Please attempt to distinguish between a child and a foetus so that both sides of this debate can attempt to communicate in a common language. You may argue that a child and a foetus have the same rights, that both have souls, that the potential of a foetus to become a child makes it have the same value or whatever but please, please understand that they are two different words which refer to two separate and distinct parts of human development. This is not opinion, this is just what the words mean. People who use child when they mean foetus will be moderated for being lazy/stupid.
Simply put prime minister Erdogan considers abortion as "murder" and he is against it and health minister Recep Akdag and other cabinet members will prepare new law about the issue.
We all know this kind of stuff debatable. But the real thing is human rights main minister Ayhan said things like "Even if a women is raped, it should be forbidden to do abortion" and "Women has no right to do it even if the baby has down syndrome or autistic" he goes on saying "Even if a baby is disabled or has permanent disfunction, we have to answer a question that which one is more important? The woman feeling uncomfortable with it or the fetus' life? We think the life is more important"
Personally i don't like the way things are going and i have no idea how a person can be this ignorant especially as a human rights minister. Considering how hard it is to take care of a seriously disabled people or people with brain disfunction, i believe parents should have a right to decide on this stuff because it will effect their entire life completely. Since goverment will not be the one who takes care of these people and their economic help just simply not enough and we all know that kids taken care of goverment are forced to live in really bad conditions.
Edit:Currently abortion is allowed before 10 weeks. There are studies showing that at the end of embrionic stage which is arround 8 weeks fetus develop a central nervous system which would make it feel some sort of "pain" or recieve stimulants from outside. The thing is goverment does not feel secure with this and because it's really early they want to abandon this process completely claiming to considering other philosophical reasons too.
Turkey’s Cabinet will debate a Health Ministry report on abortion that may include a ban, less than a week after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan likened the procedure to murder.
Women’s rights are unrelated to abortion and Turkey must prevent its use as a means of birth control, Health Minister Recep Akdag told reporters in the Ankara parliament today. “The thought that a live being is destroyed has been completely missing from all the commentary” by opponents of a ban, said Akdag, adding that health reasons will be excluded from the government’s abortion discussions.
Erdogan sparked the row last week when he told the women’s arm of the governing Justice and Development Party that abortion is murder and its proponents are trying to cripple Turkey’s economic success by curbing population growth. The premier said today that Turkey is seeking to follow in the steps of anti- abortion movements in the U.S. and the West.
“There’s no difference between killing a fetus in the mother’s womb and killing someone after birth,” he said at a hospital opening in Istanbul. “This cannot be allowed.”
Erdogan said the government will push through legislation on abortion, without elaborating.
Opposition parties say the prime minister is seeking to divert attention from a debate on the killing of 34 civilians who were misidentified as terrorists in a December airstrike. Erdogan said each abortion is akin to that bombing.
Akdag declined to directly answer questions on whether Turkey would move to ban the procedure. He said the Cabinet will discuss issues such as abortion in the first 10 weeks of pregnancy, when the likelihood of health complications for women is lower.
Some words by George Carlin with comedic touch about this kind of stuff:
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SgtCoDFish United Kingdom. June 01 2012 05:03. Posts 1448
Completely understandable to rule it out though the rape or dis functional thing is very debatable or even if it threatens the woman's life. But I understand wanting to protect life in any form no matter my opinion I hope this is a step in the right direction for a more modernized country for Turkey.
ZasZ. United States. June 01 2012 05:10. Posts 1744
It's ultimately up to Turkey, obviously, but as a pro-choice individual, I've always had respect for all the pro-life viewpoints except the one where even if the woman is raped she cannot choose to abort the pregnancy.
Here we are, with modern technology capable of terminating a pregnancy caused by a criminal act that would saddle the victim with the life-time responsibility of taking care of a child she cannot possibly love, and people want to squash it on the grounds that "all life is sacred." That may be true (I don't think it is, but you can't really argue that point one way or the other without getting into a philosophical debate), but there are definitely circumstances where you should choose to end it.
They could even "cap" a person at X abortions per lifetime, to discourage irresponsibility and using it as an excuse not to properly use birth control. You get your X mistakes/rapes/etc. before you are forced to deal with the fact that you have conceived a human being. Granted, that would lead to people seeking illegal abortions once they've exceeded their limit, but that's no different from outlawing it entirely.
niteReloaded Croatia. June 01 2012 05:12. Posts 4862
Give the child up for adoption if you really don't want it, but give it a chance at life. If we're gonna be technical about it, give it the chance to decide for themselves - if they don't like life, they can take their own life, you don't have to do it for them.
ElizarTringov Bulgaria. June 01 2012 05:12. Posts 186
I think you meant autistic here. Nevertheless, that doesn't make sense. How can you know that a child will be autistic before it is born? I thought it took until a child was at least three years of age to definitively tell.
Personally, I think abortion should be limited, but obviously not at this level. If a woman gets raped or has a fetus with a terrible defect (down syndrome, etc.), she should have a choice to abort the fetus because it could completely change her life (and the man's too, maybe). I would not want a son or daughter that would require a ton of attention for its whole life and would not want to share in its suffering.
Reason United Kingdom. June 01 2012 05:16. Posts 2215
A woman has a right to choose what happens to her body. It's growing inside her, it's changing and limiting her life and imposing on her freedoms, it's up to her. All this does is forces women to get unsafe abortions with no support or aftercare. Abortions have always been a part of society, outlawing it doesn't in any way reduce the demand for abortions, just criminalises women who need support.
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LarJarsE United States. June 01 2012 05:18. Posts 1323
On June 01 2012 05:05 SnipedSoul wrote: The world is moving backwards.
Is abortion supposed to be progress?
Safe, regulated abortion is, yes. Abortion has been around forever and it's not going anywhere because women demand and deserve the right to control their own bodies. It is absolutely progress when old men and religious groups allow women to manage their own reproductive systems without interference. It sounds silly but that's somehow become a battleground for social equality and civil liberties rather than something we simply assume that everyone has a right to.
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meadbert United States. June 01 2012 05:20. Posts 515
I do not understand why women get choices, but men get responsibilities. If a man can be forced to pay child support for 18 years for a child he never intended to have, then I do not see how it any more unreasonable for a woman to finish her nine months of pregnancy and then put the child up for adoption.
A step in the right direction for a more modernised country?
Forcing rape victims to give birth to offspring impregnated by a rapist?
What?
So your saying its ok to slay a defenceless child based on how it was conceived? How about we give the kid a chance to decide if life is more important than who there dad was...
On June 01 2012 05:20 meadbert wrote: I do not understand why women get choices, but men get responsibilities. If a man can be forced to pay child support for 18 years for a child he never intended to have, then I do not see how it any more unreasonable for a woman to finish her nine months of pregnancy and then put the child up for adoption.
What is your point here? If the man is against having to pay child support he should be able to force the woman into adoption?
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KwarK United Kingdom. June 01 2012 05:23. Posts 20501
On June 01 2012 05:20 meadbert wrote: I do not understand why women get choices, but men get responsibilities. If a man can be forced to pay child support for 18 years for a child he never intended to have, then I do not see how it any more unreasonable for a woman to finish her nine months of pregnancy and then put the child up for adoption.
The obligations of a parent to a child are not comparable to the obligations of a woman to a bundle of cells multiplying within her. This is a very bad analogy and you should feel bad for making it.
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