it and enjoyed it. Unless you can prove me that this was terrible feature and no one was using it in D2/SC1. This social features were not forceful they even made it later that you had to click "enter channel" to enter it, so lovers of "no socializing" would still be happy while lovers of socializing also. Why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone?
The more options the better but some people try to forcefully tell its other way around -_-Last edit: 2012-05-30 17:31:51 |
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| papaz Sweden. May 30 2012 19:21. Posts 3739 | Profile # |
On May 30 2012 17:28 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 17:12 BurningSera wrote:
^my head exploded when i read the 'social aspect needed in diablo'. I had 56k dial net back then (when everyone was using ICQ) and I can tell you D2 sucked away so many time of my life and i do not regret it at all. I may talked about the game with some friends irl and thats about it.
looks like it is true that WoW is dying and bliz intend to make D3 a transition for WoW players.......
I think titan is the transition thing ur talking about =D
Yeah, was thinking the same.
I don't see any transition from WoW to Diablo 3 since the social aspects of D3 is non-existent.
I'm not saying Blizzard didn't deliver with Diablo 3, I think the game is a lot of fun.
I for one loved the story (well I am new to Diablo franchise so I didn't have any expectations of the story).
But I am one of those players (even in WoW) where I'd do a raid or two, a battleground or two but the best place on WoW world was hanging out just outside of Orgrimmar, dueling and chatting with randoms. Unfortunately due to real-life I don't have time to get gear in WoW to be any good in dueling or anything else for that matter so I turned to Diablo where I knew there would be a RMAH if I don't have time to grind.
But now that I know there is no social aspect of the game (aka hanging out, inspecting others/showing off gear, dueling) I can't find the motivation to play everything over and over again once I have seen the end.
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| HeeroFX United States. May 31 2012 00:47. Posts 1915 | Profile Blog # |
| Diablo 3 is a fun game, but I think I didn't make it clear. The fact that it is an online only game, why does the social system suck? And the epic moment thing, maybe it is just me and getting older, but the game hasn't really seemed epic at all. |
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