| kaisr Canada. May 31 2012 13:41. Posts 691 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 13:11 darthfoley wrote:
accidentally ate it once not knowing what it was. it was fucking terrible.
coincidentally after i learned what it is it's become double terrible
tell me where i can accidently eat foie gras. |
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| sharky246 May 31 2012 13:46. Posts 1010 | Profile Blog # |
| Well there is nothing wrong with killing animals for food, so this shouldn't be an exception. |
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 neversummer United States. May 31 2012 13:47. Posts 156 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 13:41 kaisr wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:11 darthfoley wrote:
accidentally ate it once not knowing what it was. it was fucking terrible.
coincidentally after i learned what it is it's become double terrible
tell me where i can accidently eat foie gras.
Not sure. But I can tell you where to put your smug sense of self-satisfaction. |
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 brokor Greece. May 31 2012 13:51. Posts 220 | Profile # |
in order to have meat for mass consumption, animal cruelty is a given. you cannot have an abundance of meat by raising cattle in a farm. then the price of meat would go through the roof and only few privileged would get to enjoy it.
so those who try to distinguish between animal cruelty and meat eating are kidding themselves.
if we as a society were to ban animal cruelty we would not get to eat meat. period. we need those pig growing factories and chicken prisons or whatever the hippies call them.
i dont condone useless animal cruelty. i have never kicked a dog or throw a cat down a well. i would punch someone who did. but when it is needed to produce food i tolerate and understand it.
stuffing geese is required to produce high quality foie gras. so be it. trying to regulate farmers' activity is preposterous for the goverment, given the state of slaughterhouses. |
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| Whitewing United States. May 31 2012 13:51. Posts 5724 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 06:54 KwarK wrote:
This is a difficult question because there is no consensus on whether humans are morally obligated to provide animals with a basic level of welfare. While I find such treatment abhorrent I am not convinced that I have the right to tell other people what they can and cannot eat, nor how they can treat ducks. Ultimately their rights as humans come before any obligations we have to ducks. Furthermore there is nothing more democratic than a functioning free market, the amount of torture of animals coincides precisely with the demand of people for it. By not buying foie gras you vote with your wallet and less is made. That said, I find nothing wrong with placing social pressure on individuals who buy it to stop, it is at physical intervention that I draw the line.
It has nothing to do with whether we are obligated to provide animals a basic level of welfare or not: the question becomes rather, at what point does our actions which bring harm to animals that would otherwise not be harmed become wrong?
The way you phrase this suggests that we have no need to help animals who would otherwise be harmed if we weren't there, rather than what is actually taking place, humans actively harming animals.
Personally, I take no issue with killing animals for food, but we should at least not torment them and make sure they're relatively free of pain while they are alive before they are slaughtered. This forced feeding is barbaric. |
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| PaRaBoWL United States. May 31 2012 14:01. Posts 73 | Profile # |
| Absoultely not barbaric the feeding takes 10-15 seconds and the ducks or gooses are totally fine during and after the proccess, and we still gonna kill the damn birds for food anyway so we might as well make them as delicious as possible this ban is retarded and people who cry things like oh its barbaric or animal rights will still go to the supermarket and buy meat that was slaughtered with more cruelty and savagery than these ducks or gooses... |
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| Aterons_toss Romania. May 31 2012 14:01. Posts 1229 | Profile Blog # |
Some people really need to learn a lot about force feeding birds and how common it is
You do that kind of stuff when they are sick and won't eat or when they won't eat the right kind of food to stay healthy not to mention that a small farm owner should do this 2-3 weeks before said goose, duck or chicken is killed.
And as someone who has grandparents that own a small farm, i have seen them "force feed" and indeed have "force feed"-ed chickens and turkeys myself and they never seem to dislike it... i know they were pretty "upset" when you tried to look under there wing to see if they had parasites or if you tried to spray something on them.
Hell, with the chickens that they were only going to cut at about 6 to 12 months , we just feed them like this since they were about 3 weeks old and in about 5 weeks they just started eating the same amount of food as there regular amount so you don't have to bother with it anymore, tho i hardly believe keeping them for that long would give a mass production facility the needed efficiency. |
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| forgottendreams United States. May 31 2012 14:09. Posts 1748 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 11:28 plus1elf wrote:
Funnel feeding is actually not painful or harmful to the birds. Anyone concerned needs to watch that Anthony Bourdain thanksgiving special with Queens of the Stone Age where he visits just such a place and shows how humane the whole process is. There is enough horrible factory farms out there to worry about without jumping on this bandwagon.
So because of a 4 minute clip of a very brief visit with one stage of the foie gras process and one vet who addresses the lack of gag reflexes the case is solved...
Besides inflammation from the four sources force feeding induces a higher mortality on average compared to normal feed pens with additional evidence in experiments ducks who were given the choice of force feeding and normal feed almost always moved to the normal feed den. Clearly however, ducks lack a soul, lack ability to feel inflammation and have no qualms with all of it! Last edit: 2012-05-31 14:39:50 |
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| GrapeApe May 31 2012 14:12. Posts 379 | Profile # |
While I don't agree with the ban, I think we for sure need to come up with better ways to treat/raise animals.
On May 31 2012 14:09 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 11:28 plus1elf wrote:
Funnel feeding is actually not painful or harmful to the birds. Anyone concerned needs to watch that Anthony Bourdain thanksgiving special with Queens of the Stone Age where he visits just such a place and shows how humane the whole process is. There is enough horrible factory farms out there to worry about without jumping on this bandwagon.
So because of a 4 minute clip of a very brief visit with one stage of the foie gras process and one vet who addresses the lack of gag reflexes the case is solved... Besides inflammation from the four sources there is about a 15%~ higher mortality on average compared to normal feed pens; with additional evidence in experiments ducks who were given the choice of force feeding and normal feed always moved to the normal feed den in experiments. Clearly however, ducks lack a soul, lack ability to feel inflammation and have no qualms with all of it!
They are just ducks, bro. They can't make chocies with their tiny duck brains!
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| PaRaBoWL United States. May 31 2012 14:30. Posts 73 | Profile # |
| I see too much talk about the rights of our food on here and as a member of team Humans I could care less in what pen the ducks choose to go into theyre on the menu. |
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| Carson Canada. May 31 2012 15:21. Posts 820 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 14:30 PaRaBoWL wrote:
I see too much talk about the rights of our food on here and as a member of team Humans I could care less in what pen the ducks choose to go into theyre on the menu.
The ducks think they have it bad now? Just wait until my new KFD restaurant funding comes through  |
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| Talin Montenegro. May 31 2012 15:33. Posts 8176 | Profile Blog # |
That doesn't sound very healthy for the animals or people who eat their liver. I'm totally fine with getting rid of it.
That said, there are far more concerning/pressing problems with the food industry both when it comes to consumers' health and animal rights. A lot of things need to be banned before anyone deserves a pat on the back for it. |
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| Daikas United States. May 31 2012 15:44. Posts 91 | Profile # |
I watch a lot of cooking shows, and foie gras is used a lot by many great chefs. It's something that I wanted to try, but never had the opportunity. I thought it was just regular duck liver before I read this.
Tough for me to answer if it should be banned, but I'm leaning towards no. The first images definitely seem graphic and startling. However, it doesn't sound as horrible as it seems. Sticking a tube down a duck's throat may be a bit unnatural, but as the videos showed, it seems ducks are basically built to take it without pain (the separate food and air intakes, and swallowing a large fish whole). Yeah, the fattening of the liver would never happen in the wild, but we do all sorts of things like that to make food (such as veal).
What the real problem here is the small cages and letting the animals die to disease. But unfortunately, this exists with a lot of meat products. If the feeding is quick and painless, (with only some mild discomfort) and as long as the animals are treated well and they live happy lives, I don't see a problem with it. The culture is there with foie gras and should be preserved. If bad practices were widespread or if a lot of chefs agreed with banning it, I think I would change my answer to a yes. |
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| SnipedSoul Canada. May 31 2012 16:07. Posts 1691 | Profile # |
| If you view force feeding via a tube in your throat from a human perspective it's pretty terrible. If you think about it from a duck's perspective it's not really bad at all. Ducks don't have teeth so they swallow their food whole. I don't see how a half inch plastic tube can hurt a duck that regularly swallows live, squirming, scaly fish. Have you ever rubbed a fish? They are pretty rough. Last edit: 2012-05-31 16:09:27 |
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| BrosephBrostar United States. May 31 2012 16:10. Posts 436 | Profile Blog # |
| Why do people have more empathy for their food than they do for their fellow humans? |
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| bumatlarge United States. May 31 2012 16:24. Posts 3844 | Profile Blog # |
See, I'm a little confused when people use the word happy in terms of animals. Pleasure and comfort sure, but humans themselves can barely figure out what makes them happy. As someone who cuts up a lot of meat for a living, I can't really feel sympathy for animals, alive or dead. If eating stuffed goose liver makes you "happy" then I don't see why a little thing like animal rights should get in your way. I'm fairly sure it doesn't though, so perhaps we can live without it eventually and please the moral conundrums the human race pushes to be dealt with. I can see why people jump down the throats of people who do this if they do feel sympathy for animals, so they should stop buying it and spread the word, but that's about it.
Maybe one day we'll look back on our meat-eating fancies in disgust, but it's legal and I'm ok with it, so I'm going to enjoy it  |
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| Manimal_pro Romania. May 31 2012 16:27. Posts 981 | Profile # |
| it is proven that by force feedbacking the ducks the liver gets tastier than non force feedbacked ducks.. As long as there is a proven benefic result of doing this i don't think it should be classified as animal cruelty. Animal cruelty is beating a dog for no reason |
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| Nightfall.589 Canada. May 31 2012 16:39. Posts 753 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 16:27 Manimal_pro wrote:
it is proven that by force feedbacking the ducks the liver gets tastier than non force feedbacked ducks.. As long as there is a proven benefic result of doing this i don't think it should be classified as animal cruelty. Animal cruelty is beating a dog for no reason
So, by that same logic, as long as there's some kind of beneficial result (It gets the fear of God into them), I should beat my children.
I mean, child abuse is only when you beat a kid for no reason.
Right?
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| xongnox May 31 2012 16:40. Posts 176 | Profile # |
On May 31 2012 07:07 Nancial wrote:
woooooow seriously ?
eliminate crime and war first, then think of such stupid stuff.
yeah, California trade with countries where children works and who have no basic workers rights, but they seriously take care of the good health of ducks from all over the world.
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| manarchist May 31 2012 16:48. Posts 17 | Profile # |
| First World problems much? |
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